Chastity cages and Christianity

If they sincerely accepted that Christ was the son of God and died for their sins and repented.....yes. In heaven.

Recall in three of the four gospels witnesses saw Jesus forgive one of the robbers next to him for believing.

 

Excuse my flippancy to make a point and try to direct us back to chastity. Of course there are opinions and facts. It is a fact that killing another human is wrong. It is an opinion that sex before marriage is wrong.

 

Excuse my flippancy to make a point and try to direct us back to chastity. Of course there are opinions and facts. It is a fact that killing another human is wrong. It is an opinion that sex before marriage is wrong.

 

They come from all societies, religions, and the ten commandments. Stealing is forgivable to eat, but that doesn't make it right. White lies that protect are a moral act, or just to amuse yourself with the kids.

 

Question for all y’all Christian skeptics. You know who you are. The ones who say the Bible is just a story book and Jesus makes no logical sense.

Where are your big boy pants on the topic of Islam? You know, that religion of peace that cuts off your head if you don’t convert and they play soccer with the testicles of homosexuals.

Is the Koran just a story book?

Is Allah just an imaginary figure to ease the conflicted thoughts one has in life?

Does Mohammed’s existence and purpose fail to make any logical sense?

Just curious. After all, you guys are only concerned with the facts.

 

I am equally skeptical of any old data, religious or not. The older it is the less you can trust it, it's more likely newer data is more accurate and reliable.

I'm told at least Islam has a system for deciding between conflicting verses. New trump's old.

 

That’s it? The Religion Of Peace severing heads in England is new trumping old?

I know, I know “not all Muslims are terrorists”.

Skeptical, you say....

 

No

Severing heads in England? We are talking about Sharia Law right? That's not going to happen. Fox News gossip.

I live in one of the most secular countries in the world, racism is very low, less than 5% of people would be bothered by someone of different ethnicity living next door.

I recognize that in the UK, a terrorist act is more likely to come from a disillusioned Muslim youth these days than an Irishman.

I more worried about a Muslim taking their ancient texts literally than a Christian, however I am equally skeptical about both writings.

Both can add value to people's lives and also have the ability to take it away, if one receives poor guidance or make poor choices.

I'm not skeptical that these are stories from our past, or that something in them may hold true, or be useful. As an ex-christian turned atheist, of course most of it doesn't resonate with me anymore, but I do agree with a lot of the good bits that were taught. Morality without God.

I don't know the Koran, as I wasn't raised that way, but I'm sure it has some good bits too. As will the Bagahvita, and other spiritual texts. But with no belief in anything spiritual, or a consiousness that goes beyond the physical body, I do see things very differently.

We're getting off topic again. Such fun.

 

This must be one of the hardest things to resolve in the religious mind. All you can do is fall back on the Bible, even though you know it feels wrong. Some crimes are just too unforgivable surely?

Imagine meeting Jeffery Dharma or Ted Bundy in Heaven..."What the Fuck?... They picked you over Jay?... I know he was a bit of a heathen, but seriously?....He was a good bloke, and I got you as a roomie!"

 

Humorously stated.

But resolving the “Dahmer made it but not me?” dilemma is easy for the biblically aware Christian. The Bible clearly states that there is only one unforgivable sin: blaspheming the Holy Spirit.

There’s still time Jay!

 

Bible last (New Testament) teaching: love one another as I have loved you.

Koran teaching: Convert, tax or kill.

Not much similar in the two religions.

Islam and Chastity? Now THERE’S a thread.

 

Not all followers of Islam want to cut off your head, but most of them are fine with it when someone else does it. I agree with Lazlo on this one.
If it's old then it is wrong? I guess this opinion is based on science. The same science that believes the blob of cells called a fetus magically turns into a baby when it passes through the magic birth canal.
Without religion you have no morality. How does one argue this point? But, but ,but.................science.

 

Have you heard of Vladamir Putin? Gangus Khan?

Maybe I missed the opening question, but due to my faith as a Christian I was wrestling with if it is a must for d*ck heads that have been causing problems. "if a man knows the good he ought to due and he does not do it then he sins"

Please keep in mind when stating statistics such as this that many of the self proclaimed theists are theists in word only. If these people were put on trial for being Christian do you think we would find evidence to convict them?

 

that is an opinion

killing someone in self defense isnt wrong

so the circumstances matter more than the fact, meaning it comes down to point of view

thats an opinion, not a fact

if someone else views something differently than you its not a fact

Im not saying whats right or wrong, just saying whats a pointless argument and what isnt

if you argue with someone over a point of view you will never win

youve never heard an opinion and changed one of yours

 

It's too late for that. Lol.

The point I made was it is not easy to resolve without falling back on the Bible. It's easy to just say, "well that's what it says in the Bible" on any issue, but that isn't a satisfactory answer to me.

 

Of course it’s not satisfying Jay. If you reject God, you also reject the Bible as THE authoritative source.

Never too late.

 

The other thing to keep in mind, regardless of your belief: God is sovereign. He does not need you (or me). We work for Him, not the other way around.

Thus, all of the “prove it to me” lines of commentary and questioning are based on a false premise. (My belief).

You must seek Him. Passively prodding the believer with the hope of annoying them, “enlightening them” or maybe finding the proof you need will never satisfy. You’ll forever be in an endless circle.

 

I also noticed that @enslavedbyc chickened out. He’s enslaved alright. His perception of the weak Christian is also false. His running and hiding when asked to similarly condemn Islam is telling. Another spineless leftist.

 

Killing in self-defence is justifiable but still wrong. I think in the UK we are less worried about this, it is rare for people to own guns.

 

So blasphemy is forgivable?

I don't see my view as a rejection. I cannot reject or accept something I don't believe exists. I'm neutral. I'm not against or for religion. overall. I am against some of it, and for some of it. I agree that the scriptures say Dharma gets in and I don't, but I cannot see that as a good thing, or something I could support. Whether it is true or not. I know you don't agree, but hope you see where I'm coming from.

 

I totally see where you are coming from. It explains clearly why a bunch of things Christian-Wise just don’t add up for you.

Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is NOT forgiven.

Please be careful with the weasel words (at least with me). To not believe in something IS to reject it.

I reject the existence of a Tooth Faerie.

Do we really need to waste time discussing the definition of rejection?

 

Weasel words? I'm not following you. You know better than to think I'm trying to be conceited. Let's not waste time discussing the dictionary definition, it is only partially relevant as words and thoughts need clarification sometimes. Instead, let's try to understand why we perceive it differently, and what it means to me and you.

Rejection is such a strong feeling or emotion. As a Christian, you of course imagine rejection of the Trinity as a very important strong feeling (connection,.emotion, etc...). So I understand why you feel I reject him/them. To you it is unthinkable. The thought makes you uncomfortable.

For me, the word rejection feels too strong, as I'm very much at peace with my non-belief.

 

Your comfort with your belief doesn’t entitle you to redefine words. A tactic of the left I will not tolerate. If you do not believe something exists you are rejecting it. To say “that’s too strong a word and I am at peace with my disbelief.” doesn’t change the word.

C’mon. Too much good stuff to discuss. Be intellectually honest. You reject Christ as your savior. Yet you try to weasel out of that position. Hedging your bets? Is your faith strong enough to say “I reject Christ”?

Now YOU defend your position. Why do you reject Christ? Why do you believe he does not exist?

 

Definitely not hedging or left, or tactical. I'm too ADHD and disorganized for that.

If I stick with your word, then yes. I reject, or do not believe God exists, and therefore also do not believe (reject if you like) that Jesus, who was ahead of his time, saying some good things and probably did exist, could possibly be the son of God (and God and the Holy Spirit) I think improbable, and unnecessary to explain life as we know it.

I'm also very comfortable with the answer "We don't know for sure". I don't have a need to add agency for the unknown. Which will seem strange to you no doubt, but is my reality.

Why do I not think he exists? That would take a while. In short....There are so many reasons why at the age of 17 I rejected the church,.and decided that though I believed there was something I was on a journey of my own discovery. After about 15 years of reading lots of related stuff and learning I finally reached my current belief that God is improbable. I'm waiting to see some evidence that convinces me. Trust me I've tried.

 

WOW! I failed to read an alert a few days ago and missed a whole lot of what was going on in this thread! Until now.

Here is what's important for us to consider. Jesus claimed to be GOD! Capital GOD! According to the Bible! The Bible is the only definitive source of his life story, his teachings and his claims. We must decide if it's fact or fiction or whether we want to know the truth. He claimed that our eternal state depends on what we believe about him.

If you want to decide if it's fact or fiction (opinion), read Matthew, Mark, Luke and John (the gospels) and Acts found in the New Testament portion of the Bible. You'll probably need help interpreting the text unless you're a scholar of that time period and of the Jewish faith, so read a book like The Case for Christ, or something similar which examines the evidence. Can these texts be trusted? What did he claim?

If you don't want to know or are unwilling to consider the evidence, then maybe this thread isn't for you.

If Jesus is GOD, then the question of sex before marriage is a question for him to answer and not for us. (As are all other gray area questions.)