Online censorship in the uk starting July 15

I'm not sure that's a good analogy. It's the lender that sets the terms, not the borrower. A 'poor' lender that lends their funds away without charging interest may be a great person but maybe not cut out to be a successful banker.

 

The analogy is imperfect, that is true. As you say, with money capital, the lender sets the terms, basically because they suffer a depletion. Arguably no depletion of erotic capital is suffered by the porn star, however (she still is as attractive, sexy etc.), and if this difference “makes the difference” then the consequence is that the porn star should not set the terms (ie the argument that she should be paid is undermined).

However given the social stigma of being in porn, she may well suffer a depletion of erotic capital, in which case by analogy with the reason you bring forward she should be setting the terms, every time, otherwise she is not a successful steward of her own erotic capital-or worse, if she cannot practically set the terms there is a structural injustice working against her in addition to any injustice in the social stigma itself.

 

These are my concerns as well.
I’ve seen too many “oh think about the children” laws that enable government intrusion into the privacy of their own citizens.

I also am concerned about the unintended consequences for amateur porn and freedom of sexual expression. I don’t understand how this new system will work.

How can it effectively block professional porn and not block amateur content, while simultaneously protecting under-18 from all adult content?

I know of a father who installed a monitoring system (from his Internet Service Provider) so he could see what sites his sons were on. He handles this himself. He doesn’t need a blanket government solution.

I would rather not have a government decide what is porn, and what is not. I’ve seen the heavy handed stupidity over at Tumblr scatter and diminish a great community.

 

I'm no prude and I've certainly watched a fair amount of porn in my time but I really don't see an issue with having to prove you are over 18. But Lucy is right when she says this is entirely about reducing the number of kids who are exposed to porn. Some will still find a way around it, but if you make things more difficult even reducing their exposure by a small degree is still better than nothing.

Besides I don't really care what our highly ineffective government knows about me or my viewing habits. In all likelihood google has long since sold that info to them anyway.

 

It wasn’t professional “porn” that got caught up in the ban that I care about. I stopped being a porn consumer over 5 years ago. (I’d purchase it.) it was my choice. I was on tumblr to get away from the industry driven content, with all its tropes.

It was the heavy handed ban that disrupted all sexual expression. Material done by and for Women, gender-fluid, and unique persons was caught up in it. There has been a beautiful blossoming of diversity from non-industry produced sexual imagery and stories.

Instead of going after porn bots, Tumblr did a blanket filter.

Maybe the UK ban will be different... but you’re going to have a national discussion on what constitutes porn. And that drives to normative decisions.

I see people with emotional morally charged reactions here. I’m surprised at how many authoritarians there are on this. For me, I wouldn’t want my government defining what’s acceptable and unacceptable, regardless of my opinion. That’s the unintended consequence.

Here’s an article from Wired
https://www.wired.co.uk/article/porn-block-uk-wired-explains

 

I do agree with this. With time going forward it is getting harder to avoid adult and nsfw content. Aditional problem is that many parents are not tech savy and just throw a tablet at their kids without further thoughts.

On the original post about the UK porn ban after reading the content of the link I do feel that this is not a good solution.
In my opinion instead of this there should be a higher priority on teaching people, and to not expect the electronic devices to babysit the children.

 

I disagree about Tumblr getting any credit for their actions.

Tumblr did not police itself well at all. It ignored users complaints about porn bots. Users would block them. The company ignored reports of abuse.

With their ham handed execution there still is porn, but they’ve disrupted real people. They’ve accomplished nothing great over at Tumblr.

Article about why Tumblr appealed to women:
https://www.cosmopolitan.com/sex-lo...omething-women-are-obsessed-with-tumblr-porn/

And why “The platform used to be a home for sexual subcultures that don’t always thrive elsewhere”
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/577471/

And that the characterization many of you have about Tumblr is untrue: “
Tumblr has always been unfairly and inaccurately reduced to being a site for porn
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vo...0/tumblr-porn-adult-content-ban-user-backlash

the fact is that the erotic and NSFW imagery on Tumblr includes everything from fanart to sex education and is a vibrant and much-valued part of the community. And while data analysts have uncovered that, yes, there is a lot of porn on Tumblr, it’s coming from only a tiny fraction — about a tenth of 1 percent — of the site’s creators.

And the producers of this pornography are not active members of the Tumblr community. Most of the producers of pornography on Tumblr are pornbots, automated accounts set up to generate NSFW content, much of it designed to lure users to third-party paid content sites.

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I plan end my contributions to this thread now. Thanks for listening.

 

How about just making it illegal for the parents guardians and carers to allow any minors that they are responsible for to access/use the internet. Then if a minor does get to view any porn they will have been doing so illegally and it will be possible to both apportion blame and hold someone to account for allowing such access that is of sufficient age to be prosecuted.

That should be sufficient to keep everyone happy.

And before anyone mentions mobile phones.... nobody makes anyone buy children mobile phones and if you are that irresponsible you not not need to get them one with internet access or a camera. Just phone calls and texts.

 

Porno

Why should anyone care? Pornography is bad for you and disrespectful of women. Is this site not dedicated to respect for women?

 

I gave a reason in an earlier post why people should care, whether or not they agree with your view of porn, namely that the law means that the UK government places more trust in the owners and employees of foreign age verification companies (including Mindgeek, the main porn company) than it does in the adult citizens of the UK who happen to want to watch porn. I would be interested in your view of that.

 

There is no doubt that names of porn viewers will eventually become known.

 

That’s sort of the point. Well one of them

The ‘free’ porn on their sites is often pirated porn taken from smaller producers. The smaller producers can’t afford to create their own systems to verify ages and will be forced to sign up to one of the 4 big ones

My problem with this: Small producers are having to comply to the very companies who are already steeling their product. These small producers might be couples, single women who no one cares about (this we’ve already seen in the thread)

Agree or disagree with porn is a different point. This is about the hypocrisy and allowing the small producers the freedoms to make a living from the job they have chosen.

 

I’m sure they are, but that’s a different point to the one I’m trying to make

 

Precisely. (In fact they shouldn't be watching porn anyway......it is disrespectful to women.)

 

Yes Mistress....you are of course entirely correct as always.

 

Typical male selfishness. (I'm sure I would be the same way without female supervision.)