The Permanent Chastity/Denial Matrix

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    #76 Mojoman, Jun 15, 2020
    Welcome to the Lower-Left. :)
     
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    #77 Doczilla421, Jun 15, 2020
    C10, D10. My last ruined orgasm was July 31st 2018. I'm never unlocked, and she never teases or allows any kind of pleasure for me. Been locked since Nov 15th 2017.
     
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    #78 subrick, Jun 15, 2020
    This lock-up (Since April 10, 2020) I would categorize it as a C8, D9. Though, I'm not 100% sure that if and when I DO need to go to the doctor's, or DO have to travel, my Loving Wife and KH will let me out, so could be a C9, D9. She has stated that it will be A LONG time before I am released and have any sort of orgasm. She caught me in an "indiscretion" back in early April and after several days of long discussions, this is the agreement we arrived at. She has been my KH before, but this time it has taken an entirely new seriousness & meaning for her and she actually feels that I am doing it for HER, and not me. In other words, SHE is really enjoying it!!!

    So....I'm at C8, D9....until my Goddess decides otherwise. :)

    ~subrick

    P.S. By the way, this is BRILLIANT, and a great way to better define how & what each of us have committed to our lovely KeyHolders!
     
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    #79 Tom Allen, Jun 15, 2020
    I keep trying to tell Mrs Edge how smart I am, but she never seems to take me seriously.
     
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    #80 Kat9s toy, Jun 15, 2020
    Hmm. I based by rating on Tom Allen's list in post #31, which says for the Denial Y Axis:
    However, the more recent list by Rectrix in post #55 says:
    Y9 in this list is more strict. I am no longer allowed ruins & I've never had an anal orgasm. So perhaps I need to update my rating from 8/9 (as I posted in the other thread: Our definition of permanent) to 8/10.

    So, my status is 8/10.

    BTW, good work guys on setting this up. Very interesting!
     
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    #81 ConSUBmation, Jun 16, 2020
    I’m not sure on my X status, maybe an 7.5? I wear every day, currently in my 4th month with no end in sight, however, I’m let out each day for our shower (Mistress likes to see it), wash up, and a short tease of about 60 seconds. I’m not allowed to touch her property anymore, so does a quick wash and I immediately lock back up after the shower.

    For the Y axis, I’m about a 7.5. I’m allowed a release about once per month, but the time is increased every time. So I’ll be around 6 releases per year before long.
     
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    #82 bondinchas, Jun 16, 2020
    With large numbers there'll be no need for names on the chart, the dots could be formatted by size to signify number of people at that data point.

    I'm a C8,D7.
     
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    #83 Slave to Wife, Jun 16, 2020
    I forgot to share my coordinates. I would say I am 6 and 6 right now. But we have a new cage and the numbers will climb, I bet. My wife talks a lot about wanting to get me to full-time but hasn't followed through. This time, she says she isn't doing housework anymore.
     
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    #84 elias, Jun 16, 2020
    OK, update of today, we are at 28 fellows now. It seems there are two sweet spots: 6,6 and 8,7....
    CM_Caged-denied score_04.jpg
     
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    #85 Tom Allen, Jun 16, 2020
    I'm not surprised to see a lot of the regulars in the upper right quadrant; those of us who have been I to this for a while (and who have willing partners) are probably just going to move toward that direction naturally.
     
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    Lazlo Toth C/D on the TomAllen-Rectrix scale: 9/9

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    #86 Lazlo Toth, Jun 16, 2020
    Caged 4, Denied 9.
     
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    #87 elias, Jun 16, 2020
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    Probably, but it also "initially confirms" that there might be a causal link between “stay denied” whilst wearing a cage. As I guess that men should not remain caged particularly, to become significantly denied, currently I am overthinking this. In my situation (so far), my Love "let me wear my cage", so it is not "obligatory". At the same time, I am kept denied quite significantly. Long time I felt uncertain about this, as I thought the cage might be a “key necessity” to remain denied and I was unsecure if our new life will last. Although my cage feels as a “safe house”, staying uncaged and stay denied seems to stimulate my submissive behaviour developments even a bit stronger. Basically, I need to work harder…

    This weekend she told me that I should not dare to ask or cry for an orgasm, as she will not tolerate that. So, my denial score seems to increase, whilst my cage score remains the same or might even tends to a lower score. Therefore, I also look forward to learning from experiences at the left upper part of the graph.
     
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    #88 Eveanne, Jun 16, 2020
    9, 9 here

     
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    #89 Grayfelix, Jun 17, 2020
    This is very interesting. Put me down as 8,8
     
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    #90 elias, Jun 17, 2020
    Update of today...32 fellows listed…. CM_Caged-denied score_05.jpg
     
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    #91 Peter Rabbit, Jun 17, 2020
    Can you post the link to the scale definitions? I think you settled on things in your Wordpress blog post. There’s draft versions in this thread. It might be good to highlight it here.

    My long term average over the past several years has been 6,6.

    Now we’re working towards 7-8 for both chastity and denial. Since this has only been for the last little while, I’ll report 6,6 until I get more chastity and denial time under my belt ;)

    but, given some recent conversations, she envisions us being able to live in the 9,9 space.

    I believe that’s her limit. (We’re not talking about my limits; it’s her limits that matter)

    I know she’s ok with 9 - chastity. She was supportive of me finding doctors and other professionals who I felt comfortable being open with my chastity. She was surprisingly cool about my chastity being exposed by my dermatologist. And she rolls her eyes about my dream about going to a urologist in it.

    And I know she’s ok with 9 - Denial, but not 10.

    She is supportive of keeping me denied even ruined orgasms or milkings. There’s no need to unlock or force me to spill.

    She explicitly told me she is ok with me having accidental spontaneous emissions. Even in public. She’d be embarrassed for me but not upset. This was actually a serious conversation. I was telling her I had been feeling like I was ready to spill out cum in a work meeting last year. She also praised me for having a nocturnal emission, flaccid in my cage. She was thrilled actually, and called me a good boy. She treated it as a sign that I wasn’t playing with myself.

    here’s the definitions I’m reading.

    Chastity:
    6: Wears it more often than not, with frequent removal
    7: Wears it almost all the time, but unlocked for certain occasions or situations.
    8: Always worn, with infrequent removal (medical, travel, etc.)
    9: Always worn, including travel, and their doctor has seen it.
    10: Essentially permanently installed.

    Denial:
    6: Orgasms are usually denied.
    7: Rarely allowed orgasm, although possible ruins/milkings allowed.
    8: Orgasms not allowed, although may have accidental ruins or emissions.
    9: Orgasms not allowed, ruins not allowed, may possibly have accidents.
    10: Orgasms and emissions never allowed

    She’s playfully threatened permanent chastity, but she doesn’t feel it’s right to punish me for nocturnal emissions. She teases me enough in my cage. And she likes to keep me guessing, so permanence doesn’t fit her mood.

    She’d rather leave me with hope to dangle in front of me.
     
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    #92 elias, Jun 17, 2020
    Done Peter...you will be ranked in the tomorrow update. Welcome at 6-6, we are come closer to the 8-7 team...
     
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    #93 masohedo, Jun 17, 2020

    I can only say that I am shocked!
    I know we are all different ,that it is not a competition in any way,but knowing about a 10/10 is remarkable!
     
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    #94 Doczilla421, Jun 17, 2020
    Thanks, I guess. I would rather be a 0/0.
     
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    #95 Tom Allen, Jun 17, 2020
    For clarification, per @Peter Rabbit :

    For you geeks, I’ve defined the two variables as: Caged (i.e., the wearing of a device) and Denied (i.e., the denial of orgasms). The matrix is set with the variables on the Caged scale from Never Caged to Always Caged, and on the Denial scale from Always/Often Allowed Orgasm to Never Allowed Orgasm.

    Defining the Caged (x) axis:
    (There’s going to be some subjectivity to this, which is fine.)

    0: Obviously, never locked, perhaps not even owning a device.
    1: Has a device, worn sometimes for play.
    2: Wears the device for extended play (a weekend, or maybe a week once in a while).
    3: Wears it for extended play, or fairly frequently
    4: Wears it frequently, maybe several days a week, or maybe a week or two at a time.
    5: Wears it roughly half the time.
    6: Wears it more often than not, with frequent removal.
    7: Wears it almost all the time, but unlocked for certain occasions or situations.
    8: Always worn, with infrequent removal (medical, travel, etc.)
    9: Always worn, including travel, and their doctor has seen it.
    10: Essentially permanently installed.

    Defining the Denial (y) axis:
    (Again, assuming that there will be some subjective evaluations)

    0: Always allowed to have an orgasm, perhaps frequently. Denial isn’t even in the vocabulary here.
    1: Almost always will get an orgasm.
    2: Orgasm rarely denied
    3: Usually gets to orgasm, although there might be a surprise ruin in there.
    4: Orgasms may not be guaranteed, or possibly used as a reward.
    5: Orgasms maybe half the time, perhaps ruined.
    6: Orgasms are usually denied.
    7: Rarely allowed orgasm, although possible ruins/milkings allowed.
    8: Orgasms not allowed, although may have accidental ruins or emissions.
    9: Orgasms not allowed, ruins not allowed, may possibly have accidents.
    10: Orgasms and emissions never allowed.

    For example, in my own situation, I’m locked up except for travel, medical, and similar reasons. I remove the device about once a month for a good scrubbing, and it goes back on That puts my Caged score at about 8. Likewise, Mrs Edge no longer allows me to have an orgasm, but once in a while I’ll have an emission of some kind in the cage – and I suspect she intentionally pushes my buttons to trigger them. So, on the Denial score, again, that’s about an 8. This means that when I’m describing how our relationship goes, 8,8 is a good shorthand description in the context of having a discussion about long term or permanent.

    Note that the scale runs from "occasional play" in the lower left corner, and proceeds to more serious, dedicated, or intentional activity in the upper right. The opposite scaling (upper right to lower left) would probably be some of the more unusual instances, and will not be as populated as shown by @elias ' graph.

    Finally, remember that this scale is not intended for competition scoring; rather, it's meant to provide a shorthand way of describing your situation in a way that can be easily understood by others.
     
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    #96 Tom Allen, Jun 17, 2020
    I've been thinking about this, and while I can imagine men in the upper left corner (rarely caged, but denied orgasm), it's hard to imagine the situation of those in the lower right corner (usually caged, rarely denied).
     
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    #97 NZSenator, Jun 18, 2020
    For me, based on the scale in the most recent update (#95 above), I would say I'm a 6 or 7 / 0. Although new to being caged, I am wearing it most of the time, full time Sun - Sat with only release for shaving or sport mid week, but unlocked from Saturday morning - Sunday morning as this is when we normally have sex (and we are both fans of PIV).

    Denial hasn't yet entered into our play, but we are only 3 - 4 weeks into even owning a cage which was entirely my idea, so its not surprising that she isn't saying no yet. I'm hoping she does at some point tease / deny me, but equally, I'm anxious about how I will feel when she does. Cross that bridge I guess....
     
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    #98 Lazlo Toth, Jun 18, 2020
    Tom,

    A superbly written description that ought to be tremendously useful in describing not only where we are as individuals, but where we are as a group. Thank you for taking the time to write it.

    And by the written criteria--which I implore the site owner to establish as 'official' descriptive language for how "chaste" we are--I maintain my self-evaluated "4,9".

    Forgive the hyperbole, but the graph and its description are our kink's "Nobel/Pulitzer" winning moments.

    Laz.
     
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    #99 Tom Allen, Jun 18, 2020
    Gosh, thanks @Lazlo Toth As you may or may not know, I've been into the chastity thing since the early, prehistoric days, when we had to make our own devices from mastodon tusks and pterodactyl wing.

    The point being that I've had a lot of time to think about this as Mrs Edge and I have explored the idea. You know, since I've got nothing else to do with my time now. ;)
     
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    #100 Dr MBogo, Jun 18, 2020
    Fun scale. I think I'm about a 9/8.
     
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