Covid-19 and Life

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    I saw a "Ted Talk" that showed this being done. THIS VERY SCENE. Mysteriously, the link to it disappeared from two nights ago. It was shown BEFORE THE BROADCAST!!!!!

    The lies intensify.
     
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    Are you vaccinated?
     
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    You compare peas with apples. With the exception of HIV none of the mentioned illnesses can be transmitted from person to person.

    The issue with COVID-19 is it’s airborne way of infecting others.

    The other problem I see too is the prolonged shutdown for service providers, small business and equivalent business.

    Also hotels and restaurants belong to that category.

    We in Germany extended the short work from 1/2 a year to I think 18 month. For the individual business people there were also support measures.

    But as far as I see not enough or easy to get.

    When the majority of the employees which work at businesses hit by COVID-19 has a real working contract with paying tax, medical insurance, unemployment insurance and retirement insurance together with a minimum wage which allows living from one full time job, the impact wouldn’t have been not so

    What are your proposals for the whole timescale of the COVID -19 period? Always with the knowledge of the timeline you look to. In retrospective everything is easy to solve.


    To project a worldwide conspiracy countries like Cuba, Iran etc. would not have the same issues.

    If you or your parents are against vaccination you would have probably not survived your childhood.

    There is a long list of communicable illnesses which were extinguished, some not to 100% but to an acceptable level, this varies from country to country.

    Smallpox is one of those, also poliomyelitis, diphtheria, measles, mumps. Do you have a dog? If yes, it is vaccinated against rabies?


    I would not want to see any of those plagues reappear.


    I am eager to read your well proven replies. Weekend is here


    Have a nice day.


    P.s. since I am not a native English speaker some wordings may not hit to 100%.
     
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    The true virus is hysteria, passed from country to country. Rational decisions were not allowed to be made.

    The same people that say "follow the science" say there are 62 genders.
     
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    The shaming and vilifying of people dying in hospitals is the worst. Any news site will have an article about someone dying and the second sentence will always be, "chose not to be vaccinated." They lack any nuance as to why that person made that decision. Maybe they were scared, distrustful, or whatever other reason they decided that it was not a good idea for them. The same people who obsess about eating organic food because of the evil factory famers voluntarily put poisonous thoughts in the head and don't understand how that is as dangerous as anything you can ingest. I'm sure that you have seen people around you who have those lawn signs that say, "In this house we believe that black lives matter, women's rights are human rights, no human is illegal, science is real, love is love, and kindness is everything."...but if anybody disagrees with with them even the slightest on anything, "fuck you you white supremacist Trump supporting piece of shit. I hope you and your family die."
     
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    When everyone knows there are 67 sheesh
     
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    When I bring my dog for her rabies vaccination, it is well established how effective it is and if there would be any side effects. The covid vaccines are experimental at this point, can have serious side effects, and we don't understand the long term results of it. It can also be helpful to you as well. During the plagues you mentioned, they were treated as a public health crisis and not an opportunity to purge the world of the "bad people".
     
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    For you the same question, which decisions would you have made by the knowledge which exists at the given ?

    Are you denying the existence of COVID-19?
     
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    The side effects of COVID are to neglect?
    Is there a reliable source for side effects?
    Has your dog told you how she feels after vaccination?
     
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    #410 L-u-c-y, Oct 2, 2021
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    From the outset it was known that the virus mainly affected the elderly and vulnerable. I would have ADVISED those groups to take precautions if they felt at risk. Anyone with a doctors note saying they are at risk could work from home or have their wages paid by the government. Free deliveries of food and other essentials could have been supplied by the government for as long as needed. As soon as the vaccine was delivered they could resume their lives.

    Everyone else, carry on as normal.

    When people clapped for health services they could have clapped for those self isolating.

    I could imagine these people being treated as heroes and given whatever they want, free netflix, deliveries of DVD's, books & games.

    But no, that couldn't be done because apparently it would have created a "2 tier society".

    This even could have been as a temporary measure to ease the hysteria while the dangers of the virus were being assessed. But no, they went full on into lockdowns.
     
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    Sounds not bad. But where do you put the line?
    Today we know a lot about distribution of
    - cases/by age/part of population
    - death rate/by age/part of population.

    without this information it would have been a qualified guess with the need for readjustments.
    And if you demand isolation of working people what is the solution? Beside food and other supplies there is also a need for money.
    What is about loss of manpower provided by those people?
    I was in the lucky situation that I could work from home, but other colleagues (mounting, commissioning) did not have that possibility.
    Another topic is the development of variants when the virus is spreading in the not limited part of the population.
     
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    Thank you for posting this. I enjoyed reading this. I watch every news source/political podcast/and online article available. What you posted is good. I watch infowars.com or banned.video the most.
     
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    Well that's what I would have done from the start, I didn't need hindsight. That's what lots of other people were calling for as well but they were ridiculed, and more and more ridiculed until we reach the stare we are in now, where only one opinion is allowed.

    I wouldn't have DEMANDED the isolation of anyone, it would have been up to their personal choice.

    Yes they would also have been paid if they had a doctors note saying they were vulnerable.

    Why are you talking about loss of manpower when we had lockdowns and lost nearly ALL MANPOWER?

    As one of the inventers of the Astrazeneca vaccine said recently, this virus will mutate into an equivalent of the cold by next year. So lockdowns have made things worse on all fronts.
     
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    #414 good2fun, Oct 2, 2021
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    I can speak only for Germany. But here the economy made only a short dip. The biggest impact was for small, so-called non system relevant businesses. For the so called shutdown time only food markets, drugstore and other daily needs supply were open. For some people the catastrophe was that the hairdressers were also closed.
    But the productive industry continued operating.
    If It was selective to business, your proposal would covering all businesses.
    Yes the virus has no benefit if it kills its host, but Ebola or West Nil virus give a shit about that strategy.
    The target here is to come from exponential spreading to somewhat linear.
     
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    Lockdowns were the biggest mistake in medical history.

    Isolating the retired elderly would have caused no manpower shortages.

    People with vulnerable health conditions must be a fairly small percentage.

    Comparing covid to Ebola is ludicrous.

    You are trying to find excuses for this abomination. It's sunk cost fallacy, you desperately want to believe this was the right decision. You desperately want to believe you were on the "right side".
     
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    #416 L-u-c-y, Oct 2, 2021
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    The economy only "made a short dip"? You people are lying to yourselves.

    The Bank of England on the "great inflation of 2021":

    - oil up 55%,
    - natural gas up 122%,
    - food up 33%,
    - shipping costs up 225% in ‘21;
    - past 6-months US CPI up 7.6% (annualized),
    - core CPI up 6.8%,
    - wages 4.9%

    The long term ramifications of lockdowns are only starting to appear.

    Our children and grandchildren will be saddled with debt for decades to come.

    Everything is now breaking down. You can't shut everything down and simply restart it.

    It's estimated that the shipping backlog is 500,000 containers.

    Lockdowns have caused rupture in our civilisation.

    And the worst thing is, we didn't need them. It was only hysteria that caused them.

    No extra ICU beds have been created since this started, if the government was really worried about deaths they would have done something about it. Instead they have blown hundreds of billions on pointless short term interventions that don't even work!

    The only "cure" is to lift all lockdown mandates, mask mandates, social distance mandates, vaccine passport mandates and just get back to normal, before everything is permanently ruined!
     
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    What sort of question is that? Did you get your AIDS treatment?
     
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    Don’t forget the Brexit.
     
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    So you answered the question as expected. Enjoy the good weather in LA today.
     
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    In case any of you "intently curious" want to know:

    My wife has cervical meyelopathy. Excess inflammation could kill her. The spiked protein created by the jabs IS an inflammatory response. Thus, the shots could easily KILL her. By extension, if I were "vaccinated", the production of spiked proteins in my body could shed to her........and KILL her. (the drug companies themselves admit this)

    So, two reasons why I choose not to be vaccinated:

    1. The drug companies, who would love my money, admit that their shots could kill my wife.
    2. The shots are a panacea for the stupid.

    If any of you reading this take issue with my position, I truly pity you. You are sick beyond help.

    Laz
     
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    You should learn a bit of patience.
     
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    Brexit is like a grain of sand on a beach compared to global lockdowns. Complete insanity.
     
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    As far as I know, is a COVID vaccination free for the public in the USA.
    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/no-cost.html
    This disqualifies the rest of your postings.
     
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    Historically this is how it has been done.... why the sudden change?
     
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    We are now seeing the issues stemming from a diminished supply chain. It doesn't matter if food or drug stores are open if there is nothing to stock them with.
     
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