Policies on the "Pro Domme" issue on CM

To Administrators, moderators and everybody else....

I have been away on holidays - and had some time to think, and to reflect on all the fuzz regarding Pro Domme, fakes identities, and such when I was away…

Hopefully I am a bit wiser now, and would like to give it a go, from a much more constructive viewpoint, that should not be pissing anybody off.. @Mistress Jules has made a excellent thread about this issue while I was away, but she has also made it very clear that is was a personal thread. Therefore I have made a new one, wanting to have a more general debate on the issues...

So............. I like things to be named properly.

Also on the policies regarding the presence of Pro Dommes on CM.

I know some would say , that we are all grown up - and no regulation is needed. I have to disagree. The “laissez faire strategy” has always been a good thing for the strong ones, and hardly ever for the weak ones…

The online sub issue is the real tricky one. When The true identity of the keyholder is never to be revealed to the the sub , millions of ways to exploit opens up. They are my main concern. And I think we all need to help one another. If we present ourselves to new sub members in here - as we do - being open and friendly, helpful and all, we should also offer guidance in how to avoid being a victim of a male scammer etc….

But if adverting for online subs/slaves is a part of CM-policies, then fine with me. I can always leave if I find it to be too much….

When there seems to be a demand their will be a supply as well.

The questions is: Does this trade have a place on CM?

That its to be decided by the owners of the site - and no one else. Any wise owner listen to the sayings on this among site-members , but should of course make their own decision that will support their strategies for the forum. That is their privilege , that is their burden!

But I think it would only be fair and fruitful to all - to be more clear on this.

Pros and cons of a policy
Many of the cat-fights in here - ( Yes, I have been in a couple myself) could be avoided if there was an out spoken policy on this. Some of us speaks up in the name of a cause that others think we should have no saying on. That is for sure battleground material…;-) and leads to an unhealthy creation of fractions on CM.

Of course - an outspoken policy could have drawbacks, making some members leave perhaps, in both cases. A go fro Pro Domes would scare some off, perhaps, but will attract others, and a NO to Pro Domes would have the opposite effects…

Still I think it would only be fair. I You - the owners of this forum - wants eternal peace in here, - and less wrong treatment of Domes and Subs , I would still suggest that a policy is articulated…. I must be quite obvious to everybody that without such policies, the rumble and the cat-fights will reemerge over and over again…

I have just walked through the the constructive thread on the the Pro Domme Question - http://www.chastitymansion.com/forums/index.php?threads/the-pro-domme-question.13083/ by @Mistress Jules , and I think it proves my point: that some sort of outspoken policy would come in handy. Then for instance Mistresses like Mistress Jules would not have to defend themselves, explain themselves to that extend in here…


One could ask a number of questions to the owners of CM:

Is it in your taking on this prudent to have a policy at all?

And if:

What is the policy regarding recruiting of online subs on CM?

What is the policy regarding payment for services. Is it OK not to mention in search for online subs/slaves that the service is as a paid service?

Is it something else if payment is more in the gift department?


How is a pro-Domme defined in CM? And when is it OK for a pro-Dome to advertise on CM?

When she has been a long time member? When she holds one sub for real, is it then OK to advertise for more - typical online subs?


And you can turn it all around:

When is it it OK for the “off-you-go” thread to be activated, -and start telling possible Pro Dommes to leave? Is it OK at all?

And if it is, why is it not something that Administrators decides on…?

Is it OK to push people off the site When they hide behind obviously fake identities? Hardly really, as most in here does just that…

We should all know that Avatars are no ID-card. They are what the maker wants them to be…. and besides copyright issues there is not much to say….

Is is OK only to try and keep the site clean from Pro Dommes business
- from newcomers or should it also be addressed when it comes from already members?

And I could go on and on, with questions, - but I am only trying to make it obvious that some sort of policy would be a great tool to prevent wrongdoings and catfights in here….

No examples...
I could have give a number of examples of the the zig-zag handling of this issues in here, - but I would rather not. I have no intention of starting another cat fight.

I wanted to lift this up from the streets to a discussion about the presence of policies or not….

Hope it will be read - as intended.

The brand new - Pro Dommes business - section!
I have a suggestion - a compromise that could ease the fractions:
If pro Dommes are in fact to some degree allowed to advertise for subs/slaves online or not - in here, I think it should be in a section of its own.
Not the lost and found, - that I think should be kept for trading second hand devices and tools, but a new section , where it is obvious to everyone what is going on.. I know it could somehow still be exploited, but then the off-you-policy , would be a policy that will force people with business on their mind to unfold inside this , and only inside this section of CM. Why not call it “Pro Domme business” , or something more delicate….

An moderator could be assigned just to keep an eye on this….

Just a thought....


Sincerly
BlueEyes

 

Have to correct myself - a little;-) I should have read on the lost and found section more carefully:

"Welcome to our Classifieds section. Are you seeking a Mistress? Do you need a sissy around the house? This is the place to find them. You cannot use this area until you have made 10 posts, purely so people have a chance to get to know you. Our advice - do NOT post here unless you have a display picture and have fully filled out your profile!"

The lost and found section is indeed for "human-trade". And some regulations/policies has been issued. Good.
But quite obviously it is not clear on the "Pro Domme" issue. And quite often "the human trade" pops up in many other sections and threads as well.... Enforcement of policies is very much on the agenda still, a long with policies for dealing with the "Pro Domme issue" in particular. It still seems to me that there is room for a dedicated "pro Domme section - if Pro Dommes are to have a life here in CM.... at all...

 

Thanks for commenting to both of you, I appreciate the good tone ...
I think it is important to reemphasize my point on the reasons for reemerging rumbles and cat fights on the issues. It could to a large extend be connected with a very unclear policy on the "Pro Domme" issue. An maybe That is just the way is will remain. And if so , well - let the smart ones rule the world. What can I say;-) It might works out just fine after all, -or it might not....

Well, at least I am offering part of an explanation to why we end up in this fractions: we are not in sync on the policies, - partly because there are very few....

That is no excuse for having cat fights running wild, - but it offers some comfort after all , to those of us, who thinks we serving a good cause, when we try to assist in keeping this site free from scammers and exploitation.
And it also makes us all - with our different approaches somewhat more human after all.
It is so easy to end up in "battles" when the playground and the rules are so undefined...
That is hard facts....

I am not to decide..... but my objective has never been to push CM towards an over regulated website. My objectives is a concern for scamming and exploitation, but also to suggest the creation of a legal space for Pro Dommes!
If some simple policies could be issued to keep that "business" in a suitable well-labelled place - and avoid reemerging cat fights and fractions - I would be happy...

Yes, this site has been airborne for more than 6 years now.... I think it is fair to say, that now and then you should look into trimming and optimizing. I am sure that it has been done several times in the past. The world outside is not at rest....

Sincerly
BlueEyes

 

I thought that "The Study" was a proper forum for threads like this. Sorry if I got that wrong...
First an foremost I wanted to initiate a debate, not to write 15 pages of legal stuff. ;-)

Cheers
BlueEyes

 

@Mistress Jules - I AM happy with it. Happy with CM. CM has helped me on the do's and don'ts in my introduction of the lifestyle to my wife, and her embrace, has been blessed by that. And the fact that CM is not in general a soliciting site for pro Dommes, was an important stepping stone for my wife's decision to join.
I'm sure that many subs in here would like to see their wives follow a similar path, not being scared of by to strong a representation of the female member reduced to just the professional dominatrix stereotype.
(And may I add before I am misunderstood, that you are in no way in my mind a stereotype dominatrix!! )

A full blown demolition? - I don't see the need for characterizing my thoughts on policies like that. I offer my views on where this site can tighten up, and avoid too much reemerging rumble and creation of unhealthy fractions. That is not demolition in my book. It could be a cultural difference - that my constructive proposals are being received as one-dimensional damaging criticisms, but I doubt it. Not to help anybody to spark life into unhealthy fractioning, but I happen to know many members in here that manage to read my views as intended...

And I did in fact address this thread to administrators and moderations, before the likes of you and others. Please read from the top. and don't tell me that it is unhealthy for the community that this debate is taken out in the open. Or do we have cultural differences here as well?
A strong forum is known by its abilities to master just that.... And I believe this forum to be strong! CM is the best community on the whole internet for a wide range of people engaged in the chastity lifestyle. It is the "Google equivalent" - not poised with a lot of professional adds and exploitation.

Let us all support the efforts to keep it like that.

With kind regards - and good night to You. I will go and cuddle up next to my lovely wife..
BlueEyes