Religious discussion (continued from “Christianity and Chastity”)

It's where the evidence leads if you come at the topic without a prior agenda. Nevermind, I wouldn't expect someone who believes in the Bible to look at evidence, without trying to fit it into their beliefs, in other words, with no prior agenda. So I forgive you.

 

Correct, and no amount of trying to show us that the Tin Man has freewill will change that, but please go ahead and try.

Your god is watching you, having written your story billions of years before you were even a sperm in your dad's ballsack, shaking it's head at the word utter garbage you wrote.

Your god is unsurprised that you believe characters in books have freewill, lol.

 

Looking at the evidence is my starting point, proof is the goal, I'd agree. When you became a Christian is as irrelevant as when I went the other way because that's where the evidence leads. There is a world of difference to our approach.

 

Not being deliberately obtuse. So because God knows all you think that is a good analogy to say that we are characters in his book. Then free will is out the window, and we only exhibit (mistakenly think we have) free will.

I just don't think it's a good comparison

 

We could go into simulation theory at this point, but then we could both be called obtuse. So without going into the philosophy of free will, which is an unnecessary detraction. We have free will. Any creature capable of making even a simple left or right decision based on the environmental factors presented to the environmental sensors that have evolved in their genes, has free will.

 

There is a strong argument for saying that there is no free will, but it is difficult to swallow, and no matter how much our previous experiences influence our present actions, as a thinking human it is better to strive to break the bad indoctrinations of the past, and continue to improve oneself. Something, that whichever side of the theological fence we sit on, that we all share. So socially, and legally it's important for society to judge that people do have free will, in the sense that they could have chosen not to do a bad thing.

It's an interesting area, but definition is important.

 

Oh no, only this or that options. Maybe if I pray hard enough I might come up with a third or more options.

So, a character in a story has as much free will as the author allows and you are not saying that characters in stories have free will, after all.

Okay, well, you are pointing out the obvious. The author is your god and you are a mindless follower of your god, and since your god didn't make characters in your story that had free will, aside the evil ones that did the evol deeds your god prohibits, and you can't be one of those since you believe in your god and are a good god thingy.

So you are for your god.

I'm not, since your god doesn't exist in my reality. You are merely a pawn in the story you imagine your god has for you, and you lack the free will to stray off the rails of your track that your god has made for you.

But none of what you claim, has any basis in reality. It's just the hallucination of a mammal that thinks a god cares about him, AKA a giant ego, an I AM.

 

Of course you think you are. You believe your god created this place for you, is concerned about whether you wear polycotton or how often you masturbate, or whether you are "good" or "bad".

Only a giant ego would think a god, that created the universe and that exists beyond space and time, would do such a thing.

To be clear; When I say "you" I mean, humans, or more specifically, humans that identify as the children of a god or gods.

 

So you don't believe your god made you in it's image and you think your god thinks you are no more special than the rest of the apes and slugs?

 

So yes, your ego is giant.

I don't presume to think what a god should do, since I don't beleive in such fairy tales, I only observe that if your claim of there being a god is true then it's a pretty fucked up god.

I don't say your god isn't worthy of devotion. I say that your delusion needs therapy and a crash course in rational thinking.

 

lol, nice try.

You have it backwards; You have a giant ego because you think your god cares about you, the special creatures on the planet that believes in space aliens that live beyond time.

 

Purpose? No. We are, as Alan Watts loosely said, merely feeding tubes that think they think.

Hopes and aspirations are very different to purpose or destiny. I don't think my personal hopes and aspitations for humans is useful.

How about you?

 

Most of us, when we start practicing chastity, we stop masturbating. So, instead of masturbating with a penis, you guys seem to be masturbating with your words. No offense intended here, but in all the discussions that have taken place here, has anyone changed their thinking one bit? Has anyone raised a point or opinion that hasn't been raised before. Or are you guys just playing a game of ping-pong. Hoping to score a point, yet the game has no ending? Carry on.

 

Oh, and along comes someone who only masturbates and thinks discussion is masturbating with words.

He also seems to think that unless there is something new then there is no point in discussion, much like that physics guy who never said "there is nothing new to be discovered in physics now; All that remains is more and more precise measurement".

At least we have his permission to continue, though.

@atxmtb, sit down bro, the adults are talking now, haha.

 

Yeah, adult. Hah. Adults, typically are respectful. Regardless, have fun masturbating.