The Permanent Chastity/Denial Matrix

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    You are a genius Tom :)
     
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    I keep trying to convince my wife, but in 30 years, no luck.
     
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    Oh great... Just when I had it figured-out. More math! ;)
     
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    This isn't math. 0 - 10 is just counting on your fingers. ;)
     
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    Here's my attempt to clean up the denial (Y) axis; I've also added a few clarifications to the Chastity/Locked (X) axis:

    Defining the Chastity (X) axis:
    0: Obviously, never locked, perhaps not even owning a device.
    1: Has a device, worn sometimes for play.
    2: Wears the device for extended play (a weekend, a week, maybe) once in a while.
    3: Wears it for extended play fairly frequently
    4: Wears it frequently, maybe several days a week, or maybe a week or two at a time.
    5: Wears it roughly half the time.
    6: Wears it more often than not, with removal and erections 3-4/month.
    7: Wears it pretty much all the time, but unlocked for certain occasions or situations; erections 1-2/month.
    8: Always worn, with infrequent removal for rare (once per month or less) erection
    9: Always worn, with infrequent non-sexual removal (medical, travel, cleaning, etc.)
    10: Always worn, including travel, and their doctor has seen it; essentially permanently installed.


    Defining the Denial (Y) axis (suggested):
    0: Always allowed to have an orgasm, perhaps frequently. Denial isn't even in the vocabulary here.
    1: Almost always will get an orgasm during sex; masturbation not controlled.
    2: Orgasm rarely denied during sex, but masturbation not permitted.
    3: Orgasms are controlled and may not be guaranteed, possibly a reward, but generally granted during sex, which occurs as normal in that couple's relationship; masturbation not permitted.
    4: Orgasms controlled, but once per week during sex (50/year) is considered normal
    5: Orgasms are controlled and not guaranteed; PIV is limited; generally permitted orgasm every 10 days or so (35-40/year).
    6: Orgasms only as she decides is necessary for her, generally 2/month during sex play, ~25/year, may or may not include PIV.
    7: Orgasms 5-12x/year, may or may not include PIV, usually denied.
    8: Rarely allowed orgasm (4 or less/year).
    9: Ejaculation not allowed, although may have ruins and/or anal orgasms.
    10: Orgasms and emissions never allowed.
     
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    perfect symmetry in the X Y Graph :)
     
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    I am 7/7
     
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    Well, the piece doesn't come off for travel, and the doctor has seen it (he wanted to know the brand). I suspect that the only removal would be for a trip to the federal building or the ER.
    I've been locked continuously for 100 days twice (with two different keyholders) , but I'm only about 40 days into my current lockup.
    I think that I'll need to be locked up another 60-90 days before I claim the 10/10 badge.

    Special thanks to the gentlemen at Mr. S Leather for tips and tricks on how to keep clean without removing the piece.
     
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    I like it. A 9/10 for me :)
     
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    Hmmm. Interesting. Here's my case...

    On the Chastity side of things... I am usually assumed to be wearing the device, although it can be removed on my request (she controls the key) for a fairly large number of non-sexual reasons (bike rides, travel, Dr., etc) over the course of a typical week. She is (fortunately) rather fond of PIV, as well, so it gets removed at her whim potentially a few times a week. So, time-wise I'd say ~6, "more often than not", but with more unlocks and erections than would be suggested by that number?

    As far as denial, 2 pretty well describes it... masturbation not allowed, but when I'm unlocked with her pretty much anything goes.

    I find it interesting that most people are reporting rather "symmetric" numbers... greater chastity correlates with greater denial... but I'm curious if it's something that might relate to the interests of this site's population... and other styles of relationships might result in lower reported 'Denial' metrics with high 'Chastity'?

    Just curious.
     
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    I think you've pointed out another potential ambiguity in the 5-6 range of the Chastity (X) axis. I'll think about whether there's a way to refine that area of the axis.

    I think it's probably normal in this population for there to be similarity on both axes, especially in relationships where the goal is to create greater submissiveness, as opposed to those where, for example, the primary purpose of chastity to eliminate masturbation / improve the availability of the penis for her use.
     
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    “5: Wears it roughly half the time.
    6: Wears it more often than not, with removal and erections 3-4/month.
    7: Wears it pretty much all the time, but unlocked for certain occasions or situations; erections 1-2/month.”

    Perhaps 5 doesn’t need to be the midpoint. If you could compress the 1-4 side to make room for more delineation in the 5-7 area, the area around 6 might make more sense.

    1 hour unlocked a day is 95% chastity.

    Four 1 hour unlocked unconstrained erections in a month is 99% chastity.

    One 1 hour unlocked unconstrained erection in a month is 99.9% chastity.

    One 1-hour unlocked unconstrained erection is 99.99% locked.

    And finally. Never unlocked

    Maybe we need a logarithmic scale like for earthquakes.
     
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    Right now I only unlock for bed as I get used to my current device. With the plan I am going with I am allowing myself to tease and play with my cock, but not orgasm.


    I’m not sure how long I will do this for. I’d like to make it to at least March, but my dream goal is all of 2020.
     
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    Lazlo Toth C/D on the TomAllen-Rectrix scale: 9/9

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    I am a 4/9.
     
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    This and Tom's matrix should posted on the front door of The Chastity Mansion.
     
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    I agree. It would be great if it was pinned at the top like the 'loctober' and 'too much fantasy' posts. That would make it much easier to find and give everyone a common terminology to use.
     
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    A visualised version of "members and Tom's matrix" was recently produced in the thread "Our definition of permanent".

    Once we may reach 50 fellows displayed, we may continue with some analysis....

    CM_Caged-denied score_03.jpg
     
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    Lazlo Toth C/D on the TomAllen-Rectrix scale: 9/9

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    Great idea. And it's self evaluated anyways....so people are free to state or not to state. Perhaps it could be part of the official profile?

    At a minimum, I'd encourage as many of us as possible to list because it gives better data.
     
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    Hmm. More guys at an 8 on the Caged axis than I would have thought. But this is new at the moment.

    Good job on doing the work of graphing the members.
     
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    So now we need some sort of verification. Any chastity auditors out there?
     
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    I am at a c3, d1 and very happy. That graph will look very busy with 50 names on it. :)
     
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    Allowed unlocked
    Almost never allowed to orgasm (regular male orgasm)
    I'm in a gay relationship with my master.
    Usually he unlocks me every 2 weeks for shaving and a deep cleaning. Sometimes if I've been good, Master might unlock me to enjoy an erection. But no touch on my sissy penis at all. I haven't had any forms of male orgasm (including the ruined ones) for 8 months I think. And the last time I had a male orgasm was a ruined one by humping on a pillow. Now the only chance I get to release by stimulating my clit is to put a vibrator against the cage, or in very rare occasions I get to vibrate my clit without the cage. I've had prostate orgasms and nipple orgasms mostly as releases if that counts. But stroking and cum like a normal guy? No That was a long time ago. And I don't think I'll ever like it anymore, and my Sir says I should feel ashamed if I've ever felt it again.
     
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    When everybody is in the right upper corner...yes it will become busy...
     
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    Lower left, representing
     
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