The Official "Permanent" Caged/Denial Matrix post.

What's needed is a worldwide chaste male statistics App. You put in your data and it tells you where you fit on the scale. A young person could probably do it in their sleep.

 

I agree with you, however, my wife has an exhibitionist side that she like to fantasize about but doesn’t want to actually follow through with. I think that she may be vicariously enjoying it though me.

 

My wife seems completely blasé about this. She has not once suggested I remove my cage when I go for a medical appoint or procedure (including a recent colonoscopy).

 

Not really, over the 4.5 months he got 10 releases, of which I think 2 (the first and last) were “real orgasms” - the ones in between we either ruins (one was 2 in a row) or once I gave him 30 seconds to come by his own hand, which he was able to do. However we are taking a break from the cage right now - there have been some chafing issues, and I think he didn’t so much like feeling bad when he orgasmed without permission. It’s quite possible (probable) that submission isn’t really a turn on for him and the cage is really just a kink- something to take out and play with every so often. I also posted in a different thread about how his libido has dropped in general.

 

I think I read that other thread. I'm really surprised to hear about his drop in libido. I'm in my mid 60s and my libido is thru the roof for the last 18+ months since we started this full time. But I have had fewer releases (9 this year) and I get teased regularly. I also understand that no two people are alike so my experience may not apply to others.

Do you permit / tolerate masturbation behind your back?

 

Some fascinating discussion in this thread! For now, my contribution is to say I currently score an 8/7 on the scale. And a 6 on the time scale.

 

It certainly is true that some definitions can be tricky to define, and 'permanent' is one of them. One of the central observations of Buddhism is that every conditioned thing is subject to impermanence, and so there is no such thing as permanent chastity: we all die, after all, and that puts an end to it! But dying in chastity is about as permanent as any mortal can 'hope' to achieve and, as my keyholder often reminds me, it is her wish that I shall die in chastity. Her ideal for me, therefore, is 10:10 in the chastity matrix, but 10:9 seems to be the best I can achieve for her in reality.

 

Interesting concept! My wife told me the other night that she may bury me with my cage on...

 

I have read of men being buried in chastity, which I should expect will only become more commonplace as women's appreciation of male orgasm denial grows. In the meantime, I hope to live a little while longer, albeit denied and frustrated - which would pleases her even more.

 

It fluctuates throughout O/our relationship but for the past several months it has been 8/8, (8/7 if I am lucky!)

 

6.5 / 3

Uh oh ...

 

8/10 I remove the cage periodically to clean both the cage and my genitals, as well as shave. (All while supervised). I also am allowed to remove it when going through a metal detector or if I have a doctor appointment.

 

For my wife it is also a matter of, “I said what I said.” A while back, my wife had decided that I wasn’t going to be unlocked for a determined amount of time which included a dermatology appointment. Morning of the appointment arrived and I inquired about unlocking for the appointment as I knew drawers were going to be dropped for a skin check (history of skin issues). The look on my wife’s face let me know it wasn’t going to happen but she told me anyway, “I said you won’t be unlocked until end of month, is it the end of the month yet?” She wouldn’t let something as trivial as a MD appointment put her in the trick bag and make her back down from keeping me locked for the timeframe.

 

This one is going to be a bit difficult. I am a caged Dom. The cage, and orgasm, are at my discretion.

I think I fall into the 10,1 quadrant.

In terms of the "caged" dimension, the cage doesn't come off for travel (even international), doctor appointments, or any other reason. The only reason I might not say 10 is that it is possible, although intensely painful, for the cage to be removed without destroying it.

The only time the cage has come off in the past ~18 months was for the lead-up to and healing from my PA piercing. That does not mean, "it comes off for play and then is immediately put back on." The only time it is even loosened is just enough to allow the insertion or removal of punishment pins.

You might wonder what kind of Dom has a use for punishment pins in his own cage. That is a long and complicated story.

Cleaning is accomplished without the cage being removed or even loosened. A high-pressure spray and the use of cotton-tipped swabs do the trick.

Now for the harder one. I orgasm whenever I want, but with the limitation that it is always in the cage, and usually while a punishment pin is inserted. Since both the cage and denial are at my discretion, I am not sure that "denial" can accurately describe my experience.

 

For awhile it was a solid 10,10. I was starting to wonder if I'd ever have it taken off. Eventually, obviously it did come off.

I'm currently not locked and given certain details of my life, don't expect to be for at least a year, but after that, it might become 10,10 or close to it again.

 

Since the last time I looked at the denial matrix thread it looks like I've edged up a little, I'm now firmly an 8,8.

 

That was almost three years ago. She wasn't kidding. 8/7.5 at this point. She takes great delight getting me worked up and frustrated.

 

Doesn't work.

I cold be always caged and always denied, since I could be let out every hour for a five minute wank, where I could have a secret orgasm. It would be secret because my KH denies me the pleasure of orgasms.

 

In the middle of a transition. Previously 8/2. Changing to 8/9

 

I’m still think The TAM The Tom Allan Matrix is a gold standard of…..chastity standards.

what’s ironic to me is I now lack a clear vision of how I’d rate myself.

9/9 perhaps. But since chastity is my default, a day out of the device because it is mutually expedient no longer matters much.

I don’t wear socks 100% of the time. But it’s my default. Since it’s cold at night it sleep in them too!

 

Three years ago I was 7/3 now it is 8/6

 

After lurking on this thread for a few years, I can confidently state my status as 10/10. In 2018 I was 9/9 dreaming of moving to the top corner. With patience and understanding from my partner, I’ve been in a custom Ti cage for more than 2 years. I did have one cage change and am approaching a second cage change as soon as I figure out how to get my current cage off….

I consider myself very fortunate to have a lifestyle that allows this as I understand it’s near impossible for most.

 

8/7

 

Hi Tom -

Time for an update since my matrix calculation ~3 years ago.

In 2019 my thought was 5/6.
But the Covid Lockdown put the zap on me & my Lori's Lockup factor dropped to 2/5.
Back then I knew things would return to 'normal' - just didn't know when.

The last two years have been slowly getting back to that 'normal'.
Lockup is now about half the time ... so 4.5 to 5.
O's have slowly crept back 'up' (I suppose 'down' is more accurate) to 1 every 3 months or so (maybe 1/3 ruined - so at least a better percentage of 'full') ... so 5.5 to 6.

Let's keep working with whole numbers ... so back to a 5/6.
Thank heavens I'm 'normal'