Covid-19 and Life

Somehow my reply to your scenario description got pasted in the middle of your text. Likely my touch pad was over sensitive.

Here is my reply:

"A most plausible explanation of the last two years Lucy.

What's most interesting, to me, about your description is that you outline what happens in most disasters--like airline crashes--a series of consecutive bad decisions that snow ball into a disaster. Any ONE single decision may not seem so bad. But add them all up.....and boom! The single worst collective mistake in the history of mankind."

 

It is fascinating and terrifying at the same time to witness it all unfold so fast. It does not matter what any of our personal opinions are of lockdowns, mandates, etc. The fact that it has happened is the story. Just two years ago, everybody on all sides of these debates would tell you that it would be to far fetched, never would happen, and that you are being ridiculous for bringing up these as potential scenarios.

 

One thing I have noticed is that all of this chaos has revealed some true personality traits of people, not often for the good.

 

If you've not encountered it then you're definitely one of the lucky ones.

I've had it. It was mostly quite mild for me but I haven't been able to smell anything since January. Whilst the short term symptoms were much like a cold no illness has ever robbed me of one of my senses before.
My mother was on the verge of being hospitalised when she had it and my brother is still suffering the effects of long covid.

The issue isn't really that it'll deadly to a majority. The issue is that it's deadly to enough people to overwhelm healthcare systems if everyone was just allowed to go out and get it.

 

Winston you make an excellent point. I think the "oh my, get the shots" folks are still thinking of this as a pandemic. The "fuck no, I am never submitting to medical tyranny" types have moved well past that.

This is now truly a matter of human sovereignty. It's not a vax vs no vax. It's a matter of can you see the next holocaust coming or can't you?

If it were about your health, the governments wouldn't be actively BANNING actual treatments. It's the jab, or we let you die.

 

Personality traits like celebrating the suffering and deaths of people who don't agree with whatever your position is on vaccines and such is one big one.

 

The vaccine definitely isn't as safe as we are being told. The first step in ending this madness would be to honestly come forth and admit that while giving people the option to decide weather or not to take it or not, to allow them the dignity of weighing the possible proc and cons instead of shaming.

 

What I wonder is, would we have had a better result if we approached contracting covid with the same philosophy as we have done in the past as far as trying to get children infected with chicken pox to build their immunity. Just accept that it is something we all unfortunately need to get in order for global immunity while setting up temporary medical facilities to monitor you when it is your time. Would be over this by now?

 

The reason cases are rising is not because of the un-vaccinated, it's the vaccinated... bear with me on this. As more and more people get vaccinated, they get a sense of invulnerability, so they go out more, gather more, and pay less attention to their surroundings, and since we know that vaccinated people can still GET and still TRANSMIT the disease, they are passing it along to ALL others on an equal footing, but only the un-vaccinated will show strong symptoms, which lead to testing, which leads to increased numbers in who? - the un-vaccinated. It's not rocket science.

Also, the reason for the variants is also the vaccinated, not the un-vaccinated. Why? Simple. As vaccinated people obtain the virus, the virus will "fight for it's life" so to speak and will mutate to get around the vaccine. Then that same vaccinated person can transmit the mutated virus to others. Again, it's not rocket science.

The media like to blame the un-vaccinated for everything, but it only take common sense to understand that this is simply not true.

The bottom line is we will all get it one way or another (either naturally or thru vaccination), and just like the flu, it will never go away.

 

The new rubix cube of covid mandates is the stadium conundrum. To be admitted in many places be it a auditorium or workplace, the options are show proof of vaccination or negative test within a week. So it is okay for a vaccinated person to go inside and transmit covid to the person who has tested negative? If we are going to mandate anything, why not mandate a negative test once a week for everyone and scrap the vaccination requirement.

 

Willie, I think you are correct on this. People make the mistake of thinking that there can be a vaccine for everything. Some disease you just can't. Common cold, flu, AIDS, etc. Same for Covid. Attempts to eradicate such disease only makes it worse.

 

I like your logic here Winston. Although I think mandatory tests are not the right path. Where does THAT intrusion stop? The govt. will abuse that as well. Soon you'll be tested for diseases you MIGHT get someday.....and be prevented from living your life freely. Insurance companies would love this, however. The can avoid insuring people who might get certain diseases.

 

A lot of the testing sites (in our country at least) are big profit makers. Many of them are run by local business owners and not health care professionals either. It is like the new version of buying a car wash because you want to own a business but don't have any specialty skill.

 

This one makes no sense though as it wasn't a natural phenomenon that swept though the world. The whistleblowers coming out of China are saying that it was intentionally released either though bat caves and/or an international military war games that was held in the end of 2019. We still don't know the who and why this all was done.

 

I have never heard a better and more colorful analogy!

 

I have never read such absolute rubbish as that coming from the covid deniers here. I have a considerable background in science and I am amazed at the ignorance shown here. Covid is an extremely serious disease that has already claimed millions of lives and will kill many more yet. The current vaccines are only partially effective. The only way to stop covid is isolation. If everyone actually did that for a few weeks it would be all over. Anyone saying that it is okay for a few people to die either has vested interests or are such selfish divas that can't hack any inconvenience to their indulgent lifestyle, too bad about anyone else. These types of course are always so devastated and demanding of help when they or a close relative or friend gets covid.

 

Your funny

i always love the i am superior and know everything attitude. A considerable background in science means you had a bunson burner,a test tube and a microscope does it.

You seem to miss the fact no one says that Covid doesn’t exist.

What we do say is the attitudes like yours have killed far far more from non Covid issues than ever ever will die of Covid.

And restrictions have changed nothing. Which you will soon find in Australia too.

There was far more intelligence back when the Spanish flu was doing its rounds and even then they talked of restrictions which common sense kicked in and were decided against which proved the right thing to do.

as Lucy clearly says a virus that kills less than .2 % many countries are in dire straits because of idiotic restrictions ,other health issues and economical disaster prevail all because of idiotic restrictions far far more have and will die from not getting treated for other issues

since we all know viruses cannot really be eradicated the only way is to carry on as normal and let it settle and adapt to fit in with our lives. Instead of destroying everyone’s lives