Covid-19 and Life

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    Nor do we hear about developed countries that have simply had enough of the nonsense and are moving on. I believe Denmark is one of them.

    Great point you make.
     
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    A common criticism of those swimming upstream against the Covid orthodoxy is that we "cherry pick" data and don't follow the "percentages" of the overall population. For example, many on this thread have pointed out that thousands of dead people is no big deal because it's such a tiny percentage.

    Let us not forget. As an individual, you are not a "population". You are a unique individual. As such, you much seek your own data to help YOU determine what is the best approach for you and your family. Do not make the mistake of personal decision making based on a population. Unless you are damned sure you are fully represented by that population. And most of us aren't.

    This Covid madness is as much a data and information problem as it is a medical one.

    Please remember, if I am sharing a room with Bill Gates and our average net worth is $100 billion, that may be factually correct, but meaningless.

    For me, I do not fear the disease. I fear vaccine injury. And I fear the rapidly expanding tyranny that is manifest today. When I see a study on THAT population, I may be inclined to follow it.
     
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    https://www.nationalgeographic.com/...spreading-in-south-america-heres-what-we-know
     
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    Could be all sorts of confounding factors, but it's interesting none the less.
     
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    When is the penny going to drop. Masks, lockdowns and vaccines don't work. The people who led us down that path do not want to admit it.

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    #257 Shimone, Sep 2, 2021
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    Israel was leading at a point but is not even under the top 5 countries anymore. Furthermore most people that are not vaccined in Israel are ultraorthodox jews who have their own funny view towards goverment, covid , healthcare or female rights. Not even police would go into their quarters alone, becausethey fear to be attacked and / or infected in the process.

    But hey - nothing against ultraorthodox jews. They might do everything short of killing their daughters if they want to break with their kind of religion, but apart from that they would fit perfectly into this thread !
     
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    One day soon you and people like you will have to admit lockdowns were the most colossal health mistake ever.
     
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    I see antisemitism remains alive and well.

    Looks like you live in a "government good, God bad" sort of world. History is not on your side brother.
     
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    I already do admit and regret my shortsightedness.
     
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    That earned you an report, Lazio,

    calling me Nazi once , ok, maybe you don not know better, but the second time calling me antisemitist is over the top for sure !

    Citicizing one group that is even questioned in Isralel itself has nothing to to with even criticizing the state israel, its residents or the jewish religion in general. But even criticizing criticizing certain decisions made by their goverment - which I certainy do looking at the palestinian conflict - does not make me anything else but someone with an open mind interested in world politics !
     
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    @Shimone & @Lazlo Toth Time to step back from personal attacks and insinuations to win an argument that will never be won.

    Everyone is entitled to an opinion but not delving into the mud to insult people who hold different points of view.

    Both suspended from posting on thread for 7 days
     
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    I think it's become very clear now to anyone who takes the trouble to actually look that what was blatantly obvious to some from the start is fast becoming undeniable.

    • Lockdowns do not have any long term impact on covid. For as long as the lockdown/restrictions last there is an impact. Once they end, covid resurges. Pointless, and highly disruptive 'do something' theatre from governments.
    • Masks (the cloth/disposable surgical ones) are worthless. There is no evidence anywhere of a fall in infection rates following a mask mandate.
    • Vaccines do have a place although that palce seems to be reducing the severity of illness as opposed to preventing disease.
    In short, it's reasonable to assume that all all of us will, at some point, be infected with covid. Thanks to vaccination the impact of that is lower than it would otherwise have been but it will never be zero. It's equally reasonable to assume that we will all be exposed to and infected by covid multiple times during our lives, however the severity of these subequent infections is likely to decrease.

    With all that said, we should be pressuring our politicians to improve the resourcing of our health services to better handle the increased workload and stop wasting billions on pointless testing, tracing & attempted suppression of what is now an endemic illness.
     
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    I think what whitty (England's Chief Medical Officer) said at the start was the truth. A shame he allowed politics to veer him off track. I've never actually heard him say this doesn't still apply though.

    The question is, why did they start treating it like the bubonic plague????

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    Even most of the oldest most vulnerable people will survive.
     
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    I don’t fully fall in either camp. Summary of my views:

    -Vaccines dramatically reduce serious illness and death.
    -Vaccine effectiveness appears to decline after 5-6 months
    -Vaccines are far less risky than getting Covid without it
    -We will all get it at some point
    -there are benefits to immunity by actually getting Covid
    -you still benefit from recovering from Covid even if you had the vaccine
    -no one should be forced to get vaccine
    -wear a mask if you want and leave others alone
    -buy and wear a expensive respirator if you are really worried
    -even with Delta, kids still not likely to get seriously sick
    -stop lockdowns and let people do their thing.
    -provide access to vaccines if wanted
    -stop the “nanny state” bullshit.
    -vaccines won’t stop mutations because people still get it just don’t get seriously ill.
    -the Israeli data clearly shows that the vaccine dramatically reduces serious illness and disease (hardly 100% though) but doesn’t keep people from catching it.
    -the people I care about most are vaccinated so I don’t care if you get vaccinated or not but it would be nice if you didn’t spread half truths and misinformation to support whatever is stuck in your head.
    -if you don’t know the history of how the mRNA vaccines were made, you don’t know enough about it to argue against it.
    -if you don’t know exactly what mRNA stands for, you don’t know enough to even have a vague opinion about it.
     
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    The response has been far worse than the disease. If this had hit 100 years ago, it wouldn’t have even made any history books.
     
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    I still think the 1969 pandemic would have had a similar death count if the deaths were counted in the same way and mass hysteria and insane mass testing had taken hold. I've spoken to a few people who were around then and they don't even remember it. No social distancing, no lockdowns, no masks.

    If you're ill, stay at home. If you're worried about getting ill, stay at home.

    (Skip the first 55 seconds)

     
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    The whole response in the U.K. was media forced and now we are mega worse off of course as anything to do with the media that forces those to change there way.
    The only way is to let things ride like past history has proved.
    Delaying the inevitable is pointless and the cost is beyond mental crazy financially . As we can already see that most are those already sick and we are not meant to say but most are obese too and in general when catch it they will die.
    It’s not rocket science but the facts prove what we are not meant to say.
     
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    This video makes some good points about the media misrepresenting things to get their way.

     
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    Sweden got it right. They only had more slightly deaths in 2020 because 2019 was a weak flu year. The rest of the world got it wrong and they are too stubborn to admit it.


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    This has been fact-checked by Reuters as 'satire' - which is a shame really, as a lot of people - the serious media people seemed to believe it at first...
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    And this is a blog from someone who appears to have given up trying to figure out what is true and what is not.

    "Not that I ever would. My self-appointed role within the COVID19 mayhem, was to search for the truth – as far as it could be found – and to attempt to provide useful information for those who wish to read my blog.
    The main reason for prolonged silence, and introspection, is that I am not sure I can find the truth. I do not know if it can be found anymore. Today I am unsure what represents a fact, and what has simply been made up. A sad and scary state of affairs."
    https://drmalcolmkendrick.org/2021/09/03/i-have-not-been-silenced/

    Who gains if things get so confused you can no longer tell fact from fiction?
     
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    That's a great blog post from a registered doctor, I'm posting it in full here.

    3rd September 2021

    Thank you to the many people who have e-mailed me recently and asked if I have been silenced. I have not. I have had letters from Public Health England and the General Medical Council, informing me that I was under investigation for daring to question anything about COVID19, particularly vaccines.

    The good news is the investigations ended up nowhere, and were closed down. I have also had irate phone calls from doctors, telling me that I must not question vaccination and suchlike. This has been somewhat wearing and has caused me to remain silent for a while and think about things.

    However, I do know how to play the medical regulations game. Don’t make a statement you cannot reference from a peer-reviewed journal. Don’t give direct advice to people over the internet. Provide facts, and do not make statements such as ‘vaccines are killing thousands of people.’ Or suchlike.

    Not that I ever would. My self-appointed role within the COVID19 mayhem, was to search for the truth – as far as it could be found – and to attempt to provide useful information for those who wish to read my blog.

    The main reason for prolonged silence, and introspection, is that I am not sure I can find the truth. I do not know if it can be found anymore. Today I am unsure what represents a fact, and what has simply been made up. A sad and scary state of affairs.

    This is not just true of the mainstream and the mainstream media, which has simply decided to parrot all Government and WHO statements without any critical engagement…or thought. For example, the BBC intones that ‘In the last day, fifty people died within twenty-eight days of a positive COVID19 test…’ Or a hundred, or six. What the hell is this supposed to mean? It means nothing, it is the very definition of scientific meaninglessness.

    Especially when it seems that very nearly a half of those admitted to hospital with COVID19 were not admitted to hospital with COVID19. They were admitted with something else entirely, then had a positive test whilst in hospital. In short, they were not admitted to hospital with COVID19, and almost certainly did not die of COVID19. They died with a positive COVID19 test. With, not of.

    But the misinformation is equally a problem for those on the other side. Claims are made for the benefits of Ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine that simply do not stand up to scrutiny. Yes, I believe both drugs may provide some benefit, but not the claimed 90% reduction in deaths that I have seen trumpeted.

    So, I have given up on COVID19. It is a complete mess, and I feel that, without being certain of the ground under my feet, I have nothing to contribute. I too am in danger of starting to make statements that are not true.

    However, before leaving the area entirely, I would like to make clear some of the things I currently believe to be true, and what I do not believe to be true. If this is of any assistance to anyone. Very little is referenced, because I can very easily find a contradictory reference to any reference I provide. For each fact, there is an equal and opposite fact.

    1: SARS-CoV2 exists

    Many people have stated, probably correctly, that the SARS-CoV2 virus has never been fully isolated. Whatever exactly that means. Have Koch’s postulates been met? [see a bit later on] I think for viruses, Koch’s postulates are very rarely, if ever, met. Does it matter, not really.

    Despite this gap I believe that SARS-CoV2 truly is a ‘new’ virus that did not exist before. So, it must have mutated somewhere, or been mutated somewhere, from another coronavirus… probably. Although it seems that SARS-CoV2 does not mutate. Instead, it creates variants which, somehow or other, is a completely different process to a mutation! I have found that language in this area means little, and words are simply twisted to suit a particular narrative.

    I feel it is most likely this mutation occurred within a laboratory in Wuhan during gain of function research. But I don’t suppose we will ever know. It seems unlikely to be something that the Chinese authorities are ever going to admit… ever. As a general rule, the more fervently, and angrily, the Chinese state denies something – the more likely it is to be true.

    This is a special case of a general rule that I modestly call the ‘Kendrick reverse meaning law.’ Which developed from P.G. Wodehouse’s observation that ‘When an Englishman says ‘trust me’ it is time to start counting the spoons.

    This reverse meaning was seen clearly when Matt Hancock (UK Health Secretary at the time) stated that ‘Right from the start we’ve tried to throw a ring of steel around our care homes.’ Which actually meant that ‘Right from the start we threw care homes under a bus.’ Unless, what he actually meant was that the ring of steel was put up to stop care home residents escaping. ‘Halt, who goes there….’ Sound of heavy machine gun fire, whistles screeching, attack dogs baying at the leash. ‘Go for the Zimmer frames, that should bring them down.’

    2: SARS-CoV2 is generally more deadly than influenza

    Of course, SARS-CoV2 is most certainly not deadlier than the influenza epidemic of 1918-19. Which is estimated to have wiped out 2% of the entire world’s population. It is probably not more deadly than the 1957 epidemic, or the 1967 influenza epidemic. But it seems more deadly than anything in the last forty years, or so. So, a bit more deadly than most influenzas that sweep through humanity every year, or so. Give or take.

    Currently, SARS-CoV2 is reckoned to have killed four and half million people across the Globe. Which is 0.07% of the world’s population. However, there is an immediate problem here. With influenza, we count for one year, then start again the next year. With COVID19 we have just kept on counting, adding this year figures to last years, and so on!

    Eventually, therefore, assuming COVID19 comes and goes like the flu, and we just keep on counting without end, it will end up killing a hundred million. Making it the deadliest virus ever. Far worse than any influenza? At the current rate this will take another thirty years, or so. Within one thousand six hundred and sixty-six years it will have killed everyone. Of course, there will have been a few billion replacement humans created during that time.

    What is far more important is to know the infection fatality rate (IFR)? That is, what percentage of those infected with SARS-CoV2 will die? This, I am afraid, we are never going to know, as the definition of what the word ‘infected’ means has flipped this way and that and can never be pinned down.

    Does it mean a positive test? Does it mean a positive test plus symptoms? [Which used to be called a ‘case’] Does it mean something else. What does infected actually mean…

    Here, I defer to the Master – Lewis Carroll:

    ‘When I use a word,” Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, “it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.”

    The question is,” said Alice, “whether you can make words mean so many different things.”

    The question is,” said Humpty Dumpty, “which is to be master – – that’s all.”

    Accepting that no-one will define what COVID19 infection actually means, I believe the infection fatality rate is, (using previous used definitions) settling at around 0.15%. At least it was last time I looked. This was never enough to justify the panicked actions that have taken place around the globe. Never.

    3: The figures make no sense – and never will

    One of the central problems here, form which all other problems flow, is that the PCR (polymerase chain reaction) test is the test against which the PCR test itself is tested. We have nothing better. So, we are completely reliant on it being accurate. However, we cannot know how accurate it truly is, because there is no test against which to compare it.

    I mentioned Koch’s postulates earlier. These are the tests which can prove if a ‘micro-organism’ is actually causing the disease. The ultimate gold standard:

    • The microorganism must be found in abundance in all organisms suffering from the disease, but should not be found in healthy organisms.
    • The microorganism must be isolated from a diseased organism and grown in pure culture.
    • The cultured microorganism should cause disease when introduced into a healthy organism.
    • The microorganism must be re-isolated from the inoculated, diseased experimental host and identified as being identical to the original specific causative agent.
    And good luck with all of that. The truth is that these postulates can work for bacteria, but not really for viruses. Because it is very difficult to meet them. I am not sure if they have ever been truly met for any virus.

    On the matter of finding out if the virus is truly present, in anyone diagnosed with COVID19, here is a letter that was published in the BMJ in October last year

    ‘We are told that the virus is everywhere – in the air, in our breath, on fomites, trapped in masks – yet public health authorities seem not to be in possession of any cultivable clinical samples of the offending pathogen.

    In March 2020, the World Health Organisation instructed authorities not to look for a virus but to rely instead on a genome test, the RT-PCR, which is not specific for SARS-CoV-2 (1) (2).

    A Freedom of Information request to Public Health England about cultivable clinical samples or direct evidence of viral isolation has no information and refers to the proxy RT-PCR test, quoting Eurosurveillance (3).

    Eurosurveillance states: “Virus detection by reverse transcription-PCR (RT-PCR) from respiratory samples is widely used to diagnose and monitor SARS-CoV-2 infection and, increasingly, to infer infectivity of an individual. However, RT-PCR does not distinguish between infectious and non-infectious virus. Propagating virus from clinical samples confirms the presence of infectious virus but is not widely available (and) requires biosafety level 3 facilities” (4).

    The CDC admits that, “no quantified virus isolates of the 2019-nCoV are currently available”, and used a genetically modified human lung alveolar adenocarcinoma cell culture to, “mimic clinical specimen”(5).

    It appears, therefore, that we have public health bodies without clinical samples, a test which is non-specific and does not distinguish between infectivity and non-infectivity, a requirement for biosafety level 3 facilities to even look for a virus, yet we are led to believe that it is up all our noses.

    So, where is the virus?’

    (1) https://www.who.int/publications/i/item/10665-331501

    (2) https://www.bmj.com/content/369/bmj.m2420/rr-5

    (3) https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/679566/response/1625332/attach/ht…

    (4) https://www.eurosurveillance.org/content/10.2807/1560-7917.ES.2020.25.32…

    (5) https://www.fda.gov/media/134922/download 1

    After reading this, do I still think SARS-CoV2 exists? Yes, I do. I firmly believe that I watched people dying of it, from it. They died in a way I have never seen people do so before, and I have seen a lot of people die. They seemed quite well, then suddenly their oxygen sats dropped like a stone – they still seemed okay otherwise – then they died. The end.

    Very strange, and rather disturbing. I started slipping an oxygen saturation monitor onto my finger from time to time. Just in case. 99% is my average reading, if you are interested. It never dropped.

    However, getting back to the testing. If you truly want to confirm the presence of a virus in a sample, you need to send it to biosafety level 3 facilities to isolate it, grow it (not really the correct word for a virus), and suchlike. This is never done in the clinical setting.

    You could argue that if you wait for antibodies to develop, you can ‘prove’ that someone was infected, or not, and thus work out how accurate the PCR test has been retrospectively. Perhaps…

    I speak as someone who needed seven Hepatitis B vaccinations before I produced any detectable antibodies. Did I have immunity after the first six, or not? Am I someone who simply does not make many antibodies, but still have immunity through other mechanisms? Do others simply not produce antibodies, or their level drops so fast, that they effectively disappear?

    Yes, serological testing (looking for antibodies), has its own very significant problems.

    ‘Serological tests for SARS-CoV-2 have accuracy issues that warrant attention. They measure specific antibody responses which may take some weeks to develop after disease onset reducing the sensitivity of the assay. If blood samples were collected during the early stage of the infection, they may produce false negative results. They do not directly detect the presence of the virus. Further, antibodies may be present when SARS-CoV-2 is no longer present giving false positive case diagnosis.’ 2

    In reality, we are relying on a PCR test to diagnose SARS-CoV2 infection, the accuracy of which is entirely dependent on believing that the test is accurate. Yes, that is the route to madness.

    At present, in the UK, we are doing about one million tests a day 3.

    We are getting about thirty thousand ‘positive’ results. Or, about 3% positive. How many of these are truly positive? Well, you can take a wild guess on that one. At one point, the CDC stated that 30% of the PCR tests were false positives. A ‘false positive’ means that test says you have the disease, when you do not. [A false negative informs you that you do not have the disease, when you do] 4.

    The thirty per cent cannot be the case currently, because that would mean if you did one million tests, you would get more than three hundred thousand false positives. Instead we are getting thirty thousand, which means that it is impossible for the false positive rate to be higher than three per cent.

    So, what is the true rate? Well, if is three percent, then virtually every single positive test is a false positive test. [Three per cent of one million is thirty thousand] Which would mean that no-one in the UK currently has COVID19, and everything we are doing is completely pointless. It also means that people admitted to hospital with COVID19 do not have the disease, they are suffering from, and dying from, something else with a false positive COVID19 false test stamped on their forehead.

    Is it possible that no-one actually is infected with SARS-CoV2? Well, it is certainly not impossible. Here is a graph of overall mortality (risk of dying of anything) from England. These figures, unlike most others, are pretty much fully reliable. Someone is either dead, or they are not. It is a difficult thing to get wrong, or manipulate. There can be some delay in registering a death, but this is not normally a major issue.

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    The graph starts in last quarter 2017. As you can see, a spike in overall mortality in Spring 2020, A spike in Winter 2020/21. Currently, no excess mortality at all. So, if COVID19 is infecting hundreds of thousands of people each week, it is not showing up as any excess deaths… at all 5.

    Does this mean that COVID19 has gone, and we are rushing around panicking about false positive tests? Or is it still here? Still here I think… but who knows… who knows.

    This is the main reason I have given up. I just don’t know what to believe – apart from overall mortality figures. The figures are spun and massage, twisted and mangled.

    Another reason why I have given up trying to make any sense of COVID19 is the enormous differences in overall mortality seen in countries that are virtually identical in life expectancy, healthcare systems, actions taken against COVID19 etc. etc.

    Afters studying the figures from England, I looked at the figures from Northern Ireland.

    Both countries [yes, Northern Ireland is not actually a separate country, it is part of the UK] did almost exactly the same things when it came to COVID19. They both have the National Health Service, they are as close to each other as can be – in terms of COVID19, and most other things. Here is the graph of overall morality for Northern Ireland.

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    Which means that something very dramatic happened in England, with regard to COVID19? Yet nothing happened in Northern Ireland. This, to me, is fascinating, although I cannot explain it. However, I know that if you were able explain why these two graphs are so weirdly different, you will be unearthing some critical truths with regard to COVID19.

    Of course, no-one is remotely interested in such anomalies. Instead, they point to a country like Norway and say – ‘Look how well they did with their rapid lockdown, and preventing people crossing the border’. No-one points to Northern Ireland and says, ‘look how well they did with all their….’ All their what? All their doing exactly the same as England.

    Yes, Northern Ireland does not fit with the approved narrative, so it is ignored. Anything that does not fit with the mask wearing, social isolating, vaccination will save the world narrative is simply ignored.

    Or it is shouted down or censored by the self-appointed Fact-checkers. Those mighty intellects who can determine what is true, and what is not. It was thoughtful of them to descend from Mount Olympus to mingle amongst feeble minded humanity and tell us what we should, and should not, be thinking. We must all be eternally grateful that the ‘Truth Gods’ now live amongst us, to firmly inform us all what, and how, we should be thinking. And shut us down if we veer from the official narrative.

    Anyway, faced with a situation where there are almost no facts that can be relied upon, from anywhere, I have officially removed myself from all discussions on the matter of COVID19.

    Instead, I shall return to other areas where, whilst the truth is constantly battered and bruised, and lying in a bruised heap the corner, it is still breathing … just about alive. Sometimes it is capable of weakly raising its head and whispering quietly into my ear. I shall let you know what it says.

    1: https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3379/rr-2

    2: https://systematicreviewsjournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s13643-021-01689-3

    3: https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/?_ga=2.38943459.111756282.1590603430-1775824629.1590603430

    4: https://www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n1411/rr

    5: https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps/
     
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    Wow what a thread. So glad I stopped by.
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    Dr. Christina Parks might have good intention, or perhaps she is trying to put the fear of 'God' in you. I have a hard time believing any "Doctor" so intertwined with religion- the original source of tyranny. Y'all can pray and hope, but even the smallest % of protection from a known source of harm is a good idea. Prayer and asking for forgiveness from sin are not helping anything. Not at all!!! Prayer without action.... ah never mind. Are the vaccines being misrepresented? perhaps. Anyone finding themselves a skeptic- good for you! THAT is healthy! But could they prevent serious illness? perhaps that is true also. I see a 6, but you might see a 9 LOL. If anything can be taken from this sea of opinions it is FREEDOM/FEAR people!!!! Anyway, getting old sucks. OHHHH AND BY THE WAY https://www.chastitymansion.com/forums/index.php?members/l-u-c-y.40235/ ===>Bike helmets DO work!! SHIT YO!! LMAO!!! Do you even pedal a crankset? Or just peddle crank? Sorry Ms. gotta go ride me bicycle... and no cb involved! I like my balls producing semen and my erections hard, not weak, limp, and useless! ;)
     
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    This is the America I like to see, not snivelling race baiting bed wetters scared of their own shadow. Hardly a mask in sight.

     
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