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    Is that really so, if you a let alone , uncaged, for one hour, you will immediately turn into a masturbating bonobo?
     
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    Yes. That would be the fantasy. Yet, we’re in the process of finding what works for her don’t forget… and before we entered these four months she was adamant that she’d want times when I wasn’t caged so that she could enjoy herself too. She needed a little playtime for herself to get her into the zone. She likes penis, can’t argue with that.

    Now, we’re either at a stage where she genuinely likes this way and feels satisfied, or she is moving towards giving me my fantasy because she wants to please me… which ultimately won’t work for her.

    I still have no idea how she intends to manage a release ‘schedule’ or if she’d finding confidence in herself now. I’ve definitely stopped pressuring her for anything more than she wants to give… so that helps. Who knows.

    I could easily masturbate four times a day without issue. A few minutes alone if I’m horny and it’s game time! I don’t think there is any breaking of that habit.
     
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    Sounds intense.
    May I ask, did this affect your relationship or yourself negatively in the past?
     
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    One hand on the mouse, the other...6 hours later, no work done, nothing acheived aside from some swelling, and a pornhub acheivement unlocked.
     
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    There are myriad possible outcomes rather than just those two, and my advice would be to focus all of your energy onto making the one you want happen, because along the way you'll see that in doing so you'll need to make your lovely lady happy too.
     
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    Good advice. I will muse on and overthink this concept for a good few days…

    Indirectly. How is wasting so much time and energy ever a positive in a relationship?
    More directly I know there’s been times where I’ve been longing for the house to be empty just so I could have a proper session. Imagine that, wishing your wife wasn’t around even though you’re in a good mood :confused:
    Plus, it’s really bad for self-esteem.
     
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    It's been two years now but I've seen the "problem" you have with your wife in my wife lately. Twice in the last two months she's wanted me to orgasm before it was time and before it would be good for my attitude and behavior. She enjoys her own orgasms and she enjoys teasing the hell out of me without touching my penis most of the time. But when she wants to really play, she wants the full experience. I think that's a change in her I haven't seen before.

    Early in our journey, she felt guilty not giving me an orgasm when we played. But she loves playing with my other toys (nipples, armpits, etc) and making me very aroused. I last much longer and don't make much of a mess that way. That became comfortable for her. Reading your journey makes me think I need to give her what she wants. Next time she releases me for playtime, I'm going to ask her straight up if she wants to make me explode.
     
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    Has there been a change in your situation, I may have missed it, but I was under the impression that when she unlocks you there’s always an explosion? Or have you incorporated ‘freedom for teasing’ into the mix?


    See, that’s where I was heading… and then Jay got into my head.
    It has me thinking…

    my wife is happier now than we have been for a long time. She is not getting at all what she asked for….’

    My initial conclusion on this was simple, if she was a man I’d just lock her penis away…
    Strangely enough, she’s not, so with that I have many other thoughts:
    Is she happier because I am happy? Do I cater to her needs subconsciously when I’m chaste? Is she more accepting in her needs of a happy life than the desire for intercourse? Has she now found that need met with a strapon? Is the intimacy she feels from my orgasm at the point of intercourse now fulfilled in other events…?

    Lots of thinking, so little to conclude upon!
     
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    87 days to go…

    Hypothetical Happiness

    My wife and I had a good vibe last night and ended up talking about ‘happiness’. We talked a lot more and about other topics but there is something in asking “are you happy?” that is rather noteworthy. As a summary:

    Me: Yeah. I’m absolutely shattered and work is about as stressful as it can be, but I feel much happier within myself right now. Its nice. It makes us good and that affects everyone around us.

    (Ok, I’ll admit I didn’t know the conversation was posed in regards to chastity)

    Her: Isn’t it strange, all those years and relationships and you’ve always been obsessed with sex and it’s never worked out, but now you’re much happier when you have that taken away.

    Me: I know right. Who knew
    .

    I then posed the same question back.

    Her: Yeah, I really want to do something tonight, I’m in the mood for it. My body is wiped out though. I could force it and I’d probably still enjoy it but it’s so much better that we can come to bed and just enjoy each other’s time without that pressure to perform.

    As the evening progressed I took the hint, and instead of massaging her completely I gave her a nice back rub. Honestly, even that is almost too sexual to handle right now, seeing her pert bottom nestled in her pyjamas. It’s warmth caressing my cage. Anyway…

    We ended the evening falling asleep as I spooned her. Bliss right?

    It’s safe to say that we have finally found and agreed that we have contentment in our lives; concerning our sex life for certain. When our sex life is working, so is everything else (and vice versa).

    However…

    4 months is a lot longer than the time we have completed so far; things can change…

    I have seen the ‘reviews’ on the 90 day lock-downs, ultimately the consensus is that it is restrictive and can become monotonous. Ultimately, a lot conclude that it wasn’t a great time (some may disagree), if that is the case for me, that if my experience drops off as time goes on, I wanted to remember this moment: Where it does work. I want to be able to conclude that even if 4 months is too long, I have found the ideal for our personal chastity life.


    So here’s my hypothetical formula for chastity to work if freedom was available at this point:

    Lock-up times: 6 weeks
    Right now I’m desperate to be free. To feel myself inside of her and have one of the shortest but overwhelming experiences we can. Yet. The desperation is what drives me, it shouldn’t be on offer as soon as I am ready.
    I work well to a countdown, in the knowledge that I will be denied

    For my wife, she wants to feel that intimate connection. She has now found satisfaction without my penis, but to remove the experience completely seems fruitless.
    8 times a year feels like a good balance.
    Having timescales takes the pressure from her to feel she has to control the situation.

    Periods of freedom:
    My wife has concluded that my orgasms should be for us, not about masturbation. I completely agree. Freedom should be granted for as long as she is capable of removing the ability for me to act on that temptation. Overnight wouldn’t be a concern if I was fully satisfied just before… but considerations should be made that I could wake up earlier than her. It wouldn’t take long for me to fall off the wagon.

    Pleasure limits:
    For me, every two weeks seems to work perfectly for a form of release whilst caged. It removes the neediness factor without providing the relief to drop off in my moods. It keeps me satisfied in our sex life… yet, I’ve found myself feeling I don’t need them so much as I need to please her; that being restricted in giving her too many orgasms is as tough as my own.

    For her, she needs the break in between. We both enjoy that time too. Twice a week just works.

    Additions:
    As the period of freedom is less than my wife initially planned, it could be a clever compromise that would make both us happy to bring in some cage free playtime. Ruined only orgasms or less. Her itch to play with my member is scratched while limiting this to within my 2 weekly cycle would not disrupt the experience we have created for ourselves.

    Obviously, we wouldn’t stick strictly to the timings, but it works. That’s our perfect harmony.

    …..

    Now I can forget all that and continue to ponder how my wife has decided this game should be played… just a few more days before I receive her Christmas present.
     
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    Until you've gone through it yourself and as a couple, you won't know. It should produce change in both of you.

    You should be using this time to pursue her and intimacy in all other forms. If it becomes monotonous, it's likely because your imagination is lacking. You should be finding that her orgasms begin to produce an emotional release within you that takes the edge off of your neediness. The limiting factor here is if she is struggling with life (she works full time and you have children in the house) and it becomes difficult to enjoy physical, sexual intimacy. But your night last night sounds spectacular even if it didn't involve sex. She wants at least that much from you even when she doesn't want sex.

    I think you need to discover what 3 months without any type of orgasm can do for you. Yes, you will hit a plateau phase where you feel kind of blah physically. But my experience was that it was minimized because we had plenty of physical intimacy with tease & denial for me. I think a lot of guys fail at it because they struggle with maintaining a vision for the end-game and lack the tenacity to follow through. You come across as one who has the drive to do it.
     
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    It sounds terrible!
    Honestly, I don’t think it would work for us… chastity is still very new to us (I mean two years isn’t that long…) and she’s still getting her head around it. :confused:

    No, really. We’re in a good place. I don’t think we’d need it.
    I’m also not sure it’s possible. Just spooning my wife right now and I can feel myself getting into the zone. I doubt my body will go that long.

    Fortunately, I’ve become quite fond… and dare I say proud… That I’m a premature ejaculator
     
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    I agree completely, and I would include zero ejaculations too.

    But he can't do that, he is still chasing dopamine like a toddler chases a beachball he keeps kicking.
     
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    You're like the only person posting on CM now. Definitely a dry spell, but enjoy and appreciate your posts. I'm with littleguy3 here. Although your journey is interesting and impactful, it is missing something serious. I understand that it may be a "bridge too far", but if you are orgasming, you really aren't practicing chastity, which is essentially refraining from all sexual intercourse. You may be practicing on again/off again chastity, but ultimately you are just limiting the amount of sex you have, or perhaps transforming your relationship into more of an FLR. It's all good, so I'm not hasseling you here.

    I'm not sure what started me down the path of locking up. I did reread an agreement that I had proposed to my wife at the start and it is pretty clear that I was proposing some form of semen retention. I was saying we could use dildos, I'd satisfy with oral all the time, blah blah. But we never seriously practiced limiting my orgasms to zero. That is, until very recently. The end of November, three months into being locked, was my last orgasm. There was a lot of back and forth on this, but I felt my orgasm was a distraction in many ways. Don't get me wrong. I love sex. Everything about it. Feelings, smells, sights, emotions, thoughts, fantasies. You name it. I'm about the most sexually charged guy you will meet. And my wife, for her part, is too. But I was and am looking for more. But not having orgasms is less, isn't it? Not at all. It's been one month into no orgasms for me. We have had more sex, my wife has come more times, we are more attracted to each other. I do more for her than ever before. And here's the kicker. Even though I haven't had an orgasm in a month, I am having more fun and I'm enjoying it so much more.

    You see, an orgasm feels great. And I still want them. I want to feel it, don't get me wrong. But I've come to believe it hurts us. I believe I understand why. I don't want to get too preachy, but I believe in this thing called spirit, or "the spirit". The spirit resides within us, but it's not always there. It comes and goes. When I orgasm, I lose it for a time. The more connected you are to it, the harder it is for you to lose that connection, even for a few days. And if you're someone cumming really often, you might not even have much of a connection with it. You might not know what it is until you practice retention for some time. Once you connect with it, it's hard to let it go. I understand it's a personal thing, and may not apply to you at all. You might even think I'm a bit nuts. And that's ok. Because, yeah, I am a bit weird, but very happy.

    So, again, I'm with Littleguy3 here. You don't know what your missing. Like I said, I have more sex with my wife than ever before. What I'm not having is something that literally lasts for what, 5 seconds? I get days of pleasure in exchange. Giving up that 5 seconds for days is the best trade I know of. It's not horrible at all.
     
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    Mahatma Gandhi said, “Joy lies in the fight, in the attempt, in the suffering involved, not in the victory itself.”

    Yet, this contradiction of a man also said…

    “Live as of you were to die tomorrow”

    So… if you were to die tomorrow would you find pleasure in the suffering? Or would you love your life to the full? Would you find harmony with dopamine coursing throughout your entirety?

    Now that’s something we should all overthink about….
     
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    Oh, shit. I hope no one calls the chastity police :p

    How does your spirit bond with another’s? Is this not the entire experience; where intimacy, sexual desire and orgasm all meet together as one? Why would you deprive yourself of that?

    On the same line… you want all this, you believe all of those things… what are your wife’s beliefs? How do they intertwine?
    As I said. I’ve had the fantasy and now we approach an arena of compromised wonderment. Do I need 3 months of complete deprivation to know of it? Or, is the sacrifice I’ve made enough?

    What is the right way to practice chastity when you have the thoughts another on the same footing as your own?
     
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    That’s because some of us take care of Christmas in september. It pays to be organised people. Come on!!
     
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    You have confused joy with pleasure. Why quote him if you aren't going to understand the quote?

    “Live as of you were to die tomorrow”

    And yet you don't, you spend time on the internet overthinking how you can get more dopamine while pretending to make it all about your lady.

    You'd do none of this if you knew you would die tomorrow.
     
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    joy
    noun
    1. A feeling of great pleasure and happiness.
     
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    I don’t think I’d die tomorrow. If I did I wouldn’t do this, no. Would I refrain from orgasm? Probably not either.
     
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    If this was only about a dopamine high, we’d all be doing ice baths every morning instead of dealing with cages…
     
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    There's a lot more to it than I posted about above:


    My wife and I are very much on this journey together. We have something very different than what most people on this site have. I've said many times, chastity is not necessarily a kink. My wife is the proof of that. This isn't a kink we're practicing, this is a spiritual journey. And my wife is very much on board. She has veto power over everything. We discuss it. We modify. We do it together or we don't do it at all. And yes, although we have intimacy, sexual desire, there is a change to the notion of orgasm. This was one of her concerns, right up front. She lived her life believing that the pinnacle of the act of love-making was orgasming together. But not everything we grew up believing is necessarily true. There is an ancient belief that male ejaculation and male orgasm are two different things. There are lots of people who will profess to this. I, honestly, haven't completely differentiated them from each other. To me, the feeling of cum flowing through my urethra is synonymous with orgasm. Yet I can attest that I most definitely feel waves of extreme pleasure while fucking my wife, particularly when she cums. Yet I haven't "ejaculated". Sure, I like the feeling of cum shooting out of my dick. But I love the electricity I feel when we fuck every bit as much if not more. Most women/(all?) don't ejaculate when they cum. Ejaculation is clearly not required to cum. So, this belief that a guy only cums when he ejaculates and that a good fuck requires the guy to ejaculate is just not a given. My wife and my bond during sex is pretty good (I say with a chuckle, as in, holy shit is it good). And we experience all of what you ask about.

    My wife is pretty much on board. I say "pretty much", because she has some hesitation. As do I. She sometimes wants me to orgasm. There again, so do I. What we have found is that it's not necessary. What we have now, is stronger and more enjoyable than what we had before. And it was pretty good before. Am I the driving force to much of this? Yeah. But that's our dynamic. But I would say, I'm not leading. We're talking, we're listening.
    I'm certainly not saying what you should or shouldn't do. There was some comment you made that I just wanted to share an experience on. There is no time period for any of this. My wife and I are very much of the mindset that we'll know it when we get there.

    Is the sacrifice you've made enough? Only you two (and God?) know the answer to that. But funny you use the word sacrifice. It is an appropriate word. There's a lot of beliefs around about the nature of sacrifice. There's a lot of promises that what you sacrifice is returned in multiples. Many people experience that in their lives.

    And really, I'm not trying to convince you or anyone here of anything. I like what you write about. I was sharing my thoughts about some things you said. My wife and I are on our own journey, Just as my wife and I are different than you and your wife, our journeys are different too. Enjoy.
     
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    You don't need anything, so draw a line under that.

    Would you benefit from abstaining? Yes, everyone would.
    My bad, you are clearly the type of person that gets the same feeling when wanking in a tissue as when you see your child walk for the first time or when it calls you dada or having climbed a hill just for the experience of the sunset.

    Some might say you are shallow, but I disagree, I think you are just a product of the times.
     
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    Firstly, although I detail my sex in a positive light, there should be no misinterpretation that this indicates that I get no joy from other areas of my life. That I don’t value my time and experiences with my family in the highest regard. This is not really the place to share those experiences.

    To suggest I am a product of my time… you clearly don’t know me well enough. To suggest I am shallow because I don’t agree with totalitarian view that abstinence is key to finding relevant spirituality within life is just flat out incorrect….

    What do you aim to achieve? Not by putting me down, that’s clearly an off-shoot of your mild superiority complex…

    What do you aim to achieve through abstinence? Further to that, how can these goals not be met by experiencing pure sexual pleasure?
    Is semen volume in the epidydimis really the key to Samma-sambohdi?

    Secondly, I don’t wank into a tissue. I have an old sock for that!


    This is where we agree… and slightly disagree too.

    My wife and I have experimented quite extensively into this. I will 100% agree that the feeling of a full body orgasm is not through ejaculation. Where I would differ is in the opinion that the connection, although not relevant, is still apparent.

    We have cracked the lid on Pandora’s box with this one. I’ve said it before, that when my wife pleasures me recently, there has been no goal of causing ejaculation… this is just a bi-product of the energy from my own orgasms. (I’ve had the same experience without cumming.) Complete, full body, overwhelming, couldn’t-even-explain-what-is-going-on-around-you, can’t-stand-up-for-an-hour sort of orgasms.

    I ejaculate now, whereas I didn’t really before.

    What I can say is this… I cannot get to this level whilst attempting to control ejaculation.

    It takes complete relaxation of the body and mind and the allowance of pleasure to take its own path. Now that’s spiritual.

    And Fuck, I love the dopamine high!

    It’s all gravy. I appreciate the journey of others and what has worked for them. I appreciate advice. When I consider how I would balance this an integral part of my life I look at the experiences of others. There has to be knowledge for success… but we have to be open to changing and trying somethings different under our own unique circumstances

    One size does not fit all, and I dare say your journey may lead you down different avenues than you first expected.
     
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    You have jumbled things into something they are not. I was replying to the definition you chose of the word "joy", and how you were confusing pleasure and joy.

    What does totalitarianism have to do with it, lol.

    You'll need to ask someone who thinks that.

    I have no idea, but it's fun watching a hungry ghost try to find out :)
     
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    Wow, my apologies man. Never my intent. I thought we were exchanging like friends. I'm actually a bit hurt. Sorry.
     
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