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    It's common to see threads and/or photos and/or videos of guys who say they are in "permanent" chastity, or they are putting super glue in the lock to make it "permanent." It's always fascinated me.

    What exactly does that mean? On a practical basis, no device is absolutely foolproof. Some are considerably harder to escape than others, but it can be done, if the need or desire is there. So is "permanent" really a psychological concept?

    Example: I've been locked more or less 24/7 for over a year, and both my beautiful wife/KH and I love it, and have no intention of ever going back. So am I "permanently" locked? In a sense, yes. Could I get out if I wanted to? Yes, but I don't want to. I don't think I'd ever want to have control of my cock again. I'd say that's what makes it "permanent".

    Some might argue that "permanent" means never removing the device. I guess so, but it's really all about intent, as far as I'm concerned. My KH and I intend for me to be locked as long as we are together. That's "permanent" enough for me.

    What say you?
     
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    That's my situation right now. I think it's "permanent" as in when a window is "permanently nailed shut." Of course it can and will be be opened, but it takes a positive decision and some effort to do so.

    "Sealed" would be a better term, I guess.
     
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    I use the term "perpetual".

    I believe that sealing a device on will end up being unpractical some day. There are situations where it will have to come off, such as a serious injury or medical procedure. The idea is that you wear it with as few breaks as possible.
     
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    I think permanent chastity means different things depending on who you're talking too. I would more or less say I'm in permanent chastity too as we live it 24/7. I too can "escape" if I really wanted to but I don't want to so therefore my permanent chastity is mental. Life feels so much better when I'm chaste and then when I'm allowed out in my Mistress's presence there isn't anything that can make me feel as good as she does. In which case makes me not want to be free.
     
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    That's the sense that I believe most people who aren't making captions on Tumblr mean when they talk about permanent chastity.
     
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    I think permanent is a state of mind. I don’t need to weld my lock shut or use superglue or anything like that. I enjoy being 24/7. I like the way it makes me feel and act. I get more things done around the house and although I’ve always been sensitive to my wife’s needs I think I have an even higher awareness. I actually was just unlocked and unsupervised for 4 or 5 days and I stayed chaste. It felt good not chasing a porn high
     
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    Going back to the original post, I think that if you seal the device on by some means, either external chemicals or welding, etc. that requires a lot of effort to reverse. That means that the device is likely not coming off easily. That seems "permanent" to me.
     
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    I view his chastity as a permanent installment to our dynamic, regardless of how much action the lock sees.
     
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    It's semantics and fantasy. @Alceste has a good distinction that captures @Breathe's point -- many of us are in "perpetual" chastity, it's a forever part of our relationship. "Permanent" with glue and rivets and broken keys is a Tumblr-like shorthand for the fantasy many of us have of the non-removable forever-to-the-grave cage, erotic but not realistic in real life.
     
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    I use a cable security seal through my lock - I have to cut the seal and find the key so basic permanent - the added step helps stay locked
     
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    There are practical limits to permanent chastity. Many fantasize about the device never being removed for the rest of their lives, but this is unlikely to be realistic. The man may never be allowed to cum again, but there is a high likelihood that at some point the device would need to be removed at least for short periods.

    What if you end up needing a surgery? It will have to come off to allow a catheter to be inserted. What if you get some bad chafing or other skin problem? Any sane key holder would allow for some time out to let the skin heal. And many other situations where it would make sense for the device to be removed.
     
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    Its been discussed before but for some these are the same things to others that read more discerningly they each have different meanings and implications.

    Permanently kept in chastity ... they play the game/live the lifestyle for the forsee able future
    Permanently locked .... the device being worn having been made so that it will need tools to remove it
    Permanently denied .... regardless of locked unlocked status no more argasms

    Saying that my denial is Permanent denial in the eyes of My Lady confining in that the absolute does not allow her the freedom to do as she pleases. She likes the long term implications of saying my being kept chastity is permanent my being kept locked is a permanent thing but I am allowed out for whatever reasons she gives, my denial is indefinite in that I may or may not be allowed another orgasm but IF I have already had my last then I will just have to work that out for myself.

    So I constantly do not know when how or even IF which we both find very hot.
     
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    There are a lot of things to respond to here.

    First, definitions. "Permanent" obviously can't mean "indefinite", because... well life. However, it can mean that the device is permanent in the same way, say, a slave collar can be permanent. No keys. Requires time and tools to get out of. Sealed would probably be a more accurate a term, but permanent is what people use.

    Second, practicality. With a good device, it's as practical as 24/7/... wear. I've been sealed in for 60 days now. No sign of developing problems. Since it's a nylon device, in theory I could pass through security screening with it on. I could certainly safely have an MRA scan. There will probably be instances when I have to remove it, but they are a long way off and haven't happened yet. @Minas bitch was even more daring in his titanium device and stayed in 6 months with no issues.

    Finally, the difference between other styles.

    What distinguishes "permanent chastity" is:
    • No emergency key
    • No way out at short notice without destroying the device.
    • A positive decision ahead of time required for presenting without the device.
    The effect is as follows:
    • Release requires more effort for your partner than simply leaving you in: a lot of short term inconvenience, and a medium term change in the relationship. It's therefore not something she's likely to contemplate while chilling out on a work night. This is different from perpetual chastity, which relies on a series of positive decisions to keep you locked.
    • There's no chance of being spontaneously released, since neither of you has a key. Unlike time locked chastity, you'd have to wreck the expensive device to get out, not just a $30 safe.
    • All the little decision points you didn't know you had are eliminated. You can't suddenly wimp out of going to the pub while locked.
    • Your keyholder stops second guessing and feeling responsible, or feeling you're topping from the botton. I'm only now starting to understand the ramifications of this.
     
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    Even the best device is going to have to be removed to check your skin occasionally, or at least should. Yes you can use swabs and jets of water, but leaving things unchecked isn’t very responsible...that is unless you want to wait for there to be a problem and then keep device off until healed.

    The definition of permanent, release, chastity, all vary couple to couple. I might say I got released, and another couple may assume that meant an orgasm. I might say permanent chastity, and another couple may assume I never unlock or orgasm.

    My personal view of permanent is she has permanently taken control. It stays locked for as long as she wants it to...permanently. She may unlock it, she may allow an orgasm, she may not, but that choice is hers permanently.

    As far as permanently giving up all orgasms or being allowed out(minus grooming needs), that is always a gamble when you give up choice...you may not care for the amount you are actually needed. I will say I’m not a fan of knowing. If she decided that I was going to be orgasm free, or remain caged, I wouldn’t want to know that. I would want hope always on the horizon. I think I would be despondent and feel a let down if I knew, kind of like watching a game you know the final score. It might be a great game, but the suspense isn’t there.
     
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    I've not yet found a device that I could wear 24/7 long term, and never take off.

    For us, the chastity device is symbolic. Denial is the fetish more than the actual device is. What is permanent is that my guy bits are not used sexually. My keyholders ideal is a guy who can serve her, and does not consider his own pleasure. When she unlocks me, it's for CBT, and I'm re-locked after she's done. That actually resulted in me having to go unlocked for a day, as there was some skin irritation that the cage was making worse. During those times, I wear a ring behind the glans, and have the same rules as if I was in a cage device. Several things sexually are permanent, but the device is essentially the symbol and constant reminder of that agreement, an esthetic thing she likes, and something to make me feel chaste and prevent touching.

    We consider it permanent chastity, but technically it's more on the permanent denial spectrum.
     
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    Seriously, 99% of the people who say "permanent" are fantasists. There are definitely some on here for whom it is true, but mostly it's wish fulfilment.
     
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    A couple of practical points:
    • Inspections are important. However, it's entirely possible to inspect the penis etc by tugging at the skin and shifting things around without removing the device. This may be different for piercing ones.
    • If a device is good for a couple of months with no emerging issues, then it seems reasonable that it's also good for a couple of seasons, and then a couple of years.
    And an observation: Why everybody is debating so hotly is because there are at least four styles of male chastity:
    • Power Exchange: Chastity as leverage, orgasm as reward.
    • Extreme Flirting: Chastity as vulnerability, orgasm as something to be prayed for (LOL)
    • Role Reversal: Chastity as feminisation, orgasm through pegging etc.
    • Neutering Lite: Chastity as penis decomissioning, orgasm off the cards.
    Though relationships can wander between these styles, or blend them, the logic is quite different for each. For the first two, "permanent" chastity would make little sense.
     
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    So I was thinking of what phrase would be best and I came up with ‘please don’t get your panties in a twist’ but by definition chastity means to refrain, usually from sexual intercourse so permanent chastity would mean permanently refraining from sexual intercourse. All of a sudden the number of members practicing permanent chastity has gone significantly higher. Again,
    just saying:)
     
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    Our style of chastity is not any of those four.
     
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    We're pretty much #4 on that list......
     
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    Well I did say "at least four" styles. The point is that there are some very different approaches to chastity, and the "permanent" concept doesn't fit all of them.
     
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    In reality there’s no such thing as ‘permanent’. Indefinite works much better
     
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    I agree with "indefinite"...When I hear that "click" of the lock, it feels like I'll be locked until my Wife tells me otherwise. And I like that feeling. It might be two days or two weeks. The not knowing part is what messes with my mind. Being only 3 months into this, that's how I feel now, maybe that will change in time...
     
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    The only thing that will change is that it might be two weeks or two months. A wife who masturbates to show you what you can't do has obviously grown into this and isn't going back.
     
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    My wife hasn't released me in 501 says and has no intention of ever releasing me again. That's permanent
     
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