Masturbation ban in some U.S. prisons (and gun control generally)

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    #2 Wendygirl, Mar 24, 2016
    Quite right to. Far too much time spent viewing porn and all the disease it causes with boys fiddling all the time.

    Funny country how there views on all sorts of stuff are 50 or 100 years out of date.

    Love the idea that only the black guys got to have over nights .!! That must have made for goid relations with the white guys !!

    Xx Wendy
     
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    #3 Jasmic68, Mar 24, 2016
    The bit that makes me sad is how research shows masturbation levels are rising. I haven't masturbated since I started with chastity last October and now my wife has taken over fully I am unlikely to ever masturbate again. It is the best thing I have ever done sexually as it allows her a much greater ability to tease and deny me. That said I am also highly unlikely to ever go to jail and even less likely for it to be in America.
     
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    #4 ChasteHubby2015, Mar 24, 2016
    I personally think that it's perfectly fine for a female prison guard to write up a prison inmate for masturbating in the shower or in his bed (in the case of the guy who was spotted on camera) if it's against the rules and the female guard feels uncomfortable with that behavior.

    The prison story aside, I would argue that masturbation levels are on the rise because people are more comfortable with their sexuality now, especially women. Female masturbation has time and time again been proven to be beneficial to women and with no negative consequences whatsoever; masturbation and porn use by men, on the other hand, can in many cases (not all) cause harm to relationships and have other psychological consequences.

    On that note, I have been seeing more and more user reviews of male chastity devices by women on Amazon. I recall one woman describing how difficult it was to convince her husband to let her lock him up, as they are not a kinky couple, but she just liked the idea of keeping him chaste and thus more attentive after stumbling across the device online. She ended up liking it so much that she said she intends to upgrade the device to something more secure and make this a permanent part of their relationship, despite his hesitations. She said the beginning was the hardest because he wasn't used to having his relief delayed and wanted out of the device, but that she was glad she stood firm and got through that initial rough period.

    I think masturbation has always been about the same for men, but that it's practiced by significantly more women now than before. It would also seem that more and more women are discovering male chastity by way of other women's testimonials on the positive effect it's had on their relationship. All of this is occurring at a time where more and more women are assuming leadership roles at home and work and more and more men are are assuming subservient roles that had been traditionally held by women. It's all a sign of a societal shift in power that is rapidly occurring. I for one have come to accept and even embrace this inevitable change, but I still need to learn how to assume the role properly.
     
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    #5 tegelad, Mar 24, 2016
    Isn't the point of restricting ones freedom, to force atonement for the crimes done? I think part of the discussion for folks comes down to them placing themselves in their prisoner's dilemma; however, for a person to lose freedom means someone or somethings "freedom" was taken away ...
     
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    #6 steelwaiting, Mar 25, 2016
    I understand a prison saying no to pornography but to ban an inmate from masturbation is a total denial of a basic human right. It amazes me how the people of the USA keep sitting back and watch their rights being removed. From here in Europe the US is becoming more and more a police state. Scary.
     
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    #7 Jasmic68, Mar 25, 2016
    When you see the amount of people killed by their own police in the US that gets even more scary. I am glad I live somewhere where gun ownership is illegal, the entire attitude towards guns just seems to me to be collective insanity. I realize that I will never convince a gun owner otherwise and don't try.
     
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    #8 ChasteHubby2015, Mar 25, 2016
    With all due respect to the opinions of those living outside the United States, please do not unfairly condemn us as a nation for our shortcomings, as every nation has them. Gun ownership is difficult to understand for those not from the United States, however, please understand our situation. We have a government that refuses to remove illegal guns on the street and a significantly high crime rate. One does not feel safe in his or her own home without a gun given the number of armed home invasions that occur daily all across our country.

    The brutality by which criminals have been orchestrating their crimes in people's homes would make the strongest person cringe. It's a more complex issue than simply taking away legally purchased guns. If it were that simple, Belgium would not have suffered the most recent horrific terrorist attack. That's not to say that there isn't anything we can do, but such matters are not as simple as they appear to those of you looking from the outside im.

    Anyway, I did not intend for this to become a debate on gun laws. While one could argue that inmates have the right to masturbate, female prison guards often do feel uncomfortable witnesses to such acts and the system allows for them to enforce measures to deter that behavior. While prisons should always adhere to basic human rights, those rights are often up to interpretation. I do not wish to see our prisons violate anyone's human rights, but I also do not wish to see them turned into the creature comfort living quarters of that Norwegian mass killer. At that point, fear of imprisonment no longer serves as a deterrent to crime.

    I posted this article because I found it interesting and simply wanted to see what people's opinions are on the matter, as I had no idea of this before coming across the article. With all the problems the world has right now, I'm comforted by the thought that societal power will continue to shift to women in the coming years and they will do a much better job of running this world and ridding us of all these problems than men ever did.
     
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    #10 Leiothrix, Mar 25, 2016
    And where do those "illegal" guns come from? The gun fairy?

    No, they start off as perfectly legal guns, legally purchased from a shop or dealer.

    Stopping people from buying anything auto or semi auto would be a good start.

    Having criminal and mental health checks before selling weapons would also be good.

    Registering weapons, regulating transfer between people, and police checking that the registered owner posses the weapon and that it is stored safely would be good.

    Offering a buyback like Australia did would help too.

    If you have a weapon loaded and available to use in a home invasion, that is hardly storing a weapon responsibly is it?

    America just has a huge John Wayne fantasy. Everyone just wants a gun because they want a gun.

    Their education system is garbage, their health care system is garbage, consumer rights are garbage, (no) right-to-work employment system is garbage, legal and political system is garbage, but hey everyone have a gun; makes up for it all right?

    Fear of imprisonment is never a deterrent to crime. Plenty of US states still have the death penalty, people still commit capital crimes regularly. The biggest deterrent to crime is the perceived risk of being caught. If you're dumb enough to do these crimes risk assessment is not one of your strong points.
    The quantity of big cases of Americans being released after 10's of years and declared innocent should be ample reason to make prisons as comfortable as possible. You gain nothing by being a worse person than those you imprison.

    Not that facts will convince anyone of anything, bah.
     
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    #11 ChasteHubby2015, Mar 26, 2016
    You have obviously never lost a loved one to violent crime as I have; otherwise, you would not feel so arrogant as to hurl insults at my country. If you think we are "garbage", as you put it, then live elsewhere, no one is forcing your country to adopt our laws or our way of life, yet you feel so compelled to force your beliefs on others.

    Removing guns from homes will simply mean that we now have nothing to defend ourselves with against armed violent home invaders. Perhaps to you it's just a John Wayne film, but to people like me who have to watch neighbors and friends get raped and killed by violent thugs, it isn't quite that simple. My friend was violently raped in her home, guess what, I'd rather her have been an "irresponsible" person for having a gun in her home because at least she would've stood a chance at defending herself. With your mindset, why don't we just dissolve every nation's military while we're at it and just let the terrorists continue to murder people. Oh and if we do catch one, let's put them under house arrest in a five star hotel, that'll surely make them change their ways. I swear, the level of naivity is mind boggling.

    Almost all gun violence occurs by the use of illegally obtained guns, so none of those so called "responsible" measures you suggest would a thing to reduce gun crime. I understand, you think that the only people who should have guns are law enforcement and criminals, no middle ground. You think that prisons full of murderers, rapists, etc should be like five star hotels paid for by the same people that were victimized by the criminals. You are more concerned with comforting the perpetrators of wicked crimes than with the victims of crime. You think that any nation or people that disagree with you are "garbage".
     
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    #12 ChasteHubby2015, Mar 26, 2016
    Thanks for the link. I think this is a valid argument for why prisons enforce these rules:

    "In 2011, dozens of female workers at the Federal Correctional Complex Coleman, which includes the prison where Bulger is now housed, accused prison officials of failing to take action against inmates accused of deliberately masturbating in front of the women, and threatening them. A class action complaint brought by the female workers is pending before the US Equal Employment Opportunity Commission."
     
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    #13 Leiothrix, Mar 26, 2016
    See, I told you I'd get no where.

    Do your research and think for a bit. Bringing emotion into the issue doesn't help your argument at all, it just shows the lack of at least attempting a rational discourse.

    Almost all gun violence occurs by the use of LEGALLY obtained guns. If they weren't able to be obtained legally, they couldn't be used for crimes. It's not like criminals are importing them across borders, making guns themselves, or even stealing them. They are only labeled "illegal" after the crime, which is somewhat disingenuous; but bumps the ratings on Fox News I'd imagine.

    Most states don't have many in the way of restrictions on who can own a gun. You can be a diagnosed, uncontrolled paranoid-schizophrenic and go and buy a gun legally because there are no mental health checks. You could have just been released from jail on a murder charge and go and buy a gun legally, because there are no criminal checks.

    More than 30,000 people die annually as a result of guns in America. That's >10 11/9's per year. Last year there was more than 1 mass shooting PER DAY in America. There is a lot of hand-wringing, but no one actually wants to do anything about it.

    As for all the "garbage" comments -- have a look at where US ranks amongst civilized countries. The infant mortality rates are pretty terrible. So are the incarceration rates. Try getting sick and see how much that costs you. And lets not get started on the human rights violations -- Guantanamo bay is criminal.

    Most of the people in US jails are there for petty crimes, or they are guilty of being black and/or poor. They don't deserve to be brutalized for possessing a joint. Which given the quality of your police force may or may not have been theirs anyway. Probably better than being shot (by a cop!) though.

    But this is a religious argument; people just worship their idol, evidence be damned.

    And off-topic, but anyway.
     
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    #14 ChasteHubby2015, Mar 26, 2016
    Well, I guess those terrorists obtained their guns in France and Belgium from their local gun store there. I know, perhaps government authorities should send the surviving perpetrators to a five star luxury resort so that their human rights aren't violated like their victims. Your argument is what's "garbage" and has no logic and is proof that you obviously know nothing personally of war, terrorism, or even violent crime. Anyway, I think this conversation has gone way off topic from its intended purpose, so I will refrain from commenting any further out of respect to this site, its staff, and its members. Thank you and good night.
     
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    #15 Leiothrix, Mar 26, 2016
    You've only provided an appeal to emotion, not any actual counterpoints.

    And wow, talk about shifting the argument; there is a whole forest of strawmen.... France and Belgium are kinda no where near USA, and domestic gun use has really nothing to do with war or terrorism. You haven't addressed any points with anything other than a "la la la", nice way to dodge an argument though.

    And bringing up France -- US still has 16 times more gun homicides per 100k, so that was a crapular example.

    The problem with something like terrorism is everyone want's to pin it on someone. "Perpertrator" can mean a nasty bad guy, or someone with brown skin and a funny name who is in the wrong place at the wrong time. The degree of civilization in a society can be judged by entering its prisons. You've already got someone locked in a cage, you don't gain anything by being mean about it.

    How can you justify selling a weapon to a person who is documented as mentally unwell? Or a convicted violent felon? You complained that "the government is not prepared to remove illegal guns from the street" -- but whenever anyone suggests anything to help there is outrage.

    How about some links for you to not read?
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...t-mortality-rate-is-a-national-embarrassment/
    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/guns/procon/guns.html
    https://tracetheguns.org/
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smuggling_of_firearms_into_Mexico -- Hmm -- people smuggle guns INTO Mexico, from the US. Bit backwards huh?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_incarceration_rate

    Don't worry, no one is coming to take your toys away.
     
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    #16 ChasteHubby2015, Mar 26, 2016
    Convicted felons cannot walk into a store in the United States and purchase a gun, so obviously you have no knowledge of the subject besides what you read on the web, whatever you read online must be true, huh. The fact that you are downplaying emotions proves you or your loved ones have never personally experienced war or violent crime. You still can't explain where the terrorists obtained all those weapons in France and Belgium because the real answer is contrary to your argument, so instead you aim to suggest that the terrorists aren't real. Let me guess Mr. facts, you believe some crazy conspiracy theory that the United States did it, huh. Keep believing that as those same terrorists eventually do the same to your country. I said this topic has gone off course and I wish for it to stop out of respect to this site, but you have chosen to disregard that; therefore, I'm blocking you and if you continue to post this off-topic nonsense to my thread, I will report you and have this thread closed.
     
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    #17 salonslave, Mar 26, 2016
    I do realize that this is far from the subject of chastity, but aside from the insults and tone of the current conversation, I am interested in this discourse.
    I would appreciate these two continuing albeit with less anger.
    Please keep going.
    My thoughts: I live in the USA. I own guns. I was inside my neighbor's house with him and the cops right after a breakin. The hoodlum reenterrd the house with my neighbor's stolen 30.06 and a cop
    Shouted for him to DROP THE GUN 3 times then as the hoodlum raised the gun the cop shot him several times as he continued. This was a huge event and it stayed on my mind. . . It still does. One thing I remember is looking inside the ambulance and seeing the body and thinking how glad I was that he was dead.
    While this is an extreme story, it is true.
    Just as a fish probably doesn't feel wet because it is imersed from birth, we in America, having been born into this, cannot see it from the viewpoint of someone outside America.
    I am glad that as a law abiding citizen I can own guns while I am living in America. If I move to a place where almost noone has guns and crime is generally comitted without firearms I will be just fine. (But please don't take my Chastity Belt away!)
    This is a complex issue and there is no quick or easy answer.
    Thank You.
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    #18 ChasteHubby2015, Mar 26, 2016
    I agree with you 100%. Thank you for sharing your experience. I don't mind having the debate, but let's not do so on this thread, as I do not feel it an appropriate place on this site. Perhaps once women are in charge of everything and all men are locked in chastity, we won't have to worry about all these problems that plague us today. ;)
     
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    #19 salonslave, Mar 26, 2016
    You are correct. Also, if God is watching, She wouldn't like it.
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    #20 Astarte, Mar 26, 2016
    Sorry to say, but to me this argument only supports Leiothrix point as there wouldn't have been any danger in the first place if the robber couldn't find any weapon to steal. And if he succeded there would have been one more weapon on the black market to sell.
    If you project this to about 290 milion legally owned weapons you can easily imagine how many of therse weapons will find their way to criminals (even if they might not buy guns legally) via robbery, black market or illegal selling of these weapons.
    But that's only about gangs and other criminals commiting crimes and weapons. If you think about people without criminal record the chance for them to comit crimes with weapons is the higher the easier weapons are accessible. Something you can easily see at the amount of school shootings in the USA compared to the rest of the world.

    @ChasteHubby2015: Even if you really want to compare terrorist attacks with common crime there is no chance that any terrorist could have bought the weapons in europe legally (even if they had no criminal record of some kind) as it isn't allowed to own automatic weapons of any kind in all european counties. In Germany even automatic paintball and softair weapons are prohibited.

    As for the original question I think it somewhat strange that a country that allows every crap due to civil liberties (ownership of automatic guns, Super PACs etc) undermines even essential (human) rights with no thought once someone was found guilty.
    But on the other hand undermining rigths of prisoners makes the upkeep of prisons easier and more profitable the companies who run them...

    As for female officers who need protection from offensive prisoners: If you see how US courts handle any sexual incidents there should be already more than enough laws if prisoners become sexually offensive.
    But the more interesting question is how masturbating in ones bed below the sheets can be offensive to officers when prisoners don't have any more personal place to masturbare...
     
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    #21 ChasteHubby2015, Mar 26, 2016
    In most cases, intruders are already armed. Also, that's exactly my point, the terrorists didn't need to purchase or steal the guns from anyone's home. Let's try to stay on topic though. Female officers find inmates masturbating, even below their sheets, to be offensive. Is it not sexist, disrespectful, and highly offensive to expect our female officers who have to guard these men 24/7 to witness them masturbating?
     
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    #22 salonslave, Mar 26, 2016
    All true points to ponder! When does America jump off the merrygoround? Who else will jump? Who won't jump? How can those who don't give ip guns be punished? Prison industry costs a lot already.
    Re masturbating under the sheets: It reminds me of a joke in which a woman complained about her neighbor's voyerism. "I certainly can see them naked! All I have to do is stand right here on top of my dresser and look through that space in their drapes."
    The new Readers Digest has an article about how difficult prison is.
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    #23 Astarte, Mar 26, 2016
    Again you compare terrorists with regular street thugs who do not have their resources by far. Where do you think the criminals and gangs get their weapons from ? Are their weapons originated from the US before they reached the black market or are they illegaly brought from other counties to the US ? A FBI statistic gives the answer: Above 98% of all illegal weapons in the US were former legaly solt in (to) the US. That you have to decrease the legal weapons - or even regulate them more stongly (you don't even need a firearm locker) - if you want to have any chance to decrease the illegal weapons.
    And this even peculates the fact that 50% of the fatilities results from legal weapons.

    If those men are given no other chance to live out their sexuality I would rather call it offensive to give them not some more privacy and ignore the incident.

    Your prison industry is that expensive ,because until recently prison in the US was only about locking criminals away for as long as possible. Not thinking about resocialization, giving them a realistic chance to leave prison earlier and most important helping them to avoid becoming criminal again. But fortunately there is the beginning of some changes - at least for juvenile detention centres...
     
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    #24 DonnaSue, Mar 27, 2016
    I prefer a reward system wherein a prisoner earns the right to be locked into a unmonitored room, full of porn for a defined period of time. Such a reward is similar to most of us wearing cages hoping to be "rewarded" with sexual release. Instead of attempting to punish, why not reward good behavior with a little harmless "treat"!
     
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    #25 salonslave, Mar 27, 2016
    Does such a reward system exist in any prison that anyone here knows of?
     
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