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To sum up: Chastity and feminization

Discussion in 'The Powder Room' started by PuppyMastersPet, Nov 14, 2008.

  1. I was just reading through a few old post regarding chastity and feminization and thought it would be a good idea to sum up some of the best explanations as it is a subject that often comes up.
     
  2. maid katrin said:

    in my case chastity and feminization are a forming a unified whole. Of course, i was craving to be feminized a long time before i met my Mistress. After all, i wanted to be a girl as long as i can remember. I can not remember when the longing for being kept in chastity occured the first time but once my Mistress took the lead in my life chastity and feminization became simultaneous processes.

    *curtsey*

    maid katrin
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  3. icarus_101 said:

    men running around in dresses is a well recorded hobby back in the 18th century in the UK.
    But this was the men doing it under their own violation.

    Forcing someone to become more female, I would guess would stem from the increase in female authority from the 1970's on.

    Of course there would have been isolated individuals that did this before hand but there would have had to be a very strong woman behind that, considering the sociology of the time.

    Chastity on the males side would have probably been arpound the same time as they are both elements of female control over men. The rise of helper devices, such that we use today would have developed hand in hand with the demand.

    I would imagine that there is no real correlation between being feminized and being chasted...
    the debate that "as you are locked up and not a man anymore, you might as well be a woman" or "as you are now dressed as a women, you won't need that anymore ( pointing )" is really coincidental. Both are fun, both are forms of control but there is no clear interdependability between the two.
    In fact, the vast majority of chastity device make obtaining a good feminine outline more difficult.

    but thats just my two pennieth worth.
     
  4. Miss D said:

    This is one of My favorite subjects... A male can be chastized without ever being femmed. But a sissy can not ever truly be femmed properly without chastity.

    There is nothing I enjoy more than a chaste sissy all dressed up in frills - so pretty - so feminine.. sexually on edge from her femming and chastity - teased and tormented just because of what she is... Maybe even half crazed with need - begging and pleading to made more femme...

    Miss D
     
  5. Miss D also said:

    Crossdressing, Forced Feminization and Gender Dysphoria. These are quite different things and a subby can be one or more or none of these.

    Crossdressing - done for sexual excitement almost exlusively. Generally those who engage in this do not feel they are truly feminine nor want to be - it is a sexual kink.

    Forced Feminization - applied by a Superior to humiliate and enforce behavior modification in a subby. The degree to which it is applied depends mostly on the Superior's wishes and the need of the subby to suffer humiliations.

    Gender Dysphoria or transgender - a person that identifies in a gender role different from their biological gender. A transgendered individual may or may not have sub tendencies.

    These are general guidelines - they are not specific. Many subbies fall in between the different definitions. I personally enjoy subbys of any of these categories. I think they are especially cute in frills or dressed to the nines in the most outrageous of slut clothes. To Me - they are all gurls.

    Feminization and chastity are intertwined. Once a male has been locked up - they have no sexual utility except in the traditional female gender role - a penetratee or a provider of oral skills. Besides, doesn't a locked up sub male look pretty in panties?

    Now all you sissy gurly things - don't get angry if My definitions don't fit you exactly - they seldom apply to any specific individual. Variety is the spice of life. Be yourself or be whatever your Superior decides you are.

    As to Mistress Kate's specfic question - if you do not prefer a sissy subby - then don't go there. But as Mistress Watchful says - they can be so cute and it does seem to grow on you...
     
  6. You can find the original posts on the following links. I have merely made a summery of some of the better explanations and take no credit for any of the above. Hope it is of some help though. :animal0008:

    I had links back to each origonal thread but they have been moved so I will try and find them and update the links soon.

    Feminization, Chastity and Gender
     
  7. Thank you kris.

    I have made this a sticky so it does not get lost, I think it will be helpful to others.

    I also added a few tags.
     
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  8. Hits the nail on the head slave kris a very nice post indeed.:anim_37:
     

  9. For me to write some kind of all encompassing conclusion would be a bit conceited but you have come this far so I will try and explain my own take on the link between chastity and feminization.

    There are several conclusions that can be drawn if you take into account what you have read

    As explained before chastity can lead to a male being more aroused this in turn usually makes the chast sub more open to suggestion and more open to activities usually regarded as taboo. If you take this observation and then add in some underlying Transvestic fetishism interest then you could easily see how I male sub could be persuaded or “forced” to become a sissy.

    If though the sub has already shown an interest in dressing in female clothing it may be the sub that craves to be dresses and feminized by their dominant partner. No persuasion is needed therefore you would assume that no chastity is required. It’s not as simple as that though.

    For those who desire to be feminized, chastity and long term denial only serves to increase feminine desires. Orgasm can often lead to a drop in the desire to be feminized that is not to say though that this assumes that the desire is only sexually. There must be more to it, possibly hormones but I was unable to find a link with hormones during my search, that doesn’t mean hormone are not a factor though.

    For the sub who desires to be feminized chastity can also have other uses. If the desire to become feminized becomes strong it can be difficult for a sissy to see a penis dangling between their legs. In these cases a chastity device can help the sub feel more feminine special if a belt device such as a neo steel is used.


    I’m not expecting everyone to agree with what I’ve written but I do hope that it may help people in a similar situation to me who were confused about their feelings.

    Please feel free to add your own take on feminization and chastity. Comments are always welcome. Don’t be too harsh though, I still have a lot to learn regardless of all the research I’ve done.
     
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  10. I said

    For me to write some kind of all encompassing conclusion would be a bit conceited but you have come this far so I will try and explain my own take on the link between chastity and feminization.

    There are several conclusions that can be drawn if you take into account what you have read

    As explained before chastity can lead to a male being more aroused this in turn usually makes the chast sub more open to suggestion and more open to activities usually regarded as taboo. If you take this observation and then add in some underlying Transvestic fetishism interest then you could easily see how I male sub could be persuaded or “forced” to become a sissy.

    If though the sub has already shown an interest in dressing in female clothing it may be the sub that craves to be dresses and feminized by their dominant partner. No persuasion is needed therefore you would assume that no chastity is required. It’s not as simple as that though.

    For those who desire to be feminized, chastity and long term denial only serves to increase feminine desires. Orgasm can often lead to a drop in the desire to be feminized that is not to say though that this assumes that the desire is only sexually. There must be more to it, possibly hormones but I was unable to find a link with hormones during my search, that doesn’t mean hormone are not a factor though.

    For the sub who desires to be feminized chastity can also have other uses. If the desire to become feminized becomes strong it can be difficult for a sissy to see a penis dangling between their legs. In these cases a chastity device can help the sub feel more feminine special if a belt device such as a neo steel is used.


    I’m not expecting everyone to agree with what I’ve written but I do hope that it may help people in a similar situation to me who were confused about their feelings.

    Please feel free to add your own take on feminization and chastity. Comments are always welcome. Don’t be too harsh though, I still have a lot to learn regardless of all the research I’ve done.
     
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  11. Just to set the record straight, forced fem is not all the new. As far as I know it goes back at least as far as the Victorian age (turn of the century or before) with something called petticoat training. The premise was always something like this: A young male is found to be uncouth, wild or somehow unacceptable in his behavior. He is sent to an Aunt or a female cousin to be disciplined and trained in manners. The training then involves dressing the youth in female clothes, panties and slips, corsets etc. There is always some sort of canning or birching that goes on along with the embarrassment of young female onlookers who witness the punishment and humiliation.

    A good example of this genre is:

    "Gynecocracy: A Narrative of the Adventures and Psycological Experiences of Julian Robinson (afterwards Viscount Ladywood) under Petticoat Rule, Written by Himself." First published in 1893 this book was reprinted in 1997 by Masquerade Press.
    I found it to be a fun read and recommend it to everyone on this site.
     
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  12. The whole forced fem theme is much older than the Victorians. I saw the film Caligula some years back and did a little research, at the nadir of the Roamn empire they did force some men to dress up in shifts ( a serving girls toga style wrap) and deflower the as "entertainment" at orgy's. Bisexuality was the norm among the upper class yet it was looked down on in the working class and was the source of great shame. This was a twist on the old custom of th e king getting first shot at the bride. The Romans picked up the tradition from the germanic tribes and seemed to really run with it. Anyway what I wanted to say is the more things change... we humans are really not very much different than our ancestors, just a whole lot richer in consumer goods and food
     
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  13. the Romans were also into castration. young boys with beautiful singing voices were castrated so their voices wouldn't change. castrati were also used to guard temple virgins to keep them pure.
     
  14. Interesting post Jenny. I had forgotten about the Romans. But then they were feminizing as an expression of homosexuality. Another aspect of feminization from Roman and Etruscan times involved the castration of the priests of Cybil. Complete devotion to the Goddess often meant castration and cross dressing for the male devotees. This is probably closer to the modern fetish since it isn't motivated by a homosexual goal. The male is complying with the wish or command of the Goddess or her priestesses.
     
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  15. My Master knew from O/our first communications via my dating profile at SMTR that i am TG and was seeking a FLR (CLLR now of course). She instituted chastity fairly early on and that continues to this very day in fact more prolonged and vibrant than ever and deepening. It has only been the last few weeks when i acknowledged that i am a sissy that things have shifted into a different place. Seeing my avatar i am sure Y/you will see that Master saw me as a sissy long before i admitted it to Her. i am most fortunate indeed. Chastity, being a service oriented TG slave and sissy as well as being a loving and caring partner is who i am and am becomming better every day thanks to my loving Master Cherry Leopard.

    hugs,
    melody
     
  16. 'Master' as a gender neutral term . . . ?

    Melody, i love how your Owner has adopted the term Master even though she appears to be female. i think it is much more descriptive than Mistress, which has those 'other' connotations in the vanilla world (i.e. kept woman, illicit liason and so on). I was thinking how the term 'actress' has now been fully supplanted by 'actor' for both sexes and how 'actor' has shed its gender limitations.

    My Mistress prefers 'Mistress' , so i of course use that term when i speak of Her, but i do think Master is carries much more weight and hope one day it loses its gender association.

    yours, riki
     
  17. I am not sure if this is an open thread. If not, I apologize for my posting here.

    This was something I recently wrote on another board about a similar topic.

    I know that for myself, when I was first really getting into and reading forced femme/chastity porn and developing my own personal fantasies, a lot of it was finding a "safe" way to explore my desire to transition. And by "safe" in this case, I mean in a space which would have been supported and encouraged by my partner. For myself, it was akin to the way we "force" children into expected and assigned gender roles.

    When eventually I realized that my partner was never going to be in that space to engage in that fantasy dynamic I had, I made the choice to manifest my transition on my own.

    However, that does not necessarily eliminate my interest in chastity, and I still find chastity and forced femme hot - both individually and intersectionally. However, now my forced femme attraction is more like this idea of (en)forced femininity, rather than the classic forced feminization.
     
  18. chas & fem

    Thanks to all of you for this thread, it being the main reason I decided to join the group. My main role as the subby to lady M, is her butler,Mr Gee. Over time, the maid, miss Gwen,seems to become more predominant. Isn't that worth a thought or two? Mr Gee, ....er
     
  19. Mistress Watchful,

    I hope I do(nt?) get spanked for this raw plug for Miss D.

    Gurls... this is not a drill... Powder Room Alert!

    Miss D is blogging about real life wives. As usual, she is right on when it comes to gurly issues.

    http://missds.blogspot.com/

    Thank you Miss D!

    Miss D's Flower Gurl, cindy

    Respectful
     
  20. I think for me, the desire for not being sexual is my 'mission statement' to a woman that I'm not in any way doing any of this for sexual thrills. Rather, I've felt love deprived most of my life, and like most girls, feel that loss is much worse than never having sex. After all, we can take care of or orgasmic needs ourselves; but we can only feel affection from another person. Without that, life feels pretty empty, whether there's any sex or not.
     
  21. First of all, thank you in advance for this wonderful forum. This sissy has followed this post and lurked for a good while but would like to ask a question for both Mistresses and sissies concerning hormones, castration and chastity. Does becoming femininized through hormones eventually leading to either chemical castration and/or actual physical castration decrease the joy of submissiveness and obedience experienced after long term chastity that causes the agonzing drooling clitty that sissies' must seek relief for, however long the known or unknown endurance of chastity? It seems after being on hormones and T-blockers for even a short period of months causes erectile dysfunction and eliminates any sperm production leaving only prostate fluid and no pre-cum stained panties. Although the mood swings are obvious and changes of the mind and body are very sutle, does seeking feminized breasts through hormones, with chemical castration as the result, outweigh the benefits of an ever yearning, clitty drooling chaste sissy? This sissy would be very appreciative of Y/your thoughts and comments based on Y/your experiences.

    Thank Y/you,
    **curtsey**
    Stephanie
     
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  22. Wow, that's quite a number of questions to answer to and honestly, none of them is quite easy to reply to. We all know that the human body is literally like a very complex chemical factory, that is usually more or less well balanced and works fine. The influence of additional hormones - in particular those of the opposite gender - causes lots of effects that are very individual. In my case the hormones had a considerable effect on my libido and yes, it has led to some kind of a chemical castration. Nevertheless I must say, that i wanted it - not because I am submissive, but because I wanted to eliminiate my maleness, which I have always hated. You are right, the mood swings are very disturbing. From my experiences they were almost more disturbing for the people around me than to myself - even though I wouldn't say that coping with them was easy.
    If you are a transsexual - yes, the feminizing effects are outweighing everything because hormones take you closer to the goal you have longed for for all your life so far. If you are not, i would say NO - many changes will be irreversible and I would recommend to refrain from it. Loosing your ability to act like a man and the yearning to cum will be rather disappointing sooner or later.

    I think there are good reasons (in many countries) to give hormones legally only to transsexuals who have proven the authenticity of their longing of becoming a member of the opposite gender. It's simply nothing just to play with.

    maid katrin

     
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  23. There is a BDSM and fetish quality to feminizaton: being stimulated by the clothing, being psychologically immasculated, and the bondage element of being a male enfemme -- unable to walk normally (shoes), unable to go out in public (unless you can pass) along with the danger of being discovered (outed.)

    So, there are elements of danger, entrapment, helplessness, awkwardness, physical excitement, and surrender to the abnormal and taboo behavior itself. Like chastity, you are "stuck." Like chastity, you are "excited." Like chastity you are surrendering to a desire that offers a kind of constant excitement, sometimes low level sometimes high level. Like chastity being enfemme challenges the mind, ego, and body. Like chastity, feminization often involves power exchange.

    The chastity discipline can remind you that you might be feminized, and the feminization then reminds you of your chastity. Instead of being penetrated with a butt plug, also a constant reminder of chastity and power exchange, one is instead "wrapped," "covered," and "heeled." One is reminded of one's status on the outside, same as wearing a collar.

    Chastity, although constant, is hidden. Dressing on the other hand is open, out there, public -- it has a way of outing the chastity and bringing it to the surface.

    Dressing also teases, as when dressed the male wants to stroke and ejaculate but is not allowed to b/c of the power exchange with his Mistress.

    Chastity is passive. Don't stroke without permission, don't ejaculate without supervision.

    Dressing is participatory and active, one must affirmatively put stockings, hose, and other "high maintenance" clothing on, and the process has a way of activating chastity, because it takes extra discipline to exercise restraint, and the dressed male is unable to ignore the power exchange with his Mistress who sets the chastity and dressing rules.

    There is an agony to dressing and not touching. There is an agony to dressing and not ejaculating. There is a helplessness to dressing that comes from the need to do it and the awkwardness of being male while doing it.

    Both dressing and chastity are forms of psychological bondage. Each is also a form of physical bondage. Chastity is a surrender of self. Dressing is a surrender of self. Surrender is agony, frustration, and excitement. In each project the submissive is incomplete, the male unable to transform into a female, and the penis unable to ejaculate into orgasm.

    It has been my experience that women often don't see these connections and see only the selfish, often oafish male who is a fetishist they don't appreciate. But, dressing cuts well into chastity, BDSM, and power exchange when used and employed in the right way.

    Unlike straight fetishism, dressing does not have to be an end in and of itself, rather it can be an effective tool for power exchange and chastity discipline in a relationship.
     
  24. THAT is one of the great posts i have read here. It's more of a crossing-over mentality; feeling what it's like but knowing that you can't unless you take the ultimate steps. You can, in fact, get into the other side and can almost convince yourself. There needs to be chastity to complete the process. Hope that this continues to get responses. So well said, Her Dividend.
     
  25. This is a very insightful post Her Dividend, thank you.

    Dressing for me does not make me want to stroke and ejaculate though it did when i first started many years ago. Now however it just feel right to me. When i am dressed now this somewhat abnormal behavior makes me feel "normal", whole, complete and the outside finally matches the inside. There is still somewhat of a power exchange between MM and myself as i feel MORE submissive when i am dressed but not for the reasons one may think. It has to do with me being happy and Her giving that to me through Her acceptance of me. Dressing quiets the struggle in me and when i am not struggling with myself i am happier and more willing to please.

    MM's sweetpea
    rachel
     

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