Online censorship in the uk starting July 15

I’m uneasy about the privacy risk. Perhaps I’d feel better about it if all the owners and employees of the private companies who are candidates to provide the verification had themselves to 1. be verified as being over 18 and 2. provide their porn viewing data to me! After all, who are these (foreign) strangers, trusted by the UK government more than Her Majesty’s loyal (adult) subject, yours truly?

More generally assuming that there is some harm to some children from watching porn (as @L-u-c-y mentioned (e.g. warped psychosexual development)) I’d like to know how widespread those harms are and how severe. Only then could I form a view as to whether the harm caused by the policy justifies the new additional privacy exploitation risk being imposed on UK porn watching adults.

I am rather more sympathetic to the copyright point @L-u-c-y makes.

 

with what content is on youtube these days... i would not put too much faith in this curtailing consumption.
it will be used to document peoples usage and content viewing. I have worried about this quite a bit as yet another way politicians can control who comes and goes from the political arena. when the tech giants have a snapshot of not only what you buy, what you view, but also email key words you send and receive... that is a considerable influence should someone some day enter politics or become a person of importance.

anyone with a VPN will easily bypass this attempt to curb what content is viewed in the UK. its a noble gesture, but wont impact all but the most novice of browsers.

 

Porn isn't made for kids, politics shouldn't be run by idiots - there's always been a way to do things one shouldn't (and I fear there always will be ).
Don't feel like this discussion was started to refuse the money porn-stars earned by "acting" nor to allow children to watch aggressive, slapping, spitting porn (at least they now must steal Dad's wallet right after playing some Ego-Shooters - why is no one asking about what the parents did while the youngsters watched porn?).
Problems are never solved by interdiction, but by information, education and care!

 

Any and all Porn watching by minors is the fault of the adults that responsible for their upbringing and/care.
I'd say 99% of the time that is indisputable.. and I do not see why adults who do choose to watch porn should have to put their personal perhaps even financial details at risk to fill in for the failure of those unwilling or unable to protect and care for their children properly.

 

The irony is the original porn producer will have to sign up to be verified by some of the same people who’ve stolen and distribute their content for free.

Porn was available to anyone of my era if you were tall enough to reach the top shelf of the newsagents

 

Or a lot earlier lucky enough to be a paperboy delivering it ..it was tucked inside newspapers in brown paper bags.
Though it was really only female breasts and bums and a long time before they would let you see some pubic hair..



newsagents you said... now thats a brit talking.

 

True, but what is the argument for the UK government placing more trust in offshore companies to verify my age than (as was the case pre Internet)...me myself, and the owner of the shop from which I purchased porn? In the current political climate in the UK this distrust of “the people” in favour of “offshore elites” sets a very dangerous precedent.

Who vets the verifiers?

 

Those poor poor porn actresses! I can’t tell if this is about pirated porn (like Napster was with music), or if it’s about making people register to look at smut on the internet.

The first...I have no more sympathy for the porn actress than I do for hookers. Bad things happen to good people that sell themselves. An amateur just putting it out there for people to view isn’t out anything, in fact if get off on showing yourself, the more the merrier. If you are doing this stuff for money, awe...making good life decisions just isn’t working out.

The second issue, I would have a big problem in this day and age trusting a website with my personal information. Even if they don’t give it away to someone, their system could be hacked or corrupted. Heck even credit agencies have been breached. One of the wonderful things about the internet is the anonymity. Tracking what you look at is a bit creepy, knowing someone could get that info.

I’m in the USA, so this won’t affect me, scary to see a fellow democracy find a way to let businesses track and file your internet usage.

 

As far as I understand it, the age verification process only applies to websites that are run as profit-making commercial enterprises. Whether that profit arises from subscriptions or purchases doesn't matter. I'm unsure about advertising revenue.

I'd imagine sites such as Chastity Mansion won't be affected.

I can see an opportunity for new websites to spring up full of amateur home-made porn made by, and for, those connoisseurs of the peculiar who are unwilling to provide their verification details to an unknown, hackable online database.

 

Just because someone chose to become a porn actress or actor does this mean they shouldn’t be entitled to get paid just like the lawyer or construction worker?

 

I am not from UK and if i were living there like beacuse of working i couldnt care less, for few euros/pounds anyone can get a VPN with unlimited trafic and almost no increase in latency which will solve the issue withouth any problem. The sites know where you are from because of your ip, when you use a VPN what you are doing is ask the VPN to get [X] page and it will get it for you with the ip that you choose as they will offer many countries so for no por hub and other sites you are a legit client and no censor will be applied

It is a waste of resources as it iwll has limited success as soon as people learn how to deal with it, a VPN could be purchased without an id of any kind and if someday it is limited you can purchase a VPS (a computer to host webs) in other country and you will be able to get all you want. No need to P2P/Torrent or other weird and slow things. But that is thinking the case that all webs complain, something that will not happen, you can bet about it

 

I get your point and i agree with that, the problem is that nopor is only the consecuence not the problem, the real problem is how hugely oversexual our "modern" society is, no matter where you look, at the streets females dress like 90s whores of worse with all the respect to any of then, at TV you see females without bras and even panties that are only covered by a tiny cloth on their bodies leaving nothing to the imagination, talking with people will mostly end talking about sex, us the boys talking about how [X] looks and all that things but females do the same at their own way, less explicit and more privately

It is on every day, we are hipersexualized and no one wants to stop that and no one will. When i was a kid not so long ago females dress normal or like a lady should wear, today they has to use the ultra super push up ++ and of course show to the other how amazing breasts she has, or legs, or ass with a pro self made make up on the face and upload to as many social things as she can. It is a shame that womans only care about how they look like and doesnt mind be treated as objects because if you enter the game to be the sexiest girl in the city you will be treated as that, 3 sexy holes instead of your brain

It is noporn really accesible? Yes, no doubt but thats the deal with internet, internet only provides what people wants, i am not going to do it but others may see a bussiness oportunity an create a site hosted on a offshore (a country who laugths at laws request of any kind and are too many to choose in my opinion) and earn money letting anyone enter, kids or not the ad wouldnt matter and money is money. Unfortunately there people out there without ethic or moral who only God is money so it can happen and the more you tighten the situation the more profitable will be and more probably will happen

 

Seems baffling that this site has a widespread problem with people faking gender, yet some believe a display screen can be tracked to a certain age individual. It should be pretty apparent to most of the users of this website the law is technically flawed. So flawed in fact, that the apparent motive 'prevent minors from accessing adult content online' is most likely not true.

It would give a small number of people a vast amount of data on the preferences of a virtually every 'adult' in the UK (really, let's be honest, household, since we don't know who is actually accessing the content).

That data is worth an incredible amount of money. Knowledge, as they say, is power.

 

You ban the porn first, then when everyone uses a VPN you ban that.

I wonder where else has banned VPN’s for the good of its citizens?

 

If they do porn for free they are an amateur, doing it for fun. If their getting paid to sell themselves it’s a job...and if their job is sex, like I said, maybe they should have made better life decisions than depending on the sex trade for income. I don’t particularly care for porn that I know they are doing it for money. It seems fake because...it is, they are acting. If I never saw another professional porn scene again I would be just fine.

As far as the male sex workers? Um no, their job seems pretty awful. In fact I heard most gay porn actors are really straight but it pays better.

Sorry to hear that you find my attitude towards hookers, porn stars, strippers, etc to be disgusting. I actually do find their jobs to be pretty gross.

 

If they are getting paid less because more amateurs are doing it for free and technology has allowed users to access exhibitionists, then that is the way supply and demand works.

If they are getting paid less because they aren’t getting royalties, then they should take it up with their pimp, I mean manager, and straighten that out before. Getting paid more at the beginning if they aren’t getting what they want later. Musicians faced the same problem, no one was buying discs anymore, the found a way to use the new technology and still get paid.

 

No one cant block VPNs for good, not even China (Chinse people has a huge censorship and cant access to many webs, not even Google so it is a pretty hard one)

VPN are safe because you cant prevent it use, a VPN works differently as "regular" conections does, in a "regular" connection what happens is that you send a HTTP/HTTPS request to an ip (the names of the webs are only for us, internally they are numbers) and the server at that ip will answer your request, in reality happens in a few stages at this point but it is not important, the important part is that it uses a standard protocol so a Governent can block the service, it will look the request at the proper stage and if they are to be censor it is done, nothing can be done, censorship is done preventing the data to leave to the server wanted so that server will never know i want something from it

A VPN doesnt apply any protocol at all, not ones of the public, when you access to it you will get the rules to follow, they can change every day or second if you want, it means the ISP or Goverment will only see raw bytes sended and received, because they dont know the protocol it is using because it is private they cant decodify the info or even intercept, thats why VPN are illegal in China, because they cant block then, only ban then at use the law to scare people from using it

And if for any reason all goverments agree and ban all the grey/black services there are online now other networks will take the place, IPFS or the dark web are two examples or other networks that are not the main one where 0 control is present. They know that some control is better than none, if i upload here an illegal thing the admin will receive a mail and delete it because it not bad things will come, we all know that, it is not the case on the other networks, laws are not respected, thats why politicians will not try further at all, they dont want to loose control and of course all the lobbys wouldnt let then rage us that way as they like how things are going

 

Fair enough if that’s your view. But why should the genuine grossness you feel, or even the “bad” (as you would see it) life choices of the porn actresses, have the consequence that they should not be rewarded when porn users benefit from their performances? It is analogous to the copyright snags with illegal music streaming without benefit to the musician.

 

It is comparable in the aspect that they both feel that technology has allowed consumers to derive gratification/listen to music without the artist being compensated. What the music industry did was adapt to the new technology and get compensated for downloads, paid by servers, and advertised through high free exposure.

I don’t feel grossness, I just think it is gross.

As far as poor life choices...I’m sorry you can call me a snob, but if you’re taking a load on the chin from someone you just met, you’d rather not, but it’s your job and you do it anyway...you made some poor choices, wound up needing to do porn. The disenfranchised and sexualized have always been taken advantage of, so kind of an occasional hazard.

 

I am not calling anyone anything. I’m just putting some thoughts out there. Another analogy: if several people each borrow small amounts from a poor (disenfranchised) person, each benefit from using the money borrowed yet none pay the (poor) lender any interest, would that be fair? If not, who would be culpable? The downtrodden lender or the borrower? Arguably the borrowers would be. On one view, porn stars simply “lend” a small part of their erotic capital to each viewer. Some would say that porn stars simply “give away” their erotic capital, so arguably it’s more egregious that they get so little in return.
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