Full Belt versus PA Cage

I have tried both, and I am sure everyone’s mileage varies, however - I have a bad ass secured via piercing, it’s way more practical and comfortable than the access denied full belt. Security wise - the cage with a piercing wins.

 

I find it difficult to guide you to what you need ... when the information you give says nothing about what it is you want to get out of it .....
I have belts from Neosteel and I am really happy with mine ....
but because my belts fit me and my needs, it does not mean that they also fit your needs ....
but feel free to write to me if I can help you

 

For the reality of day to day, a PA secured cage can't be beaten. It won't affect your movement, limit your actions or affect the way you sit.

For the feeling of control, absence of choice, and presense of mind that you are locked, you can't beat a full belt. Depends what you are looking to acheieve

 

I have both, Lori's #5 and a Neosteel Sport Model She-Male full belt. I like both other than the no erections. Lol
The belt brings my submissive/crossdressing side out the most. Something about not seeing or able to touch/hold him does it for me. But the belt never lets you forget get your wearing it. I got a PA when I found out I could pull out of the belt while soaking in the tub. Kind of defeated the security aspect. Now I wear a 2ga curved barbell threaded thew the drain hole of the penis tube hidden behind the front two shields. No more pull outs. Without access to the key I'm 100% stuck.
The Lori's came later as sometimes certain times the full belt is impracticable, such as outings with the boys like camping, motorcycling, and fishing. Kind of hard to have to be squatting to pee out in the woods with your buddies around.
Again total security was needed. I can wear the Lori's without anyone being the wiser and is more comfortable for long term lock ups. I had the Lori's custom made to replace the Neosteel penis tube. This gives me a double locking system that needs two keys for release. I can remove the belt but he's still securely locked by the PA post. 200% screwed other than I'm not the one doing the screwing.

 

I love my behind bars belt and am at 7 weeks mostly 24/7. The full belt takes some getting accustom to. The thing I like most is the nite time woodys are limited to a full feeling and no more. With a pa device it takes time for the piercing to heal. I used a pa5000 yrs ago. Stay away from those. The seams crack.

 

Even if you have a belt, you want to have a good cage as a backup for when the belt is not practical. I'd suggest start with the PA and cage first then work on a belt later when you have the extra $. Belts are definitely easier to sleep in, in my opinion.

 

I had worn cheap belts before getting the BB. I have it fitted now where it’s very comfortable. I have the enclosed cage which I like. Open enough to clean but no way to do anything pleasurable. I don’t use the ball ring but do use the back rod. All and all would recommend that belt!!!

 

Chastity isn't worn for comfort. but can be at times. Chastity is worn for contentment that you are your partners only one. Depending on another person for your pleasure is insane at times but can be quite a ride too.

I'm a grower, well was. Ball Trap devices didn't work. My Neosteel makes a erection feel like I'm getting a squeeze. My Lori's makes me frustrated. Love both of them. Crazy I know.

 

I think a cage is far more practical for day to day routine, I’ve yet to try a full belt, but my madam has said she would like to see me in one.

 

I do not understand how you can comment on a full belt so you do here .....
i could never tell anything about what it's like to be in a cock bur @ madams-sissysub.
I'm in a Neosteel belt 24/7 .... I drive a truck like work ... I cut down trees by climbing them, I go hunting, I sail SUP .... I go long trips like 15 - 30 km in my belt and I have NO problems ....
I have no problem sleeping when I'm in the belt ....
after I have surgery for 4 disc herniations I always sleep with a pillow between my knees ... I do not know if it has anything to say but it works for me ......

Since we are all different then it is not certain my belt model will fit another but you HAVE to sit down and see what is on the market and what the equipment should be able to and then see what best suits your needs .. and if you then choose, for example, a Neosteel belt then you have to fill in a measuring form so that the ink fits you and you get the best possible ....

When we have to help others into this world we have to tell what we KNOW and not what we believe as faith does not move mountains

 

I think the cost, wait time, and slow communication stop a lot of people from trying full belts. I think if more people tried them a lot would be much happier. As I said, trapped ball devices just don’t work for me. Some one in another thread said no cage could stop them from getting off. Lock on a BB belt get it fitted and try!!!! Because of the 2 cage design even a vibrator will not work.

 

I think you can wear full belt+ PA

 

Not getting into the "anything is defeat able" argument ... I have been in a BehindBarz belt for a bit more than a year ... I also live and work an active lifestyle, though maybe not as rough as yours (I don't do martial arts or active climbing).

Like you I am a grower ... I also tried the pile of Chinese devices before settling on a real full belt. Very glad we did. Though I see the advantages of the lighter cage with a piercing, My body just didn't want to adapt to a ball trap device...And the idea of a piercing only secured device seemed a bit more risk than we wanted (I am not pierced, and we didn't want to go that route).

Once fitted, the belt is wearable for days at a time (I am allowed to open weekly for a good cleaning).
If you are really challenging to staying secured, BBB does have a pierced option that will secure a PA ring to the end of the tube, and with the front enclosure locked on, you will have no access to the piercing to release yourself from the tube. Or just wear it with the rod installed (and that will keep the belt in place and against your body preventing the last bit of hope for movement).

As to your active lifestyle, I don't think I would participate an any of those activities with any kind of CB device .... the risk of injury just isn't worth it.

 

I found the best luck once I got my PA and went with a Lori 8A. I could wear that continually without unlocking, even for cleaning, indefinitely. I wasn't satisfied with the security since it left so much of the frenulum exposed and I could eventually orgasm with a vibrator. I now wear an Evotion Bijou (upgraded the piercing to an apadravya, too) and it's pretty much the same deal, I can wear it indefinitely.

I also have a MySteel and I really really love that "fully locked" feeling. It turned out to be impractical for everyday wear, for more than a couple days, due to the tube putting too much pressure on my perineum. It also presented much more of a hassle for cleanliness.

One thing balltrap devices have over tube-only PA devices is the 'erection squelching' effect. That isn't quite the case with a tube device, since the erection can happen for the length that's not in the tube.

 

As to wear and pulling out ... The belt is designed to be worn in a couple different configurations; Ring and tube, Ring, Tube and Enclosure, or Ring, tube, Enclosure and rear bar. Some folks can get away without the ring as long as they use the tube, enclosure and rear bar to keep the belt in place. The modular ability is one of the features most of us really appreciate about the BBB.

As to pulling out, without the enclosure, yes I can worm out the back; but the ring is still solidly in place and your member is sticking out at an extreme angle and pinched behind the ring .... I would think any attempt at getting hard like that would be a very painful experience. With the enclosure locked on, if you were able to fish it out the back, getting back in would be impossible (I can't get enough movement to fish out the back with the enclosure locked on). With the rear bar in place, fishing out the back is impossible. Likewise, if you have a PA and are secured to the end of the tube, fishing out the back would be impossible without first unlocking and removing the enclosure.

 

You’ve tried a lot of cages already. Were you able to wear them long term? If they were comfortable but security was the problem then a cage with a PA sounds like the obvious choice.

I could never wear a cage type device long term which is why I got a full belt (Behind Barz). I’m happy with it because it doesn’t rub in the places that cages used to, so I don’t end up with blisters, so I can wear it longer term.

 

1. Me too.

I’m unlocked while doing material arts. It’s not just damage to you but also damage to the person you’re sparing with. I did get accidentally (lightly) kneed in the groin last week. Probably worse both of us had I been locked.

I sometimes run while locked. I’ve done this in both a ball trap device and a neo steel belt. Both cause friction, so only short runs are doable. I’ve worn both while biking, you spend a lot of time standing in the pedals to avoid pressure. If I’m doing serious exercise I get permission to unlock.

2. I struggle a bit with this.

I found a steel belt a lot more comfortable to sleep in. No ball stretching. I can sleep normally in a belt.

Sleeping in a ball trap device is more disrupted, with practice I can sometimes sleep through, but I don’t get as much deep sleep (I’m a little obsessive about using devices to collect health data).

3. Me too

Being a grower in chastity is really hard (pardon the pun). I vary from 2 to 7 inches so ball trap devices can cause painful ball stretching if they allow erections. I found a HT nano to be tight enough to limit expansion and stop stretch pain.

No issues with a neo steel belt.

 

If you can’t wear a cage device long term because of abrasions, a PA isn’t going to help. There are cages with just a PA (no ball ring) which might help but I found them to be pretty uncomfortable, especially the Lori ones which are really heavy.


It sounds like a belt might be a good option for you. I have the Behind Barz flat front belt. I had to request some modifications to make it completely secure (making the tube/shield parts extend back a bit more) but they were very good about making the changes. In my experience, I’d you want to be in any sort of chastity long term, you should expect to need a few modifications, and the fact BB handled it so well is one of the key reasons I recommend them.

With the changes I mentioned, it’s completely secure with either the ball ring or the bottom bar.