Thoughts……..

like nice and nasty men Miss. i have meet nice ones and nasty ones.

 

:-( I believe this to be true.

 

Yes, definitely something to consider outside of the BDSM context...

I personally find it amusing that someone who acts "alpha" in the boardroom could turn scared and helpless if he found himself stranded on an island with nothing to eat...

 

So by the OP logic is it impossible to be an “alpha” and be locked in chastity?

My wife and I don’t have an FLR other than mainly in the home/bedroom. I am an alpha by all accounts in all other aspects of life - work, social settings etc. I’m relatively well endowed (so not beta by that definition), and relinquish my orgasms and penis to my wife and for her pleasure only. Again just curious musings on what others think.

 

I manage a building site. There is no censorship of our conversations, anything goes, one of my subbies was throwing allsorts of expletives at me, and I at him. It isn't uncommon in the building trade, and we made up the next morning no hard feelings. I've never heard another man use the term "Beta" to another man. Is it not something that is just fetishised on oneself? Perhaps brought on by feelings of inadequacy or perception of or actual size? I certainly don't identify as "Beta" and wouldn't want to. I'm a caged lion not submissive to anyone but my KH

 

Although I've had a lingerie fetsih since puberty, I led an outwardly Alpha life for about 60 years while secretly having a stash of feminine garments, in private. Once my wife caught me in panties and turned the tables on me, I became very much submissive and "beta" . I suspect that age and hormones, as well as Her dominance had something to do with that.

 

I have met admirals, captains, numerous officers of the US Air Force, GSA supergrades, and numerous CEOs. I've been going through my mental rolodex, trying to imagine how each would react to "Sir, do you consider yourself an Alpha Male?"

I think laughter would be the most common reaction.

I think Gerry, the retired Air Force officer and CEO, would look at me like I'd lost my mind and wonder if I were up to one of my pranks. Mike, a retired Air Force officer and CEO, would stare at me and try to figure out what was wrong with me.

 

Thank you for posting; it’s good to have some intelligent, thought-provoking threads to read rather than the bland, wanky fodder that is so often propagated on many websites.

 

I'm definitely the submissive or Beta here and with my wife without a doubt

 

Fundamentally, incorrect. You can’t rank an alpha. An alpha is the pinnacle.
Beta being secondary…

Really, the men in question, (for arguments sake they actually exist. Nobody uses this terminology in real life) the logic would be something along the lines of “on a scale of alpha to kappa, where would rank yourself?” Alpha being 1, Kappa being 10.

“Oi Bob, have you seen Charlie? He’s such an Epsilon. I reckon you could take him!”

 

The terms Alpha and Beta and to a lesser degree Omega are used as OP describes. Like most things in life though they generalize. Many of us are much more complex to be simply put into these categories.

For instance in work I'm extremely alpha. With other men, I also will be more aggressive and lean dominant in the vanilla world. Sexually though I'm not much more submissive. With women, I'm also most always more passive or submissive. Now there are certain situations and such were I'm not, but unless a woman isn't acting like a lady, I'm usually much more on the passive and submissive side. Likewise sexually, I'm very submissive.

So while I believe generalizations have a place, when it comes to generalizing a whole person I think it's wrong and a bad idea.

 

I dont think I would get anyone to not agree with me that I present as a "Beta" here. But there are times when I am with my Mistress/wife or in community chat about/with my KH, my "Alpha" certainly comes up as somewhat a defense/protection for my Mistress and KH.

In unfamiliar situations and scenario I know my comfort zone is submissive to all I see on a level with my Mistress and KH.

Like many though, as @tomf_22033 and others eluded too, I was definitely "Alpha" in my career as I felt I needed to be because it provided for my home, wife and family.

When I reflect I can see a point could be made where my submissive nature was/is a driver when/where I was and still present as Alpha...if that makes sense.

 

The whole alpha/beta thing has been debunked. It's nonsense.

 

Almost no nen are truly alpha, they just like to think they are.

I wouldn't say debunked, but true, virtually no one is truly alpha or beta. A few people are sigma.

 

Who gives a fuck. As a poster wrote above, most people would just laugh if they were asked this.

 

You gave a f@#% enough to post!

 

Indeed! I suppose what I should have said is I think, in a forum like this, they are fairly meaningless terms.

 

Look up when the term Alpha Male came from

And then read how the researcher realized his mistake on the concept of an Alpha Wolf and spent years trying to get people to understand he was wrong

It's a dumb concept carried on by the misinformed

 

Just labels.

Anyone that really cares about such labels is focused on the wrong things.

 

Was the sub identifying as Beta themselves? What was strange about it? I really think it's been cooked up by the Internet more than anything. You see a lot of it in the chastity captions, so I guess someone likes it, and it becomes self perpetuating. Personally, if I read a caption with the word "Beta" I move on, I don't get it and it does nothing for me. I guess only those which get a rise (so-to-speak) from it will understand. Take the findoms for instance. The amount of times I've had one contact me on Tumblr "Hello Sissy" as an intro, I've lost count. It seems like there is an assumption there that is statistically wrong, but they all seem to think that's how a chaste guy identifies. In reality I reckon most of us are regular people that want to improve ourselves through a bit of discipline and control.

 

In a pack of dogs, the "alpha male" embodies a balance of size, strength, and smarts.

Some of the "beta males" in the pack are bullies who enjoy tormenting their more "submissive" underlings. The "alpha male" is no bully - But he will not hesitate to "correct" another dog when they're out of line.

While our society is clearly more evolved than that, I think everyone has seen a "beta bully" enjoying his "alpha status" a bit too much...