Question on Semen Retention, aka. orgasm denial

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    I'd like to ask whether what my wife and I are planning has a chance of success. We are looking to have me stop ejaculating for a while. Maybe forever more, but let's just say, initially, for a pretty long time. The question though, is both my wife and I love PIV (i.e. fucking) way too much to stop that. What we are planning is simply that after she cums and is satisfied, we stop. In other words, we just don't wait till after I cum. Fortunately she generally cums before me, so this logistically should work. Here are my questions:

    1. Generally, is this workable?
    2. Perhaps after retaining for a few weeks, I may cum too early. In the US, we don't have elma cream but I can get goosica cream which is Lidocaine based. And I have found it already helpful. But I've also found that it can make me a bit too numb. Do folks have experience with retaining, but still fucking, and using a numbing cream?
    3. Is it realistic to plan on being able to fuck every couple days, bring her to orgasm, and be able to do this for months? I know, a lot depends on us. But has anyone done this successfully?
    4. I believe this will be enjoyable for her, and me. Me, because I won't have a refractory period or an emotional down. Her because she will still get pleasure, and probably more so. Does it work this way?
    5. I assume this may get pretty challenging at times. Do folks have experience on when it will become challenging. (I would say hard, but, well, of course I'll be hard). If so, what kind of challenges and what did you do to overcome them (assuming you did overcome).

    I think the biggest concern is one of realistic. I've heard of folks doing orgasm denial, even permanently, but I believe it mostly involves no more fucking. We both want to continue that. How many other folks have close intimate relationships with their wife, that includes PIV frequently, yet they are able to maintain semen retention indefinitely.
     
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    1. Yes.
    2. With some breathing and tensing techniques you don't need to numb your dick, and why would you want to numb your dick anyway, lol. Taoists, and others, have been practicing semen retention whilst having lots of sex, for millenia.
    3. Yes, we have done it successfully for months.
    4. Yes, it works that way.
    5. You'll run into issues of incredible horniness, frustration, and annoyance. You'll probably relapse and have a cheeky wank from time to time.
    We both like delayed orgasm, and one of our biggest challenges when neither of us cums is knowing when to stop. It sounds like a funny problem but there it is.

    The biggest impact will be that it will change the way you make love. You will need to take ity slowly, not just jackhammering her. You'll learn the difference between deep and shallow thrusts, and you'll need to keep your mind on what you are doing.

    Making love becomes much more of a meditation than a sport. It's even more fun if she also participates.

    Enjoy :)
     
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    Yes, and I've bought all the books, watched all the videos, and even believe that it all works. But it doesn't work for me today. I'm an instant gratification kind of guy. I want something that works now. Seriously, I get it. and I want that. But everything I've read says it takes practice. Possibly a long long time. What do I do in the meantime. There lies the answer to why use numbing cream.
     
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    Honestly, if sex with your wife is more important than orgasm denial, just have sex with your wife. Sometimes you have to set aside some kinks to maintain your healthy and loving relationship. Chastity can be fun but it can also destroy your relationship (just do some browsing and see how many people talk about their wife not being interested anymore).

    Good luck.
     
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    I think this is going to be mute. She mentioned that she wants to do this her way. Good for her. Really, I'm impressed. She hasn't told me yet but I think I know. She's curious about Karezza. Which would mean, she participates. In other words, neither of us have orgasms. But we stay intimate throughout. It's interesting. Not as kinky-ish. Which come to think about, that makes sense for her. I guess I'm game. Does change it a bit though where it doesn't sound as fun. But maybe I'm wrong. Either case, if I'm right, she's learned a bit over the past three months of my being locked.
     
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    Karezza works. Very well.
     
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    LOL

    Good luck with that.
     
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    I'm in the US, after some solo expirimentation, I've arrived at Oragel maximum strength generously applied behind the corona and down the frenum, then soaking the rest in any of the maximum strength lidocaine gels. Apply very hot towels for 15 minutes before application, put a condom over the gels, and then ahot towels over that for another 15. If you take the condom off and wash, you get about ten minutes of profound numbing, but if you leave it on, it's exteremly persistent. I find I need a cock ring before the application of the numbing products or I can't get erect until the effects start to dwindle.

    She may consider this too much fiddling around when she wants sex, in which case you could braoch the subjst of you wearing a strapon. A kit is sold that enables one to make a mold from their erection to produce a silicone dildo, I wonder if this might be generally more acceptable than a commercially produced dildo.
     
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    This is pretty much what we practice, but my wife lets me have orgasm about once a moth, because I get eventually too aroused, and PIV doesn't last as long. If something gets in the way, and we don't have sex for a week, my arousal goes down again, and can keep going longer. The good thing is that the more aroused I am the easier for me is to have erection. So it is a balance and I let her dictate the pace and my orgasms (as it should be :)
     
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    I've found that goosica is good for three hours without the need for all the fiddling. I put some on, focused on the frenum, but all around, rub it in (I've had a lot of practice with this, hah). Then put some more on. I wrap plastic wrap around my cock an leave it for 10 minutes, then shower. The plastic wrap is just so I can go about doing other things without having it get wipped off. Good to go for almost three hours.
     
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    I won't let anyone tell me romance is dead when men go to these lengths to romance their loving partners.
     
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    You bet. It makes life worth living so to speak
     
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    “You just wait there baby, I’ve just got 9 more minutes before I take this wrap off and then I’ll shower… if you could get the wet wipes so I can clean it off before I fuck you…”
    Now if that isn’t foreplay?! Honestly, I think you could train yourself in the Taoist breathing techniques in that time. Anything more than applying a bit of cream to a condom sounds like a complete mood killer.

    We made the Emla cream work (not sure how goosica is) as it was very quick to apply, it takes some time to eliminate the sensations but that’s a good time to enjoy penetration. By the time I couldn’t feel anything, she was feeling more than enough for both of us.

    To answer the original question. Yes, you can maintain a good sex life even if you don’t ejaculate. My wife kept me orgasm free for two thirds of a year and we still had plenty of sex.
    We did do some ruins and stuff during that time, but we didn’t have to.
    Whatever you plan, just make sure you’re both having fun. Too many rules and preparation will be your downfall.
     
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    I know it all seems to lack spontaneity and romance. But that is so far from the truth. Do you want to know what lacks romance? Leaving your wife frustrated because you came in her before she came. I have a wife that prefers PIV. Nothing else matters to her. I'm good at oral, fingering, holding, hugging, kissing. You name it. She wants my cock inside and she wants me working it for a while. I'm not looking to be a porn star and last an hour. Ten minutes would be good. And sometimes I can, but if I'm retaining and haven't had release for a week or more, I will not last ten minutes. Meaning, she wiil NOT be satisfied. Numbing cream sounds counter intuitive. But really, only if you think the only point of sex is for the guy to get off. In that case, yeah, who needs cream.

    But with cream, I can fuck her slow, get her worked up, get my cock covered in her juices. Pick up the pace, let her feel my balls slapping her body as my cock reaches deep inside. Neither her, nor I need to worry that it will end too soon.

    I didn't have this problem when I was younger. I could cum every day, last a long time, bring her to orgasms all the time. Now my hormones are different it seems. I can't every day, my mood shifts dramatically and lingers low for many days. We are less connected, less romantic.

    Ask me, and this is very romantic. It is putting her needs before mine. It makes sex about her, something I can do for her that she loves. And that action, makes me close to her. Gives me joy, and pleasure. So without belaboring... It is very romantic.
     
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    You can PIV sex without ejaculating
    you can have all the sensations you can imagine might be related to having an orgasm
    including the sensation of really pumping out everything.. and not ejaculate
    afterwards can be weird... you feel as though you had the most epic orgasm ever and at the same time you feel horny as hell.

    It takes time but there are a lot of other people that can do this too.
     
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    I'm glad you have a solution to your problem.
     
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    If you can do it then it can work for you, any excess semen will be reabsorbed by your body so there is no need to release.
     
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    How do you size the ring? How does it work? I've never read any instructions on these things. I did purchase some stretchable ones recently to try (probably with numbing creme), but I have no idea what I'm doing.
     
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    Got a link?
     
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    "Ring" meaning anything that is a bit restrictive. You can get stainless steel rings at the hardware store, perform a cock/ball tie with paracord, etc. There are also adult-specific options, including leather rings that lace, buckle, or snap to size. I recently bought a grab bag of rings from siliconenozzles, and can use those to work something out. With a rigid ring you want something tht just fits when flacid, an elastic ring can be snugger depending on the degree of elasticity. Play safe, and relieve the pressure at 15 minute intervals to allow the blood flow to normalize. There are guidelines to push father than that, but I don't encourage them.
     
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    So adding in my 2 cents here and like many others, YES, you can enjoy frequent PIV without cumming, it just takes practice, focus and encouragement from her. Starting and stopping a lot in the beginning, and eventually when you hear her say “don’t cum” you won’t.

    Call it programming or whatever, it took us a while to get there but I’m about 210 days denied orgasm right now, and we have PIV with the real thing at least 2-3 times a week… rest of the time she enjoys a larger strapon etc. I always get the urges to cum, but never do, and most times I’m able to last quite a while without getting too close to the edge. Deep breathing and clenching as others mention and mentally preparing help and you too can get there.

    Very often I get crazy euphoric feelings during, building when she cums and falling off into a bliss state after she cums and without my orgasm… I feel somewhat satisfied as if I had, and definitely worn out physically and mentally just as if I had an orgasm. It’s the most intense and bizarre feeling and I’m honestly not sure I’d trade it for an orgasm - even though I want to most of the time. Another one of those chastity paradoxes - you want to cum, but the feelings during sex are so amazing and intense and I know that will “reset” if I cum.
     
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    That is a great response and gives me the will to go forward.

    I suppose we don't have to set expectations at this point. My wife did ask if I thought I'd ever be cumming again. I said I didn't think so and she felt that was the right answer. Funny how that is kind of arousing. It's like somebody hasn't told my cock what that means. It fundamentally changes its purpose. But it's weirdly comforting and soothing to be considering giving that up. Regardless, even if there are orgasms in my future, it's clear that things have changed and will never be the same again.
     
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    Agree no need to set every expectation and just let things evolve. I would say you do need some “basic” expectations and communication is key there, but I will tell you that we started out with rules and dice and games and other things that were scheduled, but over time we abandoned all of that other than simply the cock stays locked up unless SHE wants it out -
    Excepting medical or any realistic reason it needs to be removed. This opened her up more frankly, as she was in full control. Doesn’t mean I don’t initiate sex or don’t make suggestions, or ask to come out of the cage etc. If she says no then that’s the end, if she wants it then she says yes.

    Obviously if the keyholder has zero libido this may not work for all but it’s worked well for us.

    My wife has hinted that she may never let me cum again, but she does so in a way that makes me almost want that… saying things like “you don’t want to start all over do you?”, or “you know this (PIV) wouldn’t feel as intense or amazing if you got to cum”. And she’s right it wouldn’t… that feeling and the closeness when we have sex is off the chart compared to when I was cumming all the time… doesn’t mean I don’t miss it and doesn’t mean I don’t want it, but that mental programming is what she also loves. I get excited just writing about it and thinking about it.
     
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    A bit of an update. So far, so good. 19 days without an O. I feel I'm over the hard part. I don't feel driven to get one. Simply satisfied to keep my wife happy. We have had intercourse a bunch of times. My wife has helped me by letting me know that she's cum at which point, I stop. Funny that I actually get totally aroused by stopping. Drives me wild with passion. But doesn't make me need to cum. Great state of mind.

    One thing that's started to happen is I now leak. Guess that means I'm all filled up. Never happened before in my life. At first I'm like, what's happening? Am I peeing? But taking a look, it's cum. No arousal, I'm just relaxed down there, yet it's leaking cum. I actually like it a lot. Pretty cool.

    Again, don't know how long this will be. But there is no end date. It's as long as we both can stand it. And if we stay in a spot of being fine with it, it'll probably never end. Based on the benefits I've found so far, I'm hoping that November 25 was the last orgasm.
     
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