So I'm about to place my order with Mature Metal, and I'd like to make sure I'm not doing anything obviously wrong before I do so (since this is going to be about a week's worth of my scholarship!). I have been emailing Mature Metal about this, but I figured an extra few opinions wouldn't hurt (I think I tend to also confuse them by asking multiple questions at a time ) I'm uncut, and I my anatomy is that of a "grower". Currently I'm self-locking (though I hope this will change soon! ) As a comparison, I wear the CB-2000 with the 1 3/4" ring (it seemed a little loose, but the 1 1/2" ring was too small). The cage portion is stated to have a length of 2.5", but I find my foreskin and meatus poke through the bars and get pinched :s So my thinking with getting a Mature Metal device is: Queen's Keep (I think it looks a bit nicer than the Jailbird whilst still being open enough for hygiene purposes) Oval double base ring of size 1 3/4" (I ordered the sizing rings; the 1 3/4" ring slides a bit when I push/pull it on the top or bottom, but whilst I can put the 1 5/8" ring on it seems too tight and I'm guessing the slight ovalling will help prevent the sliding) Length of 2 3/4" (I keep measuring about there or just over; the instructions say to take off 1/4" but the 2 1/2" of the CB-2000 is definitely too short) Cage diameter of 1 1/2" (this is the same internal diameter as the CB-2000; it seemed a little roomy, but even when flaccid I need to jiggle the 1 3/8" ring on) Security screw Would it be worth my getting a second base ring of size 1 5/8" in case I do get used to the device and need a smaller ring? It's currently mid-spring here and relatively warm, so I don't think I'll need to get a larger ring (especially as I tend to go home for Christmas, etc. and don't want to wear the device whilst around my family). I did think about getting either the spike strip or the anti-pullout pins, but I'm not into CBT, have no intention of pulling out, and would rather save the money (If it was possible to add or remove the pins without needing to unlock the device, I'd think about the anti-pullout pins for times when I'm going to a fetish party or otherwise socialising with a Dominant Female as then someone would actually get amusement from my predicament, but I don't want to risk temptation jiggle security screws around just for that.) My original thinking had also been to get a locking cock ring for the same base ring for when I do get released (and thus don't potentially keep whacking the locking post) or for when I don't want to wear the cage but still want something locked on; however in my email exchanges with Mature Metal I was told that that was unwise if I wanted to avoid pain in the wee hours of the morning as there would be nothing preventing me from getting aroused So I guess I'll just have to be careful when I get release (And for financial reasons I don't want to get a complete locking cock ring with its own base ring, especially if I do end up buying a second base ring.) Can anyone suggest anything else I might want to consider or might have missed?
Hi hijk, I have been wearing a jailbird for a couple of weeks now, I must say it is wonderfully comfortable and MM have been great in helping get the sizing and everything right. I am also a grower and uncut. Being uncut always seem to add an extra level of difficulty when wearing any type of device as all the extra skin gets snagged, nicked and rubbed sore. It took me a few days to figure out how to "stuff" it into the end properly so it doesn't stick out at the wrong point and I think when ordering MM tell you to send them a follow up email saying to change the order of the bars to make it more comfortable. I would recommend getting MM's sizing rings, I went from a cb3000 to a jailbird and without the sizing rings would have ordered the wrong size for sure, I didn't realize exactly how small I could go. The spike strip for me anyway doesn't seem to impact on erections that much, not like the POI used to on the old 3000, I'm hoping that in the future MM might be able to custom make some "attachments" for me. Good luck with it all. bitchboy
Well, I've been playing with the size rings for over a week now But you've reminded me that I need to remember to ask MM to invert the bars...
Before ordering my Queen's Keep I read that it was ok to err on the small side when it comes to cage length. I wanted it to leave as little room for growth so that is what I did. However, if you're going to be squeezing into it it might be a good idea to err on the larger side when it comes to width, in order to be able to fit in easily. My device wears very comfortably and I've been locked in it near constantly since it arrived, but it would be easier to get on if I ordered it an 1/8th of an inch wider.
I'm curious about this as my international boys are/were uncut, and I know one of them has the same issue with his foreskin sticking out of the end of his CB-6000s. So the bars are switched so that on the end, the vertical bars are on the outside rather than the horizontal ones? Any more info on this and how/why/if it works?
Yes, and the one place that rubs is on your head. I'm imagining that if you had a foreskin moving about over it, it would definitely have been too tight, pinching and painful. I wonder if there is such a thing as contouring the cage a little so there is more room at the end for the glans and foreskin... of course, you'd have to get it in there first so the shaft couldn't be a lot smaller.
I don't quite understand this part. The base ring alone could hurt you if you have it on and get a hard-on and are pressing against the end of the post. But it seems that with the single locking cock ring, it would cover the end of the pin and you'd be okay. You do have to be more careful about things getting twisted around when you sleep. I wonder if mistressmaturemetal or maturemetal could help with some of these questions. BTW - you know if you take off the device, you would generally take off the base ring too so the post shouldn't be in the way.
BTW, hijk, I think you might want to check in with what your potential Mistress regarding what she finds the most appealing in as far as devices and, especially how she wants it to lock and unlock. I like the Queen's Keep, and think simpletwistfate made a good choice, but if he's gotten one of the weirder or more enclosed ones, I wouldn't have been so happy.
My understanding is that it helps push the clothes away. I know that with the cages I've worn, it's typically the vertical bars that I get pinched against...
About to go order, and I figure I should go check the ring sizes one last time... and now the 1 5/8" ring seems comfortable :s >>confused<<
I'm hoping that when I measured last time I just got the rings mixed up and wrote the wrong size down... so I'm going to sleep on it and make the order tomorrow.
Ordered; whilst I could wear the 1 5/8" ring, the 1 3/4" ring seemed more comfortable so I went with that. Now I'm second-guessing myself about whether I should have also ordered the anti-pullout pins (as I had over-budgeted, thinking I might get a second base ring, etc. so I've got extra cash sitting there I could use...) ;-)
Why don't you start with seeing how it fits. So far simpletwistfate hasn't needed to use his pins, and, from what I've seen, I'm honestly not in favor of them. In other words, I wouldn't be impressed if you had one in at a party. Why not treat that potential Keyholder of yours to dinner or something else that she would like?
She has to stop being busy first (We've been meaning to meet up for other reasons for a while now, but life keeps getting in the way.)
Is she going to have the time and accessibility to be your keyholder? (Not saying that she won't - it all depends on what you want/need in the relationship.)
Next year after the cage arrives and I get back from Christmas, hopefully she will It won't be a very active keyholding relationship (as I'm not comfortable with sexual activity, etc. outside of a romantic relationship), but will hopefully fit in nicely with other activities we had been planning on doing together before her work picked up (including her motivating me to get fitter, which I suppose this will fit in nicely with ).
I am bouncing back and forth between 1 3/8" and the 1 1/2" rings for cage diameter. How does your cage feel when, as you seem to say, it's 1/8" narrower than you would have wanted? I guess I'm especially curious about the cleaning and long-term wearability of a narrower cage like that. Comfort and cleanliness makes me think I'll be able to wear the JB for as long as my KH desires, but I also don't want that 1/8" addition to mean I'll be flopping around in there!
Going an extra 1/8th of an inch wider would only make it easier to get the device on. As is, I need to lube it up with some astroglide and slide it in when i am very soft. Then I use some q-tips to push excess skin into the device. Once it's on, it doesn't feel too tight at all, in fact, I think as far as comfort and long term wear it's perfect. Also, it's pretty easy to keep clean in the shower, water and soap flow freely through the device. Also, it's only speculation that a slightly wider cage would make it easier to go on, I'm not sure it would even help that much. And the longer I have the device the more I'm used to the work it takes to get on and less of a hassle it seems. Definitely get the sizing rings and and take multiple measurements with them over the course of a few weeks to make sure you're exactly the size you want.
I hope I'm not too late to the thread to help, but for me, every possible dimension of my cage seems better to err on the smaller side. If the gap is too large, you can pull out. If the base ring is too large, it hands lower, rubs more, and doesn't sit in the right spot. But those two things can be adjusted by MM and they're extremely friendly and helpful when it comes to making sure your device fits. Since they can't adjust the cage part as much, here's my advice for what it's worth: they are right about erring in the short side for length. I thought I did, as I went with a 3" cage, which was 1/4" shorter than the shortest measurement I took. It fits nicely but I probably could have done with another 1/4" shorter. It's not that there's extra space at the tip, it's that the curve makes it hard to keep my own tip a far forward as I'd like when I get excited and semi-erect. Something just slightly more compact would not have been too short I am sure. The anatomy shrinks quite a bit that direction as needed. But measuring exactly a they recommend (1/4" shorter than your shortest of several flaccid (but not shriveled) measurements) has produced a nice fit and I've never wished it was longer. For the tube diameter, I'd say it's best to go with the saying ring that fits like a ring you'd wear on your fine. It shouldn't slip off by itself, but it should feel right either, or getting the device on will be tough. Put the closest sizing ring on and wear it around for a while. If it doesn't restrict you enough to cause an erection or feel tight, but also stays on without slipping down too much on it's own, you've probably found a pretty good fit. I'm cut so I can't say what's best for bar orientation on uncut guys, but I can say they were right on the money recommending I have them inverted to accommodate A PA piercing. If they make the same recommendation for uncut foreskin, I'd take their advice. Not only do they deal with lots of people and get lots of feedback, but it certainly won't hurt anything having them oriented that way. Oh, and regarding anti-pullout pins, my advice is just to go for it up front. They can be added later but that requires sending the device back to have the hole made. We don't use the pins often, but we've found then fun to play with for adding some pain to the mix while being teased. They're not necessary to prevent pullout for me personally, but it's nice to have the option to use them when She wants to, and when we don't use them, the hole is not really notable. I love my MM Watchful Mistress. It's a great combination of secure and comfortable, it looks nicer than other devices we've tried, and it's really nice not to have any hinges or parts that move, rattle, or clank. Once the security screw is tightened, it's one solid piece. They are also wonderful people to deal with and I love recommending them to others. Best of luck!
So I came back after spending Christmas, etc. with the family to find my Queen's Keep waiting for me at the post office, and have been wearing it on and off since picking it up on Monday... (On a side note, I did get a slight chuckle from the description MM put on the customs form: "metal tool" indeed! ) I'm not sure if this is something I need to get used to or I ordered wrong, but I'm having the following issues: Despite most recommendations being to cut 1/4" off the length measurement, I didn't do so and ordered it as 2 3/4", but my foreskin is still protruding (I did get the bars inverted) and getting pinched, and I seem to be pushing against the end of the cage very slightly (so much so that slight re-arrangement is needed when using the facilities). I wake up in the wee hours with some pain; it's not debilitating, but I've never had this problem before unless the device I was wearing was definitely too small. Specifically, my scrotal sack seems to be engorging and what seems to be the vessels, etc. going to my testes seem to be doing so even more so and extending out on either side of the device and being painful. I don't think it's a ring problem (if anything it seems to be very slightly on the loose size on a day-to-day basis), so I don't know if the gap is too small or I just have to grin and bear it. Not really a problem per-se, but if I get another device in future I might have the cage taper slightly as it goes along, as there's a bit of a gap around the ring near the end of the QK; I suspect that part of my issues is that there's room for me to get engorged slightly, thus possibly aggravating the above two points. Does anyone have any suggestions of what I can try before resorting to sending the cage back to get adjusted (which I'd like to avoid from a shipping point of view if nothing else!)?
I've worn the cage on and off (in between having family over, not wanting to get used to wearing it in public whilst working at a rather large conference, etc.) and am getting more used to it. But now that Chastity Mansion is back online hopefully I can get some advice on my experience I've put some silicon sealant between the two rings that form the base ring which seems to help a bit. However, when I get erect I still get some pain through (if my quick skimming of Wikipedia is correct) my vas derens and epididymis, in that they swell on either side of the gap between the cage and the base ring and get sore. Is this "normal", or should I consider getting the gap enlargened (which should then also in effect make the cage a tad longer, and possibly help prevent pinching of my foreskin)?
Hi hijk, This thread has been very informative for me 'cause I'm basically at the same point you were when you started it. I'm really interested to get an update on how you are travelling and what you think of your initial measurements now, and your probs with pinching...pls? Ta
Hi Daisy-jane, I'm thinking of selling my cage, as I end up growing too much in it and thus getting pinched. I think I may have ordered it too long (due to misunderstanding some of the instructions; in hindsight despite thinking the CB-2000 was just a tad too small I may have been slightly aroused even when wearing it and thus a smaller cage would have been better) but also that the style of cage openings used on the Jailbird, Queen's Keep, etc. don't suit me. As such, I'm looking at getting a Looker 02 from Steelworxx due to its cap (so I doubt I could get pinched! ). If you're interested in purchasing my Queen's Keep please message me; I'm hoping to sell it to someone in Australia to keep shipping, etc. down.
Thanks hijk for the quick response and pm. Good luck with your sale and new purchase. For what it is worth I bought a Looker 2 copy earlier this year 'cause I was thinking about buying that model too and wanted a test run. But for me the holes in the cap act like a cheese grater allowing tiny bits of 'skin to poke through and get pinched like a bastard. Maybe a sizing/length issue, but maybe check some of the other threads about this.