A Female Led political party

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    Maybe some of the men in this thread are being controlled by women in their lives and feel frustrated by it is some way. You would think that being in a position under a women in a leadership role would be a common bond that unites us...
     
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    Maybe not in the world, but in the West, a lot of countries are run by a female prime minister/president, and now there's a trend of systematically having a female minister of defense. Ministers usually masculine are going to women. The central bank in Europe is now run by women, just like the American FED. What I find strange is that despite a lot of female presence in circles of power i hear a lot of demands for more equality and representation as if we were still in 1950 and nothing happened and women were kind of oppressed.
     
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    after the unedifying scenes last night in the UK parliament and the latest saga in the US regarding the president's impeachment, bring on female power, please. Boris Johnson's behaviour last night was an affront to decency. No woman would have spoken like that.
     
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    I didn't watch and have no stakes in UK politics but wasn't this country run by a female prime minsiter for 3 years or did we forget? And forty years ago there was one that was very famous. Both of them have been disappointing to say the least.
     
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    If its 60/40 men/women, thats a lot of progress, but still not equality. And women in the west are still under a lot of oppression.
     
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    Society is oppressive to both men and women, and the oppressors are both men and women too. I don't think having 50/50 quotas in every profession makes sense, if we need to have just as many female CEO as men, then why not have garbage women and female construction workers? There are professions where women are overrepresented like education. That isn't because of oppression, that's because men and women are fundamentally different.
     
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    Garbage collecting and construction are two professions that have a poor quality work environment. If the two were managed more professionally and took the workers health/wellbeing in to consideration, women would be more involved than they are now and the men in the fields would benefit greatly from having them around.
     
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    Well I remember watching some doc about recycling and the boss of the garbage company was a woman. I don't think it made garbage collecting any different.
     
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    metal detectors don't pick up on Stainless Steel devices in my experience and it would not be difficult to wear something like a cock ring or a ferrous dog collar type identity tag on you PA to give hte impression you are locked when not.
     
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    The political system has been created by men over hundreds of years, it's not going to be reformed overnight.

    The 2 female prime ministers have had to work within a framework created by men and dominated by men.
     
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    One women working within an old system isn’t going to fundamentally change things. There are women in congress working on committees to change how we deal with waste in a more environmentally friendly way and how to treat workers with more respect.
     
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    But they didn't change anything that could be regarded as a first step, they governed just like any man would have in her position.

    And men too, so what's the difference?
     
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    The first step is being Prime Minister and encouraging more women to take power. Which is slowly happening. When women are the majority in parliament things will start to change. They can't change while men are the majority.
     
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    You are assuming these women wanted to make things differently but were tied up by a patriarcal system. There's nothing indicating a will to change the system that actually allowed them to become prime minister despite being women in an oppressive patriarcal system. I don't think they care about women in general either, I'm sure they can relate far more to their fellow men from their aristocratic group than to the average woman.
     
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    I grew up with Thatcher and hated the witch to the extent I drank champagne on the day she died. But she would never, ever have behaved like Johnson is now.

    Theresa May is a fundamentally honorable human being who was in an impossible job. Boris Johnson is a fundamentally dishonorable person in an impossible job. I thank you for pointing out the distinction that emphasises my point.
     
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    It seems there is a pre-occupation with Boris Johnson on this thread right now so I will pose the question would there ever be a female Boris Johnson or Donald Trump? It is really difficult to see that as a thing that would ever exist.
     
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    A history of time
    Men have run everything from the beginning until right now.
    Women have run little to nothing for as long as we can remember and now have a few voices in power.
    Men have had all of history to change the world for the better and now it is time to let women have the chance to lead. Give them a chance, not a hard time. Even if women completely took over every facet of society, it still wouldn't make it all even for what they have been through.
     
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    I don't believe women have been these powerless creatures anywhere in history. Women always had power, they just weren't upfront. Disctators and kings had wives who would have sometimes just as much power or more.
     
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    Did they really have power though? Or would they have been killed in a horrible way if they spoke what they really felt? Kings and dictators have had wives that were bad because they needed to find a way to survive. There just are no women who desire to be a dictator. That is a male cornerstone. Mental illness aside, women prefer a circular power structure and not a pyramid
     
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    How did they have power when they couldn't even choose who they were married off to?
     
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    I disagree, women crave power and take it when they can.

    Princes didn't have a choice either.
     
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    Some kings had 100 wives.
     
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    That's a pretty extreme case. Even then, his 100 wives would probably have a more comfortable life than most men of that time. There's only one king for millions of peasants. His lifetsyle isn't representative. Btw, have many wives is a male thing, women who have power would not even want or need a husband.
     
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    A more comfortable life being raped by someone they had no choice in marrying? Yes you're probably right, because most women were raped by someone they had no choice in marrying.
     
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    Arranged marriage can't be equated to rape unless the husband actually rapes her. In most cases it was arranged for both and the woman was happy to leave her family.. It's an ancient custom that has disappeared at least in the West and even in most developping countries. You can't use this argument for saying women are being oppressed in recent history.
     
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