Is there really a device that can't be removed?

There isn't a single device in existence that can't be beaten by someone sufficiently determined to beat it. That, however, is not that helpful of an answer. The best bet short of a full belt might be the Lori 2A /w retainer ring. (Her site is terrible) People on this site have generally had good things to say about it though I haven't checked that thread in a while so things might have changed.

It is worth noting that the retainer ring would not actual prevent someone from pulling out. What it should do is prevent someone from slipping back in which means their keyholder would know that they cheated.

 

Ah, the holy grail. Any device can be removed with machine tools and a little bit of care. Is that what you meant?

 

The general consensus is that all ball-trap devices can be defeated, with the possible exception of the Lori 2A mentioned, but that piercing-based devices cannot be without destroying the device.

 

I will say that I've found it near impossible to get out of my current cage. I've tried hard enough that I'm fairly confident that I could, but only in very, very special circumstances. That being me being not aroused at all, and it being cold in the ambient temperature. Then I've been shrunk enough to maybe pull out.

Outside of that no luck!

Its an Evotion Orion, custom sized.

 

A piercing is safe and effective. It’s decorative too. Why not just get a PA?

I found no device that I could wear safely that I couldn’t get out of. Any anti/pullout device caused skin problems. I bet you can find something where you can get out but not get back in. Some men are fine with that.

I think it’s just some basic property of topology and squishy masses. Maybe we could mathematically prove that without making a hole in the penis, it can’t be trapped inside a volume

 

Some women don't like them and there is the delay between piercing and when it is a smart idea to actually use the piercing to support a device.

 

Despite having interest in the device, I passed on getting one because I started to imagine ways that the device could be beaten which would render it pointless (if I thought it unbeatable, it would have been regardless of whether it actually was), so I can only speak from theory.

Basically, with enough ice, lube, and effort, it is impossible to stop a guy from pulling his penis out the back of anything that isn't a belt or secured by a piercing. Normally, reinserting the penis is roughly the same level of difficulty as pulling it out the back. With the retainer ring, there is the extra step of having to try to squeeze the head of the penis through a smaller, inner ring while not having great access or pulling angles due to the cage. In theory, that is either so difficult or time consuming so that a man cannot accomplish it without his key holder finding out.

So, yes, a guy wearing a Lori 2a could have an unauthorized orgasm, but he shouldn't be able to "get away with it".

If that's a deal breaker, I don't think you'll ever be satisfied because I think every device is beatable if the guy really wants to. In my opinion, 90+% of chastity is mental with the device only serving to make it so difficult to beat it such that his desire to be chaste kicks back in and he comes to his senses.

 

Even with a piercing, lock picking is a thing.

 

Using a vibrator to simulate the penis and have a locked orgasm is more of an issue as the lock picking can be prevented with the use of numbered seals.

 

It depends who it's locked onto. In my case yes.
For someone who was obsessed with removing it, no.

 

A Full Belt will do the Job.
There‘s no way out of my Behind Barz belt.
And I even do not even use the rod between my legs.
Once that thing is properly worn in, or should I better say once you are broken in - You are IN
Don‘t know if one could have an orgasm in it; I can‘t
Growing a little bit, getting thicker...yes, but that‘s it.
And as a nice little extra, does that thing look sexy and good.
My Flower likes me without clothes as often as possible

 

Wouldn't the stocking trick defeat it?

 

Possibly. That was one of the methods I considered.

 

But what's to keep a guy from repairing a broken seal with a bit of glue?

 

The only way as far as I can tell to physically make it so it can’t be removed is the tetherspout, which inserts into penis.

I myself would never use it, and I know my wife wouldn’t want it. An awful lot of energy to just make sure you can’t get out of something you wanted on in the first place.

I did get pierced, but not because I needed to, but because she was very disappointed to find out that I could always pull out the back any time I wanted. If that was the case why wear it at, was her view. We went the next day t get pierced, and after she treated me to a steak at Texas Roadhouse.

 

If the retainer ring is the right size, I doubt that the stocking method would work. It can get you into a tight cage, but the pressure needed to get through the retainer ring would probably pull the stocking off.

 

I think that if a man dose keep trying and getting out of his cage then the Lady will soon get fed up of putting him in it anyways. So he wud be silly to do it.

 

I believe that's quite an oversimplification. Many people have encountered medical problems.

That would be sufficient for most, not just some. In fact, escape without detection is generally sufficient for anyone with a keyholder.

 

The answer is no. There is not even a 100% non-removable device WITH a piercing. I have an Evotion Bijou anchored by a frenum piercing. I could get out without the key, but it would require destroying the device and risking some pain and/or bleeding.

That being said, a piercing-anchored device (frenum or PA) is probably THE most secure option. I like the frenum better, because it doesn't involve the urethra, but I know thats' not an issue for many people who think they are great.

 

Yes, in a non-piercing-anchored device, it could be done. But you have to ask, why would someone go to that much trouble when they (presumably) WANTED to wear a chastity device in the first place?