Covid-19 and Life

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    Big Bird vs Cat Turd.

    Let’s not forget TFM. The Turd Flinging Monkey.
     
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    Elon Musk: The Esteemed Little Elf Files to Drop Later This Week – 2023 Is About to Get Interesting!

    Remember This?
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    Well ... Now There Is This:

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    Popcorn Anyone?
     
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    When are you guys going to get back to normal?
     
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    When you accept you've been conned.

    Ignore us, we're not doing you any harm. Carry on with your life.
     
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    OMG forever and ever.
     
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    I'm with you. As more and more facts come to light the far left says we should ignore their past actions and move on. They never repent, and they sure as hell didn't ask for forgiveness.
    What's so frightening is these are people that wanted us eliminated. They wanted us locked up or even executed while fighting to end the death penalty for violent killers and people who do awful crimes.

    Frankly, I'm not ready to forgive them. In fact, I think they need beg for forgiveness and admit the error of their ways. But I also think you're 100% right and it'll be a long time before that happens.
     
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    So let me get this right, you're "for science" but against anyone who questions things? You call anyone who disagrees with you a conspiracy theorist?

    Fauci is wrong, no one "is science" and science is never settled. Questioning and challenging the norms are what makes science. We can believe we have settled scientific items, but the constant questioning moves us further and further into understanding.

    Likewise, questioning authority isn't wrong, it keeps those we elect honest. I'd rather live in the USA where we can speak our mind (for now) than China, Cuba, or N. Korea. When I criticize Biden, Trump, Obama or Bush I do so because I can and because I feel the did something that didn't serve the nation or the world well.

    So far, I've seen nothing that you've posted that helps anyone. Folks here however share things that show Fauci, the CCP and others are harming people. Worse idiots like the former Governor of NY actually did things that caused people to die. And they're aware of what they're doing.

    So if I have no love for them, or people who support them, I'm not a conspiracy theorist, I'm an American who is proud of my country and of those who love the USA. I support my fellow lovers of freedom in Canada, the UK and anyplace else that is against people like Fauci, Xi, etc.
     
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    Mike Pompeo: Chi Coms Are Trying to Infect World with New Coronavirus Variant – US Must Ban Incoming China Travelers
    China got away with its first BIG laboratory-manufactured coronavirus pandemic in 2020. So did The Esteemed Little, the Chi Coms’ partner in crime, who helped fund the gain of function research. There was never any repercussions for creating the virus or for allowing the virus to spread and then lying to the global community about their role in the deadly pandemic.

    So why not try it again? Chi Com officials know they own the World Health Organization. The socialist WHO Chief Tedros Ghebreyesus is under their thumb. And the progressive American tech giants gladly censor any truths or discussions that put blame on the Xi Jinping or the Chinese Communist Party.

    On Sunday, former Secretary of State and CIA Chief Mike Pompeo warned that China is plotting to infect the entire world with a new strain of the coronavirus in the new year.

    Pompeo called on the US and global leaders to immediately shut down travel from China.

    The Daily Mail reported:

    Former Secretary of State Mike Pompeo insists the U.S. – and the world – should shut down accepting travel from China right after the Communist country announced it would be easing travel restrictions in the New Year.

    He warned that Chinese President Xi Jinping has a plot to infect the world and spread a new COVID-19 variant after ‘the whole world has been through hell.’

    China, which has the most stringent COVID-19 restrictions still in place, announced last month that it would start allowing travel out of and into the country following three years of ‘zero COVID’ policies.

    Several countries, including the U.S., immediately said Chinese travelers would be required to test negative for coronavirus before boarding flights.

    ‘It sounds like we might have as many as 1 million Chinese people infected. Fifty percent of their population traveling,’ Pompeo told Cats Roundtable host John Catsimatidis in a Sunday interview.”


    Right now it’s just the “Louis Vuitton Class” who are traveling ... wait until the end of the month when the Chinese National Holiday starts and the real hoards of Chinese start to hit the roads ... or take to the skies!

    See:
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    If I was Prime Minister the first thing I would set up is a Department of Not Wasting Public Money.
     
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    #4560 MtnViper, Jan 2, 2023
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    The new and improved booster doesn't appear to be highly effective:

    "Summary: Among 51011 working-aged Cleveland Clinic employees, the bivalent COVID-19 vaccine booster was 30% effective in preventing infection, during the time when the virus strains dominant in the community were represented in the vaccine."​

    Effectiveness of the Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) Bivalent Vaccine


    A doctor posted information from this study on Twitter. They were drawing attention to this:


    "Risk of COVID-19 increased with time since the most recent priornCOVID-19 episode and with the number of vaccine doses previously received."

    Their conclusion:


    "Conclusions. The bivalent COVID-19 vaccine given to working-aged adults afforded modest protection overall against COVID-19, while the virus strains dominant in the community were those represented in the vaccine."​


    "Risk of COVID-19 based on prior infection and vaccination history


    "The risk of COVID-19 varied by the phase of the epidemic in which the subject’s last prior
    COVID-19 episode occurred. In decreasing order of risk of COVID-19 were those never previously
    infected, those last infected during the pre-Delta or Delta phase, those last infected during the Omicron BA.1/BA.2 phase, and those last infected during the Omicron BA.4/BA.5 phase (Figure 1).

    "The risk of COVID-19 also varied by the number of COVID-19 vaccine doses previously
    received. The higher the number of vaccines previously received, the higher the risk of contracting

    COVID-19 (Figure 2)."

    The presumption now is that if you don't get the vaccine or boosters you are a "risk taker," rather than possibly being someone not wanting to risk adverse side effects. The presumption is that the vaccines are "safe and effective" for everyone. Keep in mind, these are all employees of Cleveland Clinic Health System, but not necessarily health care professionals, but still.

    "Those who chose to get the bivalent vaccine were also more likely to have lower risk-taking
    behavior with respect to COVID-19, having the effect of a higher risk of COVID-19 in the non-boosted state (as those who chose not to get the bivalent vaccine, expectedly with higher risk-taking behavior, remained in the non-boosted state throughout the duration of the study), thereby again potentially overestimating vaccine effectiveness.

    The majority of people in the US have been infected with Covid 19:

    "A seroprevalence study conducted by the CDC found that by February 2022, 64% of the 18-64 age-group population and 75% of children and adolescents had serologic evidence of prior SARS-CoV-2 infection [20], with almost half of the positive serology attributed to infections that occurred between December 2021 and February 2022, which would have predominantly been Omicron BA.1/BA.2 lineage infections.​

    Under Discussion it states"

    "The association of increased risk of COVID-19 with higher numbers of prior vaccine doses in our study, was unexpected. A simplistic explanation might be that those who received more doses were more likely to be individuals at higher risk of COVID-19.

    ...

    "Therefore, those who received fewer than 3 doses (>45% of individuals in the study) were not those ineligible to receive the vaccine, but those who chose not to follow the CDC’s recommendations on remaining updated with COVID-19 vaccination, and one could reasonably expect these individuals to have been more likely to have exhibited higher risk-taking behavior.


    "This is not the only study to find a possible association with more prior vaccine doses and higher risk of COVID-19. A large study found that those who had an Omicron variant infection after previously receiving three doses of vaccine had a higher risk of reinfection than those who had an Omicron variant infection after previously receiving two doses of vaccine [21]. Another study found that receipt of two or three doses of a mRNA vaccine following prior COVID-19 was associated with a higher risk of reinfection than receipt of a single dose [7]. We still have a lot to learn about protection from COVID-19 vaccination, and in addition to a vaccine’s effectiveness it is important to examine whether multiple vaccine doses given over time may not be having the beneficial effect that is generally assumed.
    "
    Color code for this graph: Black 0 doses, Red 1 dose, Green 2 doses, Blue 3 doses, Pink, +3 doses.

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    This excerpt from your post really nails it:

    “The presumption now is that if you don't get the vaccine or boosters you are a "risk taker," rather than possibly being someone not wanting to risk adverse side effects. The presumption is that the vaccines are "safe and effective" for everyone. Keep in mind, these are all employees of Cleveland Clinic Health System, but not necessarily health care professionals, but still.“
     
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    Rasmussen Poll Shows that 1-in-4 Americans Believe They Know Someone Who Died from Chinese Coronavirus Vaccine
    According to Rasmussen Reports:

    Nearly half of Americans think COVID-19 vaccines may be to blame for many unexplained deaths, and more than a quarter say someone they know could be among the victims.

    The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey finds that (49%) of American Adults believe it is likely that side effects of COVID-19 vaccines have caused a significant number of unexplained deaths, including 28% who think it’s Very Likely. Thirty-seven percent (37%) don’t say a significant number of deaths have been caused by vaccine side effects, including 17% who believe it’s Not At All Likely. Another 14% are not sure.


    Twenty-eight percent (28%) of adults say they personally know someone whose death they think may have been caused by side effects of COVID-19 vaccines, while 61% don’t and another 10% are not sure.
    ...

    Forty-eight percent (48%) of Americans believe there are legitimate reasons to be concerned about the safety of COVID-19 vaccines, while 37% think people who worry about vaccine safety are spreading conspiracy theories. Another 15% are not sure.”

    Actually, Rasmussen should have asked how many people think the last 3 years have been stolen from them and whether they are totally pissed-off with the Big Pharma Industrial Complex, the federal government, The Esteemed Little Elf, Dr. Silk Scarf, and all the other Coronavirus Criminals.


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    https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/public_surveys/died_suddenly_more_than_1_in_4_think_someone_they_know_died_from_covid_19_vaccines
     
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    DR. JOHN COMMENTS ON MASS INFECTION IN CHINA


    And guess what ... he claims that the Chinese have been bribing testing officials to obtain a negative PCR test! Who would have ever thought?
     
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    ANECDOTALS

    A compassionate exploration of the nuanced vaccine debate.
    While the vaccine debate grows more divided, those with adverse reactions get stuck in the middle.

    Video is also available on Rumble.

     
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    In a second Rasmussen survey:

    "Sixty-eight percent (68%) of adults say they’ve gotten a COVID-19 vaccination, and a majority (56%) of vaccinated adults report no side effects from the vaccine. Thirty-four percent (34%) say they had minor side effects and seven percent (7%) reported major side effects from the vaccine."

    Concerns About COVID-19 Vaccines Remain High from Wednesday, December 07, 2022
     
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    The anecdotal evidence is what’ll kill this thing. Let’s not EVER stop sharing info like this.
     
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    Biggest over reaction of all time.

    The lockdown lovers will say claim that lockdowns saved lives, yet they also say the purpose of lockdowns was not to save lives, they were just to slow the spread so hospitals were not overwhelmed, so that excuse doesn't work.

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    More proof that we are living during mankind’s greatest mistake.
     
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    I KNOW ITS A BIT LATE ... I’M SURE MR. BOURLA WAS SWAMPED WITH SO MANY TO SEND OUT ... BUT I JUST GOT MY CHRISTMAS CARD FROM PFIZER
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    A followup to this post from November 23, 2022.

    I followed a Twitter thread today and found this information:

    "Once thought to be exceedingly rare, sudden cardiac death is far more prevalent among young athletes than previously believed, recent research has shown. In a policy statement published in the journal Pediatrics last month, the American Academy of Pediatrics estimated that 2,000 people under the age of 25 die from sudden cardiac arrest in the United States every year."
    Should Young Athletes Be Screened for Heart Risk? April 30, 2012

    This article was mentioned in a Twitter discussion about a website that mentions a high number of sudden cardiac arrest deaths associated with athletes, and "possibly" Covid 19 vaccination, around the world. People are commenting on flaws with the website's data. If the US may see 2,000 deaths in a single year, what is the number we might expect globally? Crude math indicates over 48,000.

    Be careful of trying to extrapolate truth from news articles.

    A Tweet also mentioned this article: Long-term cardiovascular outcomes of COVID-19

    The cardiovascular complications of acute coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) are well described, but the post-acute cardiovascular manifestations of COVID-19 have not yet been comprehensively characterized. Here we used national healthcare databases from the US Department of Veterans Affairs to build a cohort of 153,760 individuals with COVID-19, as well as two sets of control cohorts with 5,637,647 (contemporary controls) and 5,859,411 (historical controls) individuals, to estimate risks and 1-year burdens of a set of pre-specified incident cardiovascular outcomes. We show that, beyond the first 30 d after infection, individuals with COVID-19 are at increased risk of incident cardiovascular disease spanning several categories, including cerebrovascular disorders, dysrhythmias, ischemic and non-ischemic heart disease, pericarditis, myocarditis, heart failure and thromboembolic disease. These risks and burdens were evident even among individuals who were not hospitalized during the acute phase of the infection and increased in a graded fashion according to the care setting during the acute phase (non-hospitalized, hospitalized and admitted to intensive care). Our results provide evidence that the risk and 1-year burden of cardiovascular disease in survivors of acute COVID-19 are substantial. Care pathways of those surviving the acute episode of COVID-19 should include attention to cardiovascular health and disease.​

    With the amount of asymptomatic Covid-19 infection, it may be very difficult to distinguish between the side effects of the virus vs the vaccine. Simply because someone never tested positive for an infection doesn't mean they never had it, possibly more than once.
     
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    THE REAL CHINESE CORONAVIRUS INFECTION FATALITY RATE
    According to a new study published January 1st:

    ∗ Across 31 systematically identified national seroprevalence studies in the pre-vaccination era, the median infection fatality rate (IFR) of Chinese Coronavirus was estimated to be 0.034% for people aged 0–59 years people and 0.095% for those aged 0–69 years.

    ∗ The median IFR was 0.0003% at 0–19 years, 0.002% at 20–29 years, 0.011% at 30–39 years, 0.035% at 40–49 years, 0.123% at 50–59 years, and 0.506% at 60–69 years.

    ∗ At a GLOBAL LEVEL, pre-vaccination IFR may have been as low as 0.03% and 0.07% for 0–59 and 0–69 year old people, respectively.

    ∗ These IFR estimates in non-elderly populations are lower than previous calculations had suggested.

    Any large differences found between nations were pegged to differences in factors like comorbidities.

    Human rights were violated, lives were turned inside out and upside down, economies were crippled, citizens were deliberately lied to and turned into lab rats ... FOR THAT!


    See:
    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S001393512201982X

     
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    AND NOW FOR SOME HAPPIER NEWS ...

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    REMEMBER THOSE PESKY MASKS? ... WELL THE EXPERTS HAVE DETERMINED THEY ARE ACTUALLY GOOD FOR SOMETHING

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    A succinct warning for forever:
    To rulers, FREEDOM is the virus, and must be eradicated.
     
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