The Great "anti" Porn debate

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    Do you know that in the UK 41% of women aged between 18 and 36 have received unsolicited penis photos from strangers?

    How much of this is to do with porn being everywhere?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47474336
     
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    I don't know.
    It's despicable behaviour, and I condemn it unreservedly.
    Do you have any actual empiracle evidence that there is link between this awful behaviour and watching images of people engaging in consenual sexual acts? (Sometimes called 'porn'). If so, please do share it.
     
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    #153 L-u-c-y, Mar 6, 2019
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    It's obvious to me.

    Everyone has access to unlimited porn, it's not just people having sex, but extreme stuff. They view it from a young age. It becomes normal to them and they become desensitised to it. They don't think twice about sending a photo of their penis to a stranger.

    I don't have a problem with adults watching porn, but it's got to affect kids minds when they see hardcore stuff daily from a young age.

    I just had a look at a free porn site and this was the first video that came up:
    https://xhamster.com/videos/smashed-to-bits-by-hookup-hotshot-5812020#mlrelated

    That's not on a fetish site, it's just a normal free porn site available to anyone without any age checks.

    I mean, what is a 13 year old going to think when seeing stuff like that? What lessons are they going to be learning about how to treat their fellow human beings?

    I've had messages from no end of 18 yr old males who are obsessed with humiliation and being degraded. They have probably seen more extreme porn in their lives than most adults. How many more teenagers are there who want to do the humiliating and degrading?

    Have you seen this list of the kind of messages I get from men?
    https://www.chastitymansion.com/for...t-of-bizarre-and-self-centred-messages.29140/

    Lot's are on twitter and instagram, not fetish sites, and I haven't included all the thousands of penis photos from strangers.
     
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    I have said it many times before and I'll say it again now - the internet is not a babysitting service.

    If you have children it is your responsibility as a parent to control what they do online and off. You wouldn't let a 13 year old wander off into town alone and go to the pub so why let them wander round online unsupervised and go visiting porn sites, free or otherwise?

    The capabilities exist to effectively control access to unsuitable material, it's the responsibility of parents to use them.

    'Free' porn sites aren't truly free - someone (advertisers) is paying for them and those advertisers wouldn't be paying if someone wasn't paying them. Yes, copyright should be enforced. Yes, stolen porn clips are a real problem and do rob the performers of much needed income. That said, there are well established paths for copyright holders to enforce their rights should they choose to do so - many porn houses can and do use them to good effect.

    Saying all porn should be commercial is neither sensible nor workable - there are many, many exhibitionist couples who post porn because they want to, not for commercial gain; why should they be denied the right to do so? Add to that the reluctance of credit card companies to get involved with any kind of adult site today (it is near impossible to get a merchant account for a porn site from any major card processor, indeed even banking facilities are coming under threat for some) and making all porn vanish behind a credit card paywall is as impossible as it is undesirable.

    All that being said, providers of porn share a responsibility to ensure minors don't access the material in exactly the same way as retailers share a responsibility to ensure minors don't purchase alcohol or tobacco. Just because they're running a website and not a bricks & mortar store shouldn't (and doesn't) excuse them from that responsibility. The question is how to do it.

    The UK have an idea, a flawed idea to be sure but at least it's an idea. It remains to be seen how practical it will be - the internet is remarkably good at working round restrictions on access - but at least it's a start.

    Porn, free or paid for, shouldn't be available to minors. Both parents and porn sites share the duty and responsibility to make that happen.

    Oh, and for what it's worth, I rarely watch porn now and that which I do occasionally watch I pay for. As a younger man I did watch a good deal more but to be honest it got boring so I stopped.
     
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    The problem with that is that most kids know more about computers and websites than their parents do.
     
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    There's software available to block/monitor internet usage. Parents can still parent regardless of how much or little they know about the internet. If a parent is concerned about porn, they should make it a priority to protect their child from it. And educate thier child on the risks/dangers, just as they do when it comes to drugs, alcohol, getting in cars with strangers, crossing roads etc etc......
     
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    The first thing to do is stop the idiotic practice of giving young children smartphones. You cannot control their access to anything once you have given them a phone with internet access.

    A long time ago a mother of one of my sons friends bought her son a pc game that was supposedly only for over 18s, even though the boys were only about 13 at the time. I refused point blank to buy it for my son and when she stated that I might as well as everyone else was doing it I was flabbergasted.

    The only reason to do it is because everyone else is doing it? Isn’t that a bit idiotic? If more parents had a backbone then it wouldn’t be an issue. Don’t give them everything they want because everyone else is doing it. You are their parent, not their friend. Your job is to teach them and care for them, not submit to their every whim.

    The same goes for their easy access to porn. Stop being held to ransom by your kids. If you don’t know how to block websites or time limit internet access then learn. Only have a computer in a family room, they aren’t going to be looking for porn with you in the room. My kids never had tv or internet access in their bedrooms. Modern routers keep a record of websites visited, can be set up to track multiple accounts so you know who is doing what, they are password protected. You can even turn off the internet for them and keep it for yourself. It isn’t rocket science.
     
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    The main thing I have taken from this thread is how the entire topic of porn is huge and messy. Pandora’s box is well and truly open, this stuff isn’t going away, but something has to be done. The issue is it is not as simple as saying all porn is bad. By talking about addicts we are looking at those with a problem. The vast majority don’t have that level of a problem and the vast majority have never paid for it.

    One thing I have seen recently is an escalation of violent porn. Women being choked with a penis down their throat for so long they either vomit or come close to passing out, and this in a ‘standard’ porn scene. I realise niche porn has always been a thing, but I’ve even seen women with skewers being pushed through their breasts. There are even websites displaying live castrations and penectomies. Ironically these are protected by a pay wall. (I know of their existence, I have never attempted to enter any of them and have no intention of doing so.)

    I don’t pretend to have an answer for the issues, but personal responsibility has to be a starting place.
     
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    There is a real problem with the ubiquity of porn, and the way it is influencing young people's perceptions of normal relationships. When I was a kid, the only porn you could get was the magazines in the shops - softcore stuff like Escort or hardcore like Exclusive and Raider. That "hardcore" material would now be thought of as completely softcore. Not an erection in sight. No penetration.

    Now, anything goes. My sixteen year old self could not have coped with the internet. I had enough difficulty relating to women without the extraordinary notion that they were either sex toys or sexual dominants, with nothing in between, no normal concept of romantic love or devotion or mutual adoration.

    The whole free speech thing is a red herring. I am a libertarian and free speech means everything to me. But it's facile to argue that the extent of porn currently available at the press of a button is a good thing for society.
     
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    ugh!
     
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    Hard core porn was available in Germany in the 80s. By hard core I mean everything that we see in standard porn now, erection, penetration, ejaculation, oral, anal, open labia. This was in both magazine form and on vhs video, with titles such as Private.

    At that time the British Army on the Rhine (BAOR) which later became British Forces Germany (BFG) numbered over 100000 men, along with their families. If you were in the Forces or knew someone serving then you could very easily get hold of porn that at the time was highly illegal in the UK.
     
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    That held true up to a couple of years ago. Now, at least in the uk, all major internet providers and mobile providers have filtering either enabled by default or very easy to enable by calling customer service. No tech-savvy needed and not easy to bypass in most cases.

    Filtering software has also improved both in ease of use and effectiveness, not to mention the old stamdby of just putting the computer someplace you can see it.

    The real point I'm making is that there is no one answer to the 'porn problem'. Parents, webmasters and internet providers all share some degree of responsibility and all need to contribute to the solution. Nobody wants minors accessing adult material but solving the problem will take a lot more than just errecting paywalls.
     
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