Estimated Population in Chastity

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    The link brings me to a video titled "ANNIE HUMILIATES HER CUCKOLD BOYFRIEND"

    It won't load on my phone, not that I have any desire to watch cuck porn. But this brings up the question: is this "chastity porn" or is this some other kind of porn in which a cock cage is simply a prop?

    Could one have chastity porn without elements of femdom, bdsm, etc? If soz what would that look like?
     
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    At its most root level, 'how many people are in chastity," whether you want to consider the validity of the question or the efficacy thereof, the simple answer is that no such statistics or data is maintained. Anywhere. By anyone. The numbers cannot be known; they cannot be interpolated, extrapolated, and no reference to the number of cages sold, likes received, persons visiting a given website, or any other metric will provide that data. It's not there.

    What you're left with, then, is speculation. Pure guesswork. That is directly germane, and hardly "meta."

    If you wish to restrict replies to a guessed number, much akin to using one's imagination to divine the number of jelly beans in a jar, then it's a very limited conversation. Equally valid is the question of whether it matters how many people are in chastity, and whether the speculation is necessary for self-validation.

    One might guess that a lot of people are in chastity, given some assertions that chastity cages represent the second highest sales for "sex toys," after dildos. I certainly can't certify that claim, but that number could be verified. What can't be verified is what happens to those cages after purchase. Perhaps people wear them once, perhaps not at all, perhaps they put them on and never take them off, but regardless, there is no feedback or reporting system that traces the use of the devices. Moreover, chastity doesn't require a device; one may elect to be chaste without wearing a symbolic device. Given that the numbers are not reported, there is no data set that could be used to come to any meaningful conclusion as to the percentage or actual numbers of those engaging in chastity.

    The number or type of porn videos or pictures won't do it. Cage sales won't do it. Reddit comments won't do it. The information is not out there; one cannot come to any statistical conclusion based on data which is not available. How many? Simple: we don't know. That directly addresses the point.

    Or is the conversation further restricted such that a direct reply is also invalid?
     
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    Totally. Lots of otherwise vanilla scenarios in which the man is caged and frustrated and the woman hot and willing.
     
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    Yes, you could. I can imagine a number of fun scenarios. The examples I’ve found were by amateur enthusiasts, not industrial porn.

    Pegging has become a more mainstream activity on its own. Spreading awareness of male chastity in the same way would be good.

    I don’t think industrial porn is a good measure. I do see more caged malesubs on DivineBitches now than in my edging to porn days. But I’m no longer a Kink.com consumer
     
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    The visible community has grown, and has become less homogeneous. The diversity is welcome. Maybe we’re all just finding each other now. But that’s a good thing!

    I see a lot of young guys getting into chastity. All types and preferences. I think it’s great. Chastity doesn’t need gatekeeping (just key-masters… ha… sorry I crossed the streams)

    I am a male chastity advocate.

    I still feel for myself in my 20s. Good role models and examples can help young men have a relationship positive attitude about male chastity. I would have benefitted from today’s community, and still expanding chastity market. I would have felt less alone and shy about trying it.

    That’s why I care.
     
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    #306 SubSnuggler, Jun 10, 2022
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    I know of 2 in my circle that are locked. One just for 'fun' and the other in a 24/7 femdom relationship similar to my own.

    However the 2nd gentleman has a relationship that is a bit more extreme than mine, he's been locked and kept pussy-free for about 10 years. I know this because his wife and bull want to play with my Wife lol.

    I do know of 2 other cuckoldress' that live in lifestyle relationships with their husbands but I've no idea if they are locked or not. So that could be as many as 4 other men, plus myself, that are locked by their wives in my limited circle. Chastity very well could be far more common than we think.
     
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    Basically, if you are locked you probably know other locked men.
     
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    I agree, yes, but ironically all these cases are because their wives are cuckoldresses in the swing community, and my Wife is active. It's kind of like the Venn diagram of 'locked men in relationships' overlaps 'couples in the swing community'. Which is weird because swingers look askance and down upon chaste men in general.
     
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    Maybe so. But then the stats on this site show only 7.5% in a cuckold relationship. So why is the porn skewed in that way?
     
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    Because there are 3 groups of men, in order of population:

    1) Men who sometimes fantasize about being cuckolded or find that situation arousing
    2) Actual cuckolds
    3) and a vanishingly small minority of men not in the above 2 groups :+1:
     
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    Like attracts like, or is it the case of awareness of what was never noticed before (we drive a grey car, and suddenly see grey cars everywhere)?

    Or, is it the case that those who would lock or be locked, tend to associate with others who might have the same affinity?

    If we know other locked men, do we know that they are locked, or would we be surprised to find out?

    Personally, I know no one, of whom I' aware, who is "locked."

    I'd be surprised to find out that people I know are wearing chastity, but I'm sure they'd be surprised about me, too. I can't imagine how I'd ever find out.
     
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    Most of the guys here are not in the kink community, and never meet other chastes
     
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    Aside from on-line, I doubt that's true for the majority of locked men. I think a few folks here are conflating chastity with cucking or swinging. A man in a monogamous relationship with his keyholder is unlikely to have an IRL locked acquaintance (that they know is locked at any rate). Relatively few men discuss their kinks outside of a swingers or bdsm scene environment.

    #3 is not vanishingly small. #3 is about half of all men (and more than half of straight men), with no interest in cuckhold fantasies, especially if you separate cuckholding from swinging and threesomes, which in the context of chastity I think is necessary. But of course within the population of guys into chastity, cuckhold fantasies are almost certainly more common than in the population at large.

    As to the porn prevalence, fantasies that are difficult or dangerous to actually indulge in are over-represented in porn because it's the only access most will have so the demand is raised.
     
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    I saw a post on BDSMLR.com from someone who said he pulled US Customs data and discovered 13 million chastity devices were imported into the US from China in 2020 (almost double the number from 2019 - so "lockdown" indeed), and that 42 million devices were imported into the US from China between 2010 and 2020.

    He also estimated there are about 102 million men between the ages of 18 and 64 in the US, but of course there's no way to know how many of the 42 million are actually used regularly. Still, that's a lot of cages.
     
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    Of course I'd have to google it, but I know that I've seen surveys where far above 50% of men have fantasized about watching their wife with another man.

    And we also know that a significant portion of men have wives that cheat on them, some other portion have wives that cuck them with their full knowledge (possibly even approval). I mean look at the top google result for this query: https://www.google.com/search?q=how+many+wives+cheat+on+their+husbands+in+the+us

    Just because you don't know you are cuck doesn't mean you aren't one. In other words category #2 trims out a big chuck of guys. All meaning that #3 is a very small population %.
     
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    Wow. If we each have 40 devices… I know some of us do;)… then that’s a million customers in the USA. Only 1%.
    If it’s 4 devices on average, then 10%.

    I would believe 1-in-10 of men in the USA wear or have worn chastity.

    This compares well to something more “normal” and accepted, like same-sex attraction, that’s between 1-10%.

    I’d love to see the source data.
     
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    Please remember that there are devices made in Europe imported, as well as devices made domestically. I think at one time the CBx devices were made in the USA (?)
     
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    A man whose wife cheats does not necessarily become a cuckold, simply because she cheats. If he ratifies her cheating and participates, knows it goes on and allows or approves, he may be a cuckold.

    It would be hard to be an unknowing cuckold. One definition is simply the husband of an adulterous woman, but generally simply having a cheating spouse doesn't necessarily make one a cuckold; knowing, and supporting her decision does.
     
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    Of course of course!

    Since they were reported as imports from China to the USA, I kept it simple.

    Yes, I’ve owned Holy Trainer cages, Steelworxx, and Rigid Chastity cages myself. Those are just a few off the top of my head of great options from Europe imported to the USA. There’s Pedro69 designing (from Italy?). A few full belt companies.

    Yes, MaleChastityNow, MatureMetal, Lori, EvotionWearables, Kink3D in the USA, and Steelwerks Extreme and BlackoutDevices in Canada. There’s @JosieLynn designing and making via Shapeways. The Miller’s original CB-x000 of course, and the newer Vice.

    Thats 15 businesses counting extemporaneously on my fingers (and toes).

    I have no idea how many separate Chinese businesses there are, but they seem moved on from copying designs to their own research and design…. Which is just stunning to watch.
     
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    and 3D printing is going to make domestic production… climax
     
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    You are projecting your own kink on others, I feel.

    "Just because you don't know you are cuck doesn't mean you aren't one"

    Balderdash!

    As for cheating stats you say look at the top results. Bullshit too. 14% of women cheated at least once is more likely.
     
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    If this is true, then it is very interesting. However...I would like to see this backed up with a source.

    But let's imagine it's true for a minute. There are enough devices for half the population of the US. If half of those are people who bought one device only that's 27mill owners. Then say the rest are more serious and have an average of 4 devices each. That's about another 7mill. Then that's 34million owners. I know this is all poppycock....but it's not difficult to imagine quite large numbers of chastity enthusiasts. Suddenly it doesn't seem out of the realms of possiblity that there could be 2 million regular practitioners in the US alone.
     
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    If anyone knows how to access the import data by product that'd be good. I failed to find a free site.
     
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    I found a customs data site, but couldn't make sense of it!
     
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    Yeah. And in an odd way, that fits with this whole thread. Some people want to believe their kink is "normal" and perhaps even "popular." I'm old enough to remember when there was a big battle over whether the percentage of men who were gay was 2% or 10%.

    Who cares?

    Either it's okay or it's not, and the popularity shouldn't change that. Either way.
     
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