Does God exist

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Where do you sit on the scale? Votes are anonymous, though please do explain

  1. 1. Strong theist. 100% probability of God

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  2. 2. De facto theist. Very high probability but short of 100%

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  3. 3. Leaning towards theism. Higher than 50% but not very high

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  4. 4. Completely impartial. Exactly 50%

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  5. 5. Leaning towards atheism. Lower than 50%

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  6. 6. De facto atheist. Very low probability, but short of zero

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  7. 6.9 Is this more accurate to you.

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  8. 7. Strong atheist. "I know there is no God"

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    #151 Tricky-, Nov 16, 2023
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    I can't find one in Arabic why don't yeah show me one. The challenge isn't to write a book in your own language. I know you can't show me a book written in Arabic which is going to replace the Quran . Even your best mathematician can't match the mathematical miracles of the Quran. Here a Small of the thousands mathematical miracles of the Quran the chapter 53 "the stars" here the star Sirius is mentioned and this is the only star mentioned in the whole Quran. The word star appears on the first verse and the word earth appears in the 32 verse and they are separated by exactly 861 letters and the distance from earth to Sirius is 8.61 light years.
     
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    He was illiterate and this has been proven by historians what are you saying is oh he was illiterate but somehow managed to read xD. He didn't knew how to read or write. Oh if he has copied his idea show a Tao Te Ching Arabic translation from 6th century . Arabic, Hebrew and aramic is more advanced than any language. you better be able to show me a book written in Arabic.
     
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    Tell us more what your great book says about the lgbtq community and women's rights.
     
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    I like the length of your post. Seriously, I'm prone to write a small book. There's any number of points I could pick up on. But let's just take the last: That of how could God create an imperfect species? That is what the book of Genesis is all about. Adam and Eve were perfect but were also given free will and chose to eat from the tree of knowledge. But yes, Genesis is a story that attempts to explain creation. It's not literal. Still, the point is that God created "perfect" humans, but with one intentional drawback, free will. The fact that humans misuse that is on us, not God.

    You're points are mostly valid, throughout but I'd suggest you are taking things too literally. But then again, I interpret religion very liberally. I am someone who does not take the bible literally, particularly the old testament. I view the old testament, much the same way as you, stories to help explain things to people not very educated, in a form that wasn't written down. It is meant as a roadmap for living more than an accurate history. The new testament is a bit different, but still, most of that wasn't written down till long after the events occurred. If you focus only on the new testament, you would see a much more tolerant, compassionate, view of God. It doesn't really try to explain the origin of anything but rather primarily tries to help folks interpret how to live and how to make sense of conflicting messages in the old testament and in the governments and religious leaders of the day. If you sat down and read the new testament, you probably would say, "sure, I'm ok with most of what it says". Because really it focuses on how to be good.

    Now if you're point is that many religions today that claim they are Christian and claim to follow the new testament are in fact seriously flawed and have missed the message, I'd say you are right. It is distressing. What you are seeing though is imperfect people attempting to create a church consisting of other imperfect people. The result is imperfect. Using that result as something that proves there is no God isn't really valid.

    If you read my other posts on this topic, my feeling has been, you can't prove there is a God or there isn't. It is relegated to "faith". I believe it's ok to not believe in God. I do not believe that a belief in God is necessary for salvation (assuming there is some form of afterlife). I don't believe any of that is important anyway. I believe what is important is to "feel joy", "see beauty", "be humble", "help others". For the most part, I believe that is the message of the new testament.
     
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    OMG you totally proved it to.

    Please write more about how god exists.
     
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    Science of the Quran - Seems like Aristotle had written about much of this and it was common knowledge of the time.
     
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    If we were created perfect, then we wouldn't have the recurrent laryngeal nerve in mammals (it is massively long in giraffes). ALL life evolved from a single cell self-replicating molecule, to appear designed, that is clear.

    https://www.onezoom.org/life/@biota=93302

    I'm pretty sure, you personally wouldn't refute that fact. I think religions are running out of places to hide their gods.

    Of the fundamental questions, what caused the so called big bang? That gets hard to solve, as time and space converge and the math stops working because of that. That's my understanding. So that is where, we can postulate the presence of an intelligent button pusher. Personally I think that leads to the question of who created the creator? And, that leads us into an infinite regress, and an infinite increase in complexity. So saying the universe started from nothing, is the only parsimonious answer. It seems more probable to me. It is not an easy one at all. It doesn't sit in the fact pile, but then neither does the supernatural.
     
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    Mate you still couldn't give me a book which is supposed to debunk that before that Quran can't be written by any human or jin. Just shut up and show me that
     
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    Mate if i am not mistaken this books weren't written in Arabic. He is trying to debunk Quran without any proper souces lol. If that was actually true then adam seeker and david wood would have been famous lol. Why can't they proof this cause they know this are false





    Your evolution doesn't exists cause you can't even proof macro evolution lol even the people who gave this theory believed in god . If we really evoluted from monkey then why does monkey exist? And where are half human half monkeys? And where are the half human half bird xD?
     
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    You just keep talking in circles don't you lol. Notice you haven't spread the word of allah when it comes to treatment of women or the lgbtq community. Please enlighten us
     
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    Mate, I don't work for you, lol.

    Also, you're the one making extraordinary claims, you are the one that needs to present extraordinary evidence, and so far you have just spouted bullshit.

    Also, one cannot shut up and show you. Pick one, poppet, or shut up.
     
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    You really are a very ignorant hominid. We share a common ancestor with chimpanzees about 6 million years ago. The environment of the Chimpanzee has stayed similar to 6 million years ago, so they look more like that common ancestor. Our environment has changed a lot, so we evolved to be less like them and now walk upright. Both human and chimpanzee are equally evolved, just have different enviromental histories.
     
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    Planet wide problems are out of my pay grade. I’m not God and God is not my servant that I can dictate to him. I trust Gods wisdom. I believe in a personal God. I have asked Him about such big topics, but I didn’t hear any answer. To those who wonder if there is a God, just pray and ask him to reveal himself personally in some way. As others have said it’s about faith. A little revelation and you may find a seed faith. I had a coworker who was an atheist and one day God told me to bring him a book. So I picked a Christian book to him and said he might find it interesting. Not many days later he told me he was so astonished that as he read and thought of questions somehow every question he had an answer would come to his mind. I told him that God was answering his questions as he read. My point is to open the door and let God speak to you.
     
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    The proposition that the Quran cannot be replicated suggests to me that it is utter nonsense, not that it is perfection. I have no intention or interest in replicating nonsense. Furthermore, repeatedly scoffing at everyone who disagrees with you and repeating yourself without presenting new or convincing evidence for the existence of gods, makes you come across as ignorant. You're just a boy. Go out into the world and learn about people different from yourself. Do so with an open mind and you might not die an ignorant old man. Peace be upon you.
     
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    But if you are correct, planet wide problems are not out of God's pay grade, and if he is all good, end child poverty now. 6 children per minute. 3.1mill per year die in pain and suffering because of malnutrition. Most parents who's child has cancer and dies pray for a miracle and God never answers them.
     
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    Right, but out of my understanding. I sometimes think of it like a parent. If my 3 year old wants to play with matches I’ll say “no” regardless of how mean he thinks I am. For me, just because I don’t understand his reasons to only answer some prayers doesn’t cause me to question him or his existence. Because I have a relationship with him I have the trust and faith that He knows what he’s doing regardless of my perspective. I’ve certainly had times though when I’ve been mad and thought He’s either unwilling or unable to help me. Most of the time it’s a consequence of my own doing and he seems to not rescue me from my own choices much of the time.
     
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    Also, the first chapter of the bible explains this all. God purposely gave man free will and the repercussions that come from that. It is a non argument to say that's a proof of no God when the bible begins with that fact.
     
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    I have been hearing his when i first start debating. If this is not unique then some has to do it right? I mean hundreds of people has tried talentex people. Why no one succeeded? I mean people has tried and according to you it's not unique then why is that? I mean if you atheist can make a book then it will debunk Quran right? The biggest threat to Aetheism. If all of a sudden everyone accepts islam that will do what? The gambling industry will fell, the alcohol industry will fell the porn industry will fell there are more. I mean you should do some research if god didn't exist you better be able to exam what was before big bang and how did it happened.
     
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    It has been mentioned in the Quran too. If God didn't give human free right then how would be judge you? When god said both in bible and the Quran that he knows Everything and he knows your future that doesn't mean he has set your future. He can see the future and and know what you will do. A knife can be used for both good and bad does that mean you will only mentioned the worse thing? Again it has been mentioned in the bible and the Quran that of god didn't exist then who will judge your bad deeds? The serial killers who has killed hundreds of people who is going to judge that?
     
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    So either God is being mean when he allows all this suffering, or it's just part of his big evil plan to only help people with the superficial stuff
     
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    There is no proof that there are no gods. That misrepresents. More accurately, there is no proof that there are gods. The bible cannot be used as evidence. Neither can the Quran.
     
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    Why do you watch porn?
     
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    They are called judges, or magistrates. And we have jury's!
     
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    The Hitchhikers Guide To The Galaxy reveals the answer to life, the universe and everything including whether God exists and if he/she exist can be destroyed in a puff of logic.

    Failing that, 42 is the answer.

    A
     
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    I bearly even watch it i am trying to quit it for a while and it's working. It's been a long time since i have actually watched any.
     
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