Discussion in 'Chastity and orgasm denial' started by Giles_English, Nov 28, 2018.
Since we are on fantasies of possible futures, what if "chaste" became a sort of gender identity?
Ahahah! it makes sense! As chaste we are neither really male nor female.
Yes, I don't feel neuter or even non-binary. But it does feel more like a gender identity than a fetish, and it's easy to imagine a world where some men identify as Chaste + Orientation, e.g. Chaste Straight.
Does that still apply if they are only chaste because it turns them on? They are chaste because of the occasional ecstatic moments of freedom.
No, I think that's different. Like the difference between those who cross dress for kicks, and those who are trans.
What would the criteria be for being chaste gender?
Being focused on wearing rather than the prospect of release. Put baldly, being the equivalent of a eunuch who can nevertheless experience desire, frustration, and arousal.
when I am chaste I am definitely still male.
hmm good idea and they maybe make separate bathroom too..^^
I would be one of those nuanced things, like a 2nd dimensions to the gender spectrum.
My wife tells me often that I may be male, but I’m not a man.
Removing one of your penis’s primary functions and relegating it to urination is emasculating for sure, but don’t think it quite gets us to gender loss. Although some here more than others do take it to be effeminate, others do not in the least.
A separate gender? Would you consider ol grandpa a separate gender because he can’t jack off or have sex anymore? No, he’s still a man, just unable to do the things he used to.
My keyholder is a queer woman, so we are often interested in gender roles and identity. Both being kinky people for as long as we can remember, we do consider kinky as being a sexual identity, more than a simple fetish. Both of us express our sexuality through the lens of kink, rather than vanilla. With the chastity, I'm in full time, and genitals are for peeing with, or as something for her to be sadistic towards. I don't feel that I have normal genitals any longer, but that's not the same as sexual identity, or gender. Some trans women do wear devices to separate themselves from the male identity that they do not want, but there's way more there than simply the wearing of the device of course. Crossdressing is a different thing again from trans.
My own feeling is that it's not a gender change. I do however feel that I'm "differently genitaled" if that makes sense. That's how we look at it. There's regular guy genitals, and there's chaste/locked genitals. It's an artificial restraint/barrier, but when you wear it to accept that your guy parts are no longer for pleasure/penetration/masturbation, etc....It's different than wearing a device to build up tension and release it, or to desire escape and have normal genital use afterwards. When I take it off for some reason, there is no difference in my mindset that what's down there is for peeing only. The device creates the symbol and the visual of the chastity/denial. If you look at a pic of 2 guys, and one is locked, you can see the concept where if the chaste guy is willingly in permanent chastity, that he is in effect "differently genitaled" from the unlocked guy. Locked away is the permanent stae of his genitals. We kind of also compare it to Roman times, when the gladiators were infibulated with a large ring, to prevent intercourse.
With both my wife and my keyholder, I don't express myself sexually with my genitals, and I've had to find other ways to do so. I don't consider my genitals to be for sexual pleasure now, but I also don't feel that it changes my gender....if any of that makes sense! It's more voluntary impotence, or infibulation. Maybe we are more akin to the court eunuchs of ancient times, but with our desires intact? It all depends on how you see yourself really.
This is so true
Oh no no no! I'm definitely still a bloke!!! A bloke with a locked up cock, but still a bloke!
If it aint bloke...don't fix it?
I'm definitely the man in our house! My wife told me so! And I wouldn't dream of arguing with her!!! She might tie me the bed and punish me! Actually I think I'll go and annoy her now, could be fun .
I see permanent or what I call perpetual chastity as emasculating. It changes my status as a man, but it does not change the fact that I am male.
I meant more like the way younger people say, "I identify as X."
As used by people, the gender spectrum is fuzzy and largely socially defined. I was wondering what it would be like if "chaste" got bundled into all that and gained the same respectability as ideas like "gender non-binary" and so on.
...or the longer ecstatic slow-burn of imprisonment...! : )
Maybe it’s more of a sub-classification of gender. (Yes, pun intended!) You are very much male, but have lost control of what drives or defines significant male behavior—the penis and force of testosterone.
things of beauty, to be sure. : )
So, one of the things that would happen in this possible future is people would argue about boundaries and gate keeping
I picked gender for "chaste" rather than orientation, because chaste seems to be a baseline thing, onto which you can add orientations and preferences.
I am still wondering, though, what a world would look like where men could identify as "chaste".
I have toyed with chastity since I have been 18 I am now 37. I believe that I belong in permanent chastity. Penial anything is disgusting to me and my wife! The only thing it is meant for is making babies! Well thank god I have my babies and my wife and I don't have to deal the penis or anything about it anymore! That Is why I belong in a full belt! A cage is just way to traveling. For me it is sexual but more importantly it is a way of life for me! So am I a man in the true sense? Yes! Would society think I am a man? Nope! I am a proud chastised virgin who is secure in my life!