Chastity cages and Christianity

An excerpt from my post about my journey:

"In addition to keeping the husband from giving in to temptation to masturbate & use porn, coupling chastity with regular teasing & periods of orgasm denial will leverage the man’s hormones to give him the desire to know, love and serve his wife unconditionally. This hormonal boost gave me the desire to change my behavior to match the charge that the apostle Paul gave husbands in Ephesians 5 to love their wives sacrificially as Christ did and does the Church. This was profound and incredibly appealing to me!

This concept of sacrificial love completely flips the idea that has been offered for so long that men need sex more than women and the wife should accommodate him." ​

I agree that this is a missing element in our teachings of sex in a Christian marriage. Sheila Wray Gregoire, in her book "The Great Sex Rescue", has gone a long way to challenge many of the Christian teachings about sex in marriage. I think the concept of chastity (physical or not) and male orgasm denial is next and should be discussed & debated in public Christian discourse. There also needs to be more medical research into the benefits / affects of chastity so there can be an evidenced based discussion. The amount of medical data so far is extremely limited.

 

Taoists have been practicing orgasm denial for millenia, long before Christianity existed even as a concept. They call it "contact without leakage".

 

Fully salute your proposal!! Keyholders shall be passed from their mothers to the wives.. naw,naw.. not gfs.. they are not supposed to have sex.. wives shall unlock purely for pro-creation aka making babies.. not for recreation.. world peace is finally dawned upon mankind.. without free willys endangering each other and waging wars..

 

If sex was only for procreation it wouldn't be so goddamn nice.

 

I am also a fan of the Taoist view on male orgasms.

But I am guessing your assertion of "thousands of years, long before Christianity even existed" is just that: an assertion. Can you cite any historically verified texts from "long before Christianity even existed" on taoism? I am not aware of one.

I would like to read it. Again, historically verified.

 

Define "historically verified".

 

That is, something other than the proverbial "The ancient chinese believed that...."

If you are quoting or citing a published work from "thousands of years ago, before Christianity even existed" Please offer some evidence that the citation is recognized by scholars as being from that period.

I will admit, I am calling bullshit on this one. Again, I agree with your assertion about the Taoists and orgasm control. I just don't believe we can provide any evidence that this is the case. Only anecdotal.

Show me where the Taoists professed this and wrote it down prior to the Christian era.

And, you know damn well what is meant by "historically verified" Don't hide behind that.

 

And, by the way, I have been searching for such evidence myself for years. I'd like to show it to my wife so that she has more confidence in the efficacy of ejaculation control. I've never found it.

And it does not exist.

Prove me wrong.

And I am NOT asking for medical proof. Only proof that they made this claim "long before Christianity even existed"

 

What books have you read so far?

 

What else is there? Are you hoping for scientific proof that magical thinking works? All you will ever get is "ancient peoples believed that..." lol.

I asked because I didn't want to waste my time on it for you to refute what I share just because it doesn't fit your narrow requirement.

I guess in that respect I saved myself some time.

I'd suggest you start reading these:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/1570625433/
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/1471136507/

And then you can open a dialogue with the author. I believe he is very approachable.

Also, if you want some fun read about the Yellow Emperor and The Plain Girl, I think you might like it.

It's hardly a secret, and if you didn't find anything to satisfy your lust for "the truth as you know it" then you'll need to invent a time machine and try that way.

Best of luck.

 

One thing for sure, your obfuscation skills are excellent.

So it looks like you are bailing out on your own point.

You made the assertion that the Taoists made this great contribution "long before Christianity even existed". And now pretend that you never intended to claim it was true!

Weak.

 

Thank you for outing yourself, and saving me from wasting my time on you. Sorry for not participating in your crusade, pardon the pun.

I'd also recommend this book, in his main thesis Brian also discusses the start of Christianity and some of the vile ways it rose from being a graveyard cult to something that blinds the modern masses. Maybe we can swap notes after you have enlightened your pretty little head a little.

 

The apostle Paul wrote in his letter to the Galatians:

Galatians 5:13 For you were called to freedom, brothers and sisters; only do not turn your freedom into an opportunity for the flesh, but serve one another through love.

• I never thought I could find freedom from being enslaved to my flesh with a lock and a key!
• I never thought I could learn to sacrificially serve my wife by being imprisoned!

I've found great joy and new purpose in my life as I learn how to live out the guidelines for husbands spelled out in the New Testament aided by a tool that helps me be pure.

 

JaySaysYes - I'd be willing to read the book you recommended if you'll read this one. We can then share our insights with one another via a private conversation.

 

The author is a low-rated straight-to-pdf vanity publisher and not worth the delivery fee.

I'll see if I can find it on piratebay.

Maybe you could summarise. I don't do private messages, here is fine.

 

If God wants to tell me to start or stop doing something, he knows right where I am.

I’m not going to trouble myself with agonizing over whether I’m behaving how he wants or not. The least he could do is say something about it.

 

I think this passage from the Bible recording Jesus's thoughts on adultery is one of the strongest supports for chastity devices found in the Bible:

Matthew 5:27 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery’; 28 but I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29 Now if your right eye is causing you to sin, tear it out and throw it away from you; for it is better for you to lose one of the parts of your body, than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. 30 And if your right hand is causing you to sin, cut it off and throw it away from you; for it is better for you to lose one of the parts of your body, than for your whole body to go into hell.​

Obviously Jesus is speaking figuratively about gouging out and cutting off body parts. But He is suggesting we take serious measures to prevent ourselves from destructive, damaging behaviors. Chastity is a very practical measure to prevent adultery and from pleasuring yourself, and a great tool to help save your sexual energy for your spouse.

 

So, what if it includes D/s wife being the Dominant and Bondage and discipline as in corporal punishment? spankings ect. ???

 

You obviously aren't interested in an intellectually honest discussion by this reply.

I'm quite willing to purchase and read the book you've suggested if you in turn did the same with the book I've offered. However, I'm not comfortable with someone pirating a book for that purpose since it's an obvious violation of property rights.

The book I've recommended is anything but low-rated. It's sold more than 5 million copies worldwide. It has a rating of 4.8 out of 5 on Amazon based on over 8600 ratings; there are very few products that have that high of a rating especially with that many reviews. The author is hardly a hack; he has a masters from Yale and is an award winning former legal editor with the Chicago Tribune.

Since CM is a forum for content related to chastity, a discussion about these two books which don't deal with chastity should be held privately or on another public forum appropriate to the content. I welcome an honest, open, public discussion.

 

I don't think you should allow my decisions to dictate your learning material. That is something a 5yr old might try.




I saved myself some flagellation and I watched his video on YT, and it was full of circular references and nonsense by Christian extremists. If his video was designed to upself his nonsense then it failed. I had more faith in The Secret, and I found Neville Goddard's perspective of the bible more compelling.

 

Late to the game and I didn't read the thread, but here is my view.

I would say it was more likely to talk about masturbation which "deadens" one's desire. As such, if a christian looked at it a device like a chastity belt would actually be seen as a postiive thing.

 

Wtf is this thread? I’m not religious. I’m not a hater on religion. But all this just upsets me.
Is there not a passage you could read about judging others?
My philosophy in life is Karma. Which should work for all religions. If your hurting someone else, than you deserved to be hurt.
If I’m not listening to my KH and I’m forcing chastity upon her. Than that’s not right. If she’s happy and she’s benefits than that’s ok. Why do we need to read passages and verses from times gone by to know that we should just treat others how we would like to be treated? If that’s not good enough for a god than fuck that cunt. He expects too much. No man in the world actually reads instructions. If a god was truly omnipresent and lived this life he’d have known and not written down his thoughts in a bible… an instruction manual for man! He got it wrong.

 

@IB-Chaste - I'm sorry but I'm going to call you out here. You start of by saying you are not a hater on religion, and then you literally come into this thread and piss all over religion. Do you think it would be right for a Christian to come into a cuckold thread or a sissy thread or what have you and then start criticizing and judging the views and beliefs of the people who are communicating on those threads? I haven't seen any activity like that on here. So why do people (and I'm calling out @JaySaysYes here too) think it that it's somehow okay to be a douche when it comes to a thread about religion. This site is amazing for how all walks of life are able to peacefully co-exist and be friendly and there are some really amazing people operating on this site with great insight and opinions about so many different things. But some reason, one or two threads about Christianity on here seems to get certain people's panties all in a wad. If you don't like this topic, then ignore it. That should go without saying for any thread on this site. I'm sure there are plenty of topics that don't strike your fancy that you ignore. But for some reason this one so upsets you that you couldn't help but come in here and take a piss on it.

 

Personal beliefs.. the truth is only revealed once he dies.. in the end all of us could be wrong.
we can argue til the cows come home but there will be no conclusion.. we can only agree to disagree on so many grounds.. even our own subscribed form of beliefs will be slightly distorted to suit our ownselves.. wars have been waged over silly beliefs.. i believe in mutual respect, secular governess, keeping beliefs to our own, dont preach unless solicited. I stay at a place where both race and religion being minority.
Lets preach male chastity instead.

By the way, i was a born again methodist.

 

Because monothestic religion, ESPECIALLY christianity, has murdered millions, hated on women, sexually abused millions of children, sought to eradicate all competitors, enslaved millions, brainwashed millions into thinking a sky daddy watches them masturbate thus resulting in centuries of sexual repression, caused untold suffering, and deserves derision at every opportunity.

Plus it's a fairy tale, and getting offended because someone laughs and pokes fun at your fairy tale is silly.

Linking your fairy tale to your cock is a fantastic way to open yourself for widespread ridicule.

Don't expect tax breaks or special treatment on the internet when you bring up a monstrous idea as christianity.

You could always start your own site, maybe LockedCockChristians.com is available. It might be really popular.