The Great "anti" Porn debate

Literally no one here has said you don't need one. So...what's your point?

 

Wow! Some of these comments are rather extreme. Don't mind me, I just came here for the comments.

 

So you didn't actually read what I wrote before? You have to be trolling. No one is actually this dense.

 

He gave up his human rights, the moment he decided to be an asshole, Goddess.

 

The challenge is that the internet can't be regulated. There's no rules or laws that govern the internet. Yes, law and regulation can be applied to ISPs and consumers but not the internet itself, meaning that there's always a way to access content. In Australia, ISPs have to block access to certain sites the government deems inappropriate, including torrent sites. So what do people do? Use a VPN. If you want access to REALLY dodgy things, accessing the dark web is simple - and if you think the internet is bad, spend 5 minutes on the dark web.......

So to my earlier point, if you can't stop it, then try education/awareness. It won't stop it, but it might reduce it and it gives people an understanding of the risks. It's worked for smoking, AIDs, and there's currently a big campaign around mental health in Australia, so why not give it a go?

 

#metoo took a real problem and made it into somewhere to be seen on instagram/now i'm famous i'm going to blame men for my own indiscretions to advance. I don't think this will result in a porn escalation, but certainly a shift in male/female interactions. And guilty until proven innocent and trial by social media will provide more societal destruction than porn ever could. However, porn needs reining in and access controlled on the internet.

 

More porn because of the #MeToo movement is logical...haha! If men don't want to get involved with women, they will still have their sexuality to contend with and so porn is the best way to release without getting involved with a woman or changing teams.

But...

Rather than policing porn, as I mentioned, it's better to create avenues and support for 'positive' porn. As soon as you start putting restrictions on porn there will be more numbers fleeing to the dark net - and THAT is not what you want. The dark net has waaay more bad stuff on it and cannot be policed. It's much better to have things out in the open and educate people on what is healthy than driving them to darker places.

Understanding the difference between fantasy and reality is key. Rather than taking away porn (which is only a quick-fix, not a long term solution, and it won't help people learn to make better choices - which is an essential part of human growth - because the choice has been taken away from them instead), we need to educate on what real sex and relationships are. That way, everyone will know the difference from fantasy and reality with porn.

Taking away porn is the lazy option and a missed opportunity for human growth. To empower people to make better choices for their lives, we need to educate on and normalise real sex and relationships.

xx

 

Agreed!

 

Masturbation prevents cancer

Funnily enough, I was just reminded about this study in my Facebook feed. Google Translate has been used to make it English but check out the doi if you want the official published research.

We must speed up jerking to prevent prostate cancer

Every year, 5,000 men in Norway receive prostate cancer. This is the most common cancer of all and affects only men. The number of cases increases from year to year and is most common among older men.

An international study from 2016, addressing risk-reducing factors for men and prostate cancer, states that the solution to reducing prostate cancer is masturbation.

And not only that - the more often you do, the better your chances of living longer. The study states that ejaculating at least 21 times per month reduces the risk of getting prostate cancer.

- But this is being sub-communicated. And it is very unfortunate, says senior lecturer and sexologist Victor Valderaune at Nord University.

- This should have been made known everywhere, both in schools and in the workplace. And not least, it should have been made easily visible at all medical centers, says Valderaune.

Little known in the academic community
And the sexologist has a point. Because even though the study is already two years old, we get the impression that it is relatively unknown also within the academic environments.

- An article published in the trade journal European Urology we cannot of course disregard. However, there has been little focus on the frequency of ejaculation as a preventive factor in relation to prostate cancer in the urological environment, says Karsten Vada, senior consultant at the urological section at the surgical department in Helse Nord-Trøndelag.

- It is as far as I can see not mentioned as a possible preventive factor in the National Action Program for Prostate Cancer. And in UpToDate, which is a widely used source of literature among urologists, it is not mentioned as a possible factor before "far out", nor here are any specific recommendations, says Vada.

Still shamed
Sexologist Valderaune experiences that both masturbation in itself and talking about it are still shameful. At least when it comes to talking about doing it yourself.

- For most people it is a very private exercise, and such things have to be joked about. The fact that we joke about things that are shamed makes it a little more harmless. Shame has most of them with their own childhood, where our culture has a label on this that makes it difficult to get rid of, he says.

Ever since masturbation was one of the main reasons for admission to the mental hospital, this, according to the sexologist, has been characterized by a notion that it is dangerous and illegal.

- It takes time for a society to change this. If you look at some of the public documents about sexuality, then there is a focus on preventing unnecessary pregnancy as well. Instead of the positive aspects of human sexuality, Valderaune says.

The positive aspects of masturbation
The sexologist questions why this is not better known.

- We publish all about positive effects on health and medicine otherwise. How much focus is not on exercise and health?

- There should be a far greater focus on sexuality and health. The positive aspects of masturbating, or exploring yourself, are great. For adolescents who want to make their debut sexually, it is important that they are able to say something about what they like and do not like when going out in the wide world.

- Not least, masturbation, sex and sexual intercourse in all forms have a positive impact, great influence on psyche, stress and self-esteem, says Valderaune.


Reference:

Jennifer R. Rider et al: Ejaculation Frequency and Risk of Prostate Cancer: Updated Results with an Additional Decade of Follow-up. European Urology. 2016. DOI: https://doi.org/10.1016/j.eururo.2016.03.027​

So, long story short... how are men supposed to do all this jerking without the help of porn? haha!

(And now I'm just plain worried about those long-termer chastity subs. Dudes, free the seed!!!!)

xx

 

I said needs reining in, not taking it away. If a child went into a newsagent (pre banning of top shelf mags) and successfully bought a tits and arse mag, the newsagent would be hauled over the coals, exposed in public, prosecuted and possibly jailed. A CSP allows unrestricted access to 'just left of darknet' porn and we think this is ok? Your point regarding understanding the difference between fantasy and reality is fine at face value, but in the hands of children and young adults, such rationale comes up short. Copy that on better education, but schools are now so focussed on promoting the PC politics of gender acrobatics, rather than respect, sensible decision making, risks of mummy/daddy making, excessive consumption of entitlement and the value of family.
This side of the darknet the punter can access all manner of prohibited porn, the darknet tips into depravity.

 

That's true what you say about the newsagent. But, the magazines were still there, and still accessible to kids, and kids would steal them. Or find dad's hidden stash! The only difference now is they don't have to go to the newsagent to do it, and it's much more easily accessed.

Agreed on the amount of PC crap that is part of the education system and a reflection on current society in general. I could talk/rant for hours on the 'social justice warrior' phenomenon, but that's a topic for another day.

Education doesn't, and shouldnt have to just come from schools. Firstly, it's a parent's responsibilty to educate their children. Yes school's play a role too, as do both government and general/mental health organisations.

And, parents do have the option of putting controls on their kids devices to monitor/block what they are accessing, but how many actually do??

 

@Miss Veronica unfortunately there is very little medical evidence to support the hypothesis that more frequent ejaculation reduces the risk of prostate cancer. Even in the 2016 study that was referenced in your post, the "reduction" in the rate of cancer was pretty small and other similar studies have shown little to no difference in the rate of prostate cancer between men who ejaculated frequently and those who didn't.

 

Um... the initial study to the ten year follow-up conclusion is: there is 'evidence of a beneficial role of more frequent ejaculation throughout adult life in the etiology of PCa, particularly for low-risk disease'. That sounds positive to me. Of course, ten years is not enough time to gather extensive evidence, but what man wants to wait fifty years from now for the study to be conclusive when he has a 1 in 9 chance today of getting prostate cancer? In the UK, one man dies of PCa every 45 minutes. Even if regular masturbation saves just one life every 24 hours, every seven days, or every month, I'd say it's worth it.

What studies are you referring to that disprove it...? Did they repeat the exact method, or did they do something different to get different results?

 

I don't intend to get involved in this discussion. I do want to point out both to Americans and others, however, that the quoted post is not a correct statement of U.S. 1st Amendment law. The statement is too simplistic and misses the nuances of 1st Amendment law. A narrowly and properly targeted statute would be constitutional. Note, for example, that numerous people are serving long prison sentences for child porn distribution related offenses.

 

Off topic I know but on seeing this my Lady told me 21 times a month.. you'll be lucky if you even get 21 more.
and then added
who say's you'll even have 21 more authorised erections never mind orgasms.

Guess that told me.​

 

Well said

 

Serious question. Can someone please define addiction in this context. My understanding from 12 step program knowledge is that addiction is being powerless over something: substance, experience etc. Now I fully believe in obsessive complulsive behavior, as I recognize it in myself. But powerless? I find that hard to comprehend. No one is holding a gun to your head to make you watch porn (or drink, or smoke, or shoot up.) You have choice. Ergo, surely you are not powerless.
IMVHO a much worse obsessive compulsive behaviour than porn watching is spending all of one's time on social media sites. (Of which, I realise, this is one). That, I feel, can wreck lives and relationships much more effectively than watching a couple fuck.

 

Umm, don't think he was denying climate change, just arguing for rational evidence of it! But why are we even discussing it? This is a Chastity web-site! Lets get back on topic, eh?

 

Umm, so females can't enjoy porn? Really? That, in my view, is a bigotted and mysongynistic viewpoint. We aren't in the Victorian era anymore you know

 

Why the ?????. You stated you were surprised to find so many 'porn defenders' ( your words, I would say 'defenders of free expression and free speech') on a female first site.
Implication is pretty clear; porn is not for females. IMVHO, that is sad, sexist and totally wrong