I want to pledge my support for the Ukraine and it’s citizens

Let us also mention that Biden was fraudulently elected.

 

I’d rather hit Biden supporters with facts they can’t validly dispute. As soon as we go there they can go off on their anti Trump rants.

I’d rather pound them on the Afghanistan fiasco
How Iran is getting nukes
How North Korea is a problem again

how gas prices are through the rough
How illegal immigrants are a massive problem

how terrorism is a rising concern
How nothing has been done in the last year to end Covid
How all the Biden Admin does is blame Trump, Putin and anyone but themselves, yet all they do are things to make our lives worse.

I’d rather discuss election concerns and free speech, intimidation and such in another discussion.

I’d also rather not hijack this thread which is ironic as those who “pledge support for Ukraine” are doing what? Flying a flag? Saying words?

Are they standing and fighting? Are they doing anything tangible?

Frankly when I see this I see Biden supporters. People who have no clue how the world works. People who don’t do actual work. People who think they’re better than others and feel they are above anything and everyone.

Personally I don’t know what we do for Ukraine. A good Russian friend of mine has sent them money, has taken donations and is doing all they can to help the people of Ukraine. I think it’s great. Have people here given money? Food? Or just words?

 

You have no idea how much I agree with you.

 

Killed an awful lot of Russians. The military aid, both material and training, has been used to very good effect. They've performed well beyond what anyone expected of them, which is somewhat inconvenient for everyone pledging support. They have to back it up now.

Not wrong.

I've sent the Ukrainian military money and intend to be keep doing so. If it does nothing but buy them coffee, so be it. A good chunk of my extended family got to live under Soviet rule. My grandfather had multiple siblings die and didn't get to see his surviving relatives until 1993. He left in 1945.

I was on the fence until the Ukrainians actually stood and fought.

 

As effectively as the Ukrainians have fought, the fact that the Russian military has performed astounding bad hasn't hurt.

Inadequate logistics, seeming lack of planning and communications, unfocused and extremely brief air campaign. On top of the usual Russian military problems of shit officers and NCOs.

But it has been astoundingly bad. Lessons the Russians really should have learned from Chechnya and Syria, like deploying infantry as a screening force ahead of armor, has been ignored. So Russian armor has been dying in droves.

Not that the infantry have been much better. Hence why they've also been dying in droves.

 

I think your description is spot on. I don't have much experience in military tactics and strategy, but it appears the logistics part was particularly bungled. Stranded convoys? You've got to be kidding me.

 

Command and control failures plays a big role in that too. Units got lost, out paced what supply lines existed. Then resupply efforts were fucking terrible. Again, lessons the Russians should have learned. Convoy operations in Afghanistan and late Chechnya, you send trucks and armored vehicles and infantry to protect them.

Most of Ukraine was seemingly just unescorted trucks. Ukrainian light infantry and special operations guys were readily able to chew them up.

Very good twitter thread by a smart guy about a lot of the Russian military's failures:

https://twitter.com/kamilkazani/status/1502673952572854278

 

> "And maybe if you take off your partisan glasses"
What? Points of which party? Glasses of the Social Democrats? I am not even an American and have never been to America, and I certainly do not consider myself a member of the American Democratic Party, since it is right and I am left.

> "And maybe if you take off your partisan glasses you’d see Trump actually campaigned on infrastructure to get elected. How he did on that can be debated but Biden wasn’t the first"

Oh yes, Trump conducted a general campaign for infrastructure repairs, but did nothing in his four years in office. Biden is already pushing the infrastructure package in Congress.

> "Second the economic mess we are in is Biden returning us to Obama’s mess. And adding even more horrific policies. Trump reversed most of Obama’s bad policies and we saw how fast the economy improved."

The economy of the first year of government is always the consequences of the economic decisions of the previous administration. And today it is also the consequences of a pandemic and war. Biden has nothing to do with any of this.
And what "Obama mess" are you talking about? During the Obama presidency, economic growth was higher than under Trump, and there were not 40 million people without health insurance under Trump.

> "Fifth he’s done nothing for the pandemic except to keep a power hungry idiot in an over paid position. Did you know Fauci is paid more than Biden?"

Well, actually he did. He literally carried out the largest vaccination in American history and provided economic assistance to the population. This is not very similar to Trump, during whose administration there were 40 million Americans without health insurance.

As for Fauci, he is a highly qualified specialist and the opinion of the cattle about him does not matter.

> "Now don’t get me wrong. I’ve never liked Trump. But the economy was much better under Trump. He got the vax through, he sent hospital ships to NY and CA. And he did stuff unlike Biden who can’t even remember what town he’s in. And he didn’t get us in wars and countries didn’t laugh at us. They didn’t like us but they respected us."

Did things? Which? Did he fix the infrastructure? No.
Did he vaccinate? No.
Did he provide economic growth? No.
Did he get involved in wars? LOL, is that what you call the disgraceful withdrawal of the US from Afghanistan, which Trump signed, leaving Biden with a smaller part of the American continent? Is that what you call the shameful surrender of American allies to the Kurds? Is that what you call collusion with the Russian government and refusing to help Ukraine? Nobody respected the US under Trump, you lost the trade war to China, not to mention that your country had 40 million people without access to healthcare.

> "So you can have Biden. I’d rather have Trump or anyone not associated with the American Communist Party aka Democrats right now. If the Dems moved to the center then I’d consider voting for one again. But right now I’d rather support people that will run the economy and defense properly than a bunch of idiots who support crime, bad policy and don’t understand economics,"

The US Democratic Party is right-wing, it has nothing to do with the Communist Party in any way. And yes, it's funny to hear something about the right defense policy from a person who supports Trump. Trump almost destroyed the entire NATO bloc, shamefully fled from Afghanistan with a shameful treaty, spat on the American allies of the Kurds, refused to help Ukraine, failed to achieve Obama's economic growth rates, and literally completely destroyed the American tax system with the help of economic reform, reforms that repeated the degenerate policy of Reaganomics, which in turn is the cause of the degradation of American infrastructure and social security.

 

You are clueless
The Democrats are right wing?

I’m not even going to rip apart the bullshit which is all that the Democrats are spewing.

 

Yes, the Democrats are right-wing by any European standards. No free education policy, no free healthcare policy, no decent welfare policy. The Republicans are just to the right. If you want to look at the parties on the left, you can look at the Scandinavian countries and their social democracy policies.

 

This should comment should be removed because this is the stuff that trump supporters kept on pushing with having no evidence and I truly mean no evidence.
This what I do and I can say it here with out anyone knowing me and If you want to help the people in Ukraine I put five euro to the Red Cross every week and I do this through my online bank account. It is a very small amount but I believe that it is better for a lot of people give a little rather than a few people giving a lot.

 

I said I’m not going to argue with you.
I don’t t care about European politics and your far left nonsense. I don’t want to look at any of the stupidity going in there. And just because you folks have gone insane doesn’t mean that we need to too.

So Please leave me alone.

 

Why should it be removed?

Maybe independent and honest investigation into voter fraud needs to be done. The Democrats have a long history of it. Here in Va we had a case where a JMU student was caught register dead people to vote. He was caught because A county registrar saw a and they knew and started investigating.

Now I’m an independent so don’t give me the BS that I’m biased. I just want to know that our elections are honest and fair. And I’m also against censorship. So as long as it’s an honest discussion it should remain,

I agree with you the Red Cross is an excellent organization to donate to.

 

Hilarious, it's good you trying to cheer people up with your jokes.
We are all so envious of how good life is over there.

 

Ahhhh, Spider. My friend who works for the Department of Homeland security showed me photos of PALLETS of fake ballots they seized.....all filled out for Biden.

He found them. Saw them. Photographed them. Oversaw the destruction of them.

It's enough evidence for me.

We are ALL being lied to. Both sides. Every day.

And it sure is interesting how the "left" has finally found a war they support. Whatever happened to the "let's stop killing people to show that killing people is wrong"? But you keep sending money. Where do you think it ends up?

 

I wish stupid political arguments like idiotic conspiracy theories about elections would finally end. That's what I want to say to all Ukrainians on this site. I am ashamed of the Russian government, for a very long time, but now much, much stronger ... Now there is a catastrophe. I believe that most Russians do not support all this horror. Most Russians don't like war. Most Russians do not need this imperial schizophrenia, 24% inflation and poverty. I know for sure that all this will end and good people will be able to live a normal life again. We all just need to get through this hell.. once again, my apologies.