The Future of Chastity - Real Talk...

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    (This is a draft of an article I'm going to post on my substack, so I'd be grateful for some input.)

    Male chastity devices are not as common as vibrators, but it's possible that maybe 1 in 40 men have one. So where's it going?

    I think the future of male chastity will be determined by the gay community, then by whatever % of women are what I call Virgos, and then by the technology, and only then by weirder dynamics in vanilla couples.

    At the moment, outside its use in power exchange dynamics, the male chastity device is basically a sex toy... or an anti-sex toy. It prevents the penis coming into play, or at least signals that this is the intention.

    I think the gay community will lead the way with mainstreaming the chastity cage as a sex toy because the gay men are ... more adventurous than the straight ones, but also less afraid of atypical male sexuality (because male). We keep reading anecdotes of gay bottoms cheerfully hooking up while locked, and nobody seems to much care, or else it's regarded as a nice feature and not explicitly kinky (can anybody confirm this)? I think male chastity will leak out of the gay scene partly through pan/bi folk, but also through increased visibility and the desire some cis het young men have to play with gender presentation - anybody remember the "metrosexual"?

    Once at least some male chastity wearers are truly visible in real life to the straight dating community, then male chastity becomes something a woman can legitimately at least wish for, especially if male chastity is framed as a gender thing. At that point, dating market forces kick in... perhaps amplified by the shift of economic power between the sexes.

    The limiting factor is that only maybe 20% of women are penis-ambivalent. They're the ones who made their first boyfriend keep on his jeans or wear speedos, and the ones who in middle age still like men but are off dick. So that's a hard cap on the popularity of heterosexual male chastity.

    The limiting factor is technology.

    For a start, chastity devices as anti-sex toys aren't escape proof without piercings. At best, they are a tripwire. One way around that would be better piercings, meaning quicker to heal, stronger anchors, and leakproof; in other words, 100% practical and fire and forget, without any need to turn maintaining the piercing into a hobby. Laser piercing is on its way. Maybe we'll also see nano-tech wound ointments of the kind I imagine in my CARGO'verse, or even glue based body anchors. However, the most likely fix is specialist hookup apps with reviews to keep chastes honest, pretty much like HrLckr from Bradley Jones's Chastity.

    Different technology is required for chastity devices to become a "vanilla" relationship tool. Anti-pullout isn't enough. We need an orgasm detector. Those seem to be like cold fusion - always five years away! Only once you have an orgasm detector, does the male chastity device start being a tool for vanilla couples with odd dynamics, e.g. he works from home so she "makes him" wear a device so he stays off porn.

    The final stage would be crossing the streams of anti-sex toy and orgasm detection so that the chaste guy on the hookup app can gain a dating advantage by certifying (a) he hasn't had an orgasm for so many months, and (b) can commit to not having one for so long after an encounter. At that point, you're into a weird self-surveillance culture - I'd welcome any suggestions how that could work!

    What do you folks think?
     
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    I think the future of chastity has its greatest potential with more females learning about the benefits, and then wanting their boyfriend or husband to participate. Right now I believe most chastity play is male initiated. If the concept ever gains traction in the mainstream places where women get their relationship advice, look out.
     
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    I think your right.

    It first needs to become more normalize and, more importantly, more "acceptable".

    Once people hear about it, they will head to Google to find out more. Some will go right to a porn site (unfortunately) but a few, will be looking for more real information. Hopefully some will end up here...

    It will grow, just not as fast as we think.

    Iso.
     
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    When it comes to vanilla chastity I think because most of it is led by the guy, the tech is less important. He wants to be good for his wife. He doesnt want to cheat. He reassures her it's ok to take the lead. Maybe the younger generation will be more open about it. This isn't something we share with friends. The benefits of locking your husband. It could help so many couples. I know so many guys really frustrated, but in the wrong way.
     
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    I think no, and also "Virgos" ain't gonna stick so I think you need to let it go.
     
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    What we need is normality. It should be normal that a guy in a relationship mostly refrains from masturbating. That we not only give our hearts but our bodies to our spouse.

    It took me 23 years to realise this truth. How he achieves this, either through good behaviour or by locking it up is beside the point. Or knowing that your man would struggle on the honour system, it would be perfectly normal to buy hubby a cage and insist he wear it for the good of the relationship, because... Well that's what the science says.
     
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    I think you are way off base. My sense is it has little to do with the gay community. There are two main groups of men that use it. Submissives, and men looking to control their sex drives. This site does not say "Gays need not participate", yet there are almost no gays. Sure, there are likely to be some, and they would be welcome, but it is not the main group using chastity in their relationhips. Seems to me you have established a hypothesis you wish to be true, and are writing an article to support that hypothesis, but it is not the truth. Good luck.
     
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    I haven't got empirical data, but there appear to be a few demographic drivers regarding many of the members of this site.

    Maybe confirmation bias, but it appears the biggest contingent here are middle aged to early elderly men, who had failing, sexless marriages and stumbled upon chastity and rejuvenated their relationships with their significant other. I count myself in this group.

    There's also younger men indulging fantasies while operating outside of an established relationship.

    The last group I observed are some of us with significant religion induced guilt regarding their sexuality, masturbation and possibly fidelity.
     
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    Totally plausible. A salient feature of chastity is that it often makes the relationship better in many , many respects -- communication is better, the relationship is more intimate, the sex life is better, both partners learn more about each other. I could go on. We could all go on. Most people would feel these are good things. So, given that, why aren't most males caged? Perhaps because the society is still based to a considerable degree on male supremacy, and to cultures like that locking up your dick is very scary. But I get the feeling -- it is just a feeling -- that male supremacy is eroding, and quite possibly, as it erodes, more and more males will be willing to take the leap. Once that happens the culture will change in interesting ways.
     
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    I fully disagree. Men are sluts, gay men even more so. I think you see far more penetration (pun intended) with the desperate married man side who isn't getting nearly enough sex and hopes MC will liven things up...
     
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    I think it is good. It has been good for us and often encourage my girlfriend to recommend it. So yes I would post it.
     
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    The real future of chasity most likely is it'll remain a kink. Not any accepted mainstream thing. A femdom ruled society with all men in chasity serving women is purely literotica. It may gain some in popularity as men become more curious, women become more powered and technology advances. Some femdom ruled empire with men as servants is pure fantasy though. Just enjoy what you do why overthink it so much.
     
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    A lot to digest here!

    The demographic of this site seems mostly middle-aged married men. The gay chastity users turn up more on Reddit, and - having questioned a few of them - chaste bottoms (i.e. the receptive partner) seem to be a thing in some circles. There are certainly plenty of them posting ass shots on certain subreddits!

    Only a % of women have dominant tendencies, and only a subset of them like their men locked - over on Fetlife, most dommmes are really unkeen on male chastity.

    So I'm with @Mr_anonymous on this, there's no chance of gynarchy breaking out. Nor are married women en masse suddenly going to start chastising their husbands.

    However, I think the more real the chastity device, the more compelling the prospect, the wider the uptake. So tech will make a difference.

    I also think that male chastity pings something innate in some humans, well beyond the percentage that consciously engage in kink, which is why I think that male chastity devices will become mainstream sex toys - niche, like pegging, but still part of the range of what's seen as normal.
     
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    Overthinking is what got me into chastity in the first place
     
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    I mean good for you I guess. It's just alot of thought and guessing over the future of what will remain a minor kink in a big world of them. It'll never be some mainstream publicly endorsed all men in mandatory chasity thing. It's all kinda silly really. Enjoy your thing for what it is.
     
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    I think it's natural to want to get sense of where we belong in the grand scheme of things. However, you're right that looking to the future - no matter how soberly - is mostly just a fun parlour game.
     
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    Do you think if we had a "50 Shades of Grey" type movie it would make Chastity more of a known kink?

    Kind of like how "50 Shades of Grey" introduced more people to BDSM?


    Iso.
     
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    I think we're up against the tech there again. Chastity cages just aren't credible to non-kinky folk.
     
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    There are a lot of gay men and chastity is used in at least half of gay BDSM these days. It's already normalized in the gay kink community.
     
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    That's very useful. Can you substantiate this, or is this your overall impression?
     
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    It's questionable whether any chastity device is truly "escape" proof, if "escape" equates to the ability to achieve an orgasm. Sure, with a PA, you can insure that someone can't remove a cage non-destructively, but they can destroy the lock or a part of the cage pretty easily to get out. Plus they can still achieve an orgasm using any number of techniques. A cage is simply a reminder. Little more. Still, a fun reminder, but I for one have discovered any number of ways to get what I want, even though locked up. A mind in need of an orgasm can solve many problems.

    (PS. I heard that we cracked the Nazi's code during WWII by putting chastity devices on a bunch of mathematicians and told them that they would not be allowed to cum until they cracked the code. Two weeks later, the code was cracked. That story never got out)

    An orgasm detector would be interesting, but detecting it is not as good as preventing it. I'm afraid the only real solutions would be medical (drugs, surgery, and the like).
     
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    Surely with the gay community, into BDSM and chastity you are already starting with a minority of a minority of a minority. I would say though that in M/F relationships there is more likely to be a mismatch of libidos leading to the man either cheating outside the home and/or with his own hand, leading to the need for something to help redress the balance. Chastity can help with bringing M/F relationships to a better place, so there is a need. Others are into chastity for other reasons, but the serious players always have good reason to make it a lifestyle thing rather than just a sex-toy. People feel they need it. Some are probably right. I can testify to the benefits. Not saying it's a golden egg, but things have never been better. I guess that partly why there is a longing for it to go mainstream.

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    I think detecting would be fine if it created accountability. You can imagine something like FitBit and a public website which users would update.

    Medical solutions seem unrealistic except for exteme cases where chastity is bound up with gender identity... meaning not mainstream.
     
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