How long is a piece of string?

Technically, that's your junk falling off; it'll still be in the device .

 

Tom, you hit the nail on the head. Both intention and the expectation are important.

Intentions and expectations are important for other aspects of D/s relationships. Not just chastity. Ms. Rika in Uniquely Rika touches on similar ideas about submission. I stumbled onto that wisdom on my own, but cemented my thoughts when I read the book.

But... That’s also why this is oddly squishy. I believe Mina’s Bitch intended and expected to be kept indefinitely in his own custom-made chastity. Perhaps forever, barring an MRI.

It’s hard to judge intent from over the Internet... except when someone says “permanently for the next week”... which cracks me up...

Words do matter. Language evolves and labels do too. I do accept the dynamic tension there. But...

The word permanent means you intend and expect something to stay that way. “Planned to continue indefinitely”

 

ooh, man: I -hate- those syntactical nits. they get in your hair and clothes and just -bite-. I itch just thinking about it.

well: we live in an approximately infinite universe. so temporary permanence is the order of the day.

I hate those false oxymorons, too. if you can't have confidence in your oxymorons, the entire social scaffold collapses. because Goddess knows there are enough of them around. oxymorons. at least be a true, genuine one. right?

 

I basically agree. I am in "indefinite" chastity, meaning, I will wear a cage for as my wife/KH wants me to. I do take it off (under her watchful eye) every week or so for a few minutes to get it really good and clean, but thats it unless she wants it off for playtime. The last time that happened was 12/31/18. In other words, I haven't had a full erection (my cage gets tight at times when I'm asleep) or an orgasm since then. We fully intend that I remain locked as long as we both are alive. That seems permanent enough for me.

 

I feel my chastity is permanent. Not in the sense that I will never be unlocked for any reason but that Kitten will always be in control of when, and for what reason, unlocking will occur.

 

Exactly!

 

You and I may be the only people who remember that album.

Nothing wrong with mixing metaphors. Apply liberally to consciousness to achieve desired results.

 

Actually, now I think about it, is there not a difference between:

• in permanent chastity - implies sealed device
• permanently chaste (or some other arrangement) - implies perpetual status.

?

Sigh. I guess we're left with milksop words like "persistent chastity".

 

Thank you so much for the detailed reply! May I ask how you dry yourself after rising the tube? I use a qtip to make some space and then a blow dryer in the space I created with the qtip.

 

or "not cumming".

 

persistence does pay off, though... and bespeaks a shared intention and agency that 'permanence' does not. it's the difference between being done to (which has its appeal) and done with. that is not milksop at all.

 

Yes, I too would like to make a vote for 'persistent chastity' - it does some up the momumental task quite well methinks.

Also, bugger, I used the term 'methinks'. Shoot me.

 

LOL!

 

A word like monumental would be cooler, but there isn't one.

How about "hard chastity", as in "it stays on, no orgasms, it's not relationship currency, and the expectation is at least 9 months."

You can modify the intensity up - "sealed in hard chastity" but not down.

 

“How long you in (chastity) for?”
“Nine months of hard chastity.”

 

Giles_, interesting thought. Like someone doing some hard time in prison. I thought it was funny though. "Hard" chastity? Sounds kind of painful, like part of your chastity was a little blue pill every so often.

Love how this thread has gotten "out of hand". It is enlightening to find ways to describe our chastity. I am still curious how to go about it, but this is good entertainment.

We should compile a list of words and start a thread where we vote on our favorite word.

 

The more I think about it, the better Hard sounds. Merriam Webster has synonyms:

affectless, callous, case-hardened, cold-blooded, compassionless, desensitized, hard-boiled, hard-hearted, heartless, indurate, inhuman, inhumane, insensate, insensitive, ironhearted, merciless, obdurate, pachydermatous, pitiless, remorseless, ruthless, slash-and-burn, soulless, stony (also stoney), stonyhearted, take-no-prisoners, thick-skinned, uncharitable, unfeeling, unmerciful, unsparing, unsympathetic​

Which is basically what we're talking about.

I think there at least three poles for male chastity:

• "Keyholder" - about the power exchange
• "Hard" - about the locked state
• "Unmanning" - about redirecting sexual pleasure to anal activities. (Sorry need a better term for this).

 

speaking of oxymorons… : )

just teasing. hard chastity is a good term. : )

 

'Permanent chastity', to me, means the device is always a feature of my life, and even if it comes off for permitted orgasms, or security reasons, I always know it has to go back on. I am permanently connected, mentally, physically, or both, to being in a chastity device.

 

All the cool kids have stopped talking about permanent chastity and are now calling it terminal tumescence.

 

Permanent masturbation control
Permanent masturbation denial
Permanent erection control
Permanent erection denial
Permanent orgasm control
Permanent orgasm denial (gulp!)
Permanent ejaculation control
Permanent ejaculation denial (?!)

Each are aspects of “permanent chastity”.

But you can accomplish permanent masturbation and orgasm control without being sealed in chastity 24/7 with the intent and expectation that it will last forever.

Denial of PIV and oral sex are another common aspect of chastity.

Our intent / expectation is her permanent control over my masturbation and orgasms. I used the word “indefinitely” this weekend and she corrected me with “no, forever”. After decades of scene play, and five years of serious commitment to submission, FLR, and chastity, we finally got to forever. I’m only two years into what was “indefinite”. I’m only 4.5+ years into masturbation/orgasm control.

The strongest bond is her word.

 

Oral sex?

 

I will take a contrarian perspective.

Our main goal here is that partners can have a more interesting and full relationship by playing with hot concepts.

Slavery is one.
“Forced X” (fill in the blank)
Permanent Y
Rape fantasies

We should play with these things when they are hot to one partner or both and acceptable to all inviolved.

Role play and mind fucks are also good in my opinion. This is play at its heart – to pretend you are in a predicament that is far more X than the momentary predicament you are actually in.

So In the chastity play & experimentation world, “permanent” could mean :
Any play where the goal is to make it seem to the submissive that their predicament could easily become permanent.

And if some can maintain this headspace for days that is awesome.

And if one percent of the membership here is actually locked up continuously for multiple years - wow that is cool. But I don’t think we need to reserve the playful & beneficial sexual play use of a really hot & common fantasy (permanent) just for them.

If we did we would have to ban slaves also