The Great "anti" Porn debate

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    There are lots of reasons why people on this site try chastity, enjoying denial is one of them.
     
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    haha - I thought some people might think I am totally nuts, so trying to back it up:

    It is accepted fact that addiction causes brain shrinkage.
    How does Addiction physically shrink the brain?

    Here a longer thread citing multiple studies specifically to porn.

    Logging off now :) If I convinced at least one person today that it might be worth giving up porn it was worth it. If not - well I tried.

    Hugs and kisses :kiss:
     
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    There's plenty of free drugs (many of them, esp weed) and alcohol around if you know where to look for it. For anyone who wants it, and knows where to look, it can easily be had.

    lol @ everyone yapping about how much porn there is, who's paying for it and who's not, who's getting paid and who's not, etc., etc., etc. All of this isn't going to change a thing. At all. Porn has been around for centuries, long before TV and the Internet showed up, and it will be around long after anyone tries to disabuse the planet of it. That's not going to change, certainly not in the lifetime of anyone here right now, despite the hand-wringing and pearl-clutching of the OP, Lucy, or anyone else. And so long as western society fails to handle even basic human sexuality like actual adults, there will be no legitimate solution possible.

    So everyone of you can deal with it however you wish to deal with it. OP and Lucy can stop watching porn (to the extent they do to begin with), and the rest of us will go enjoying porn in whatever way we've always enjoyed it.
     
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    How interesting that you have three posts on the board, with no activity in eons except you show up to make a climate change denial post? lol Jesus.
     
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    Ya know the real thing about the climate change boondoggle? Even if it was real and provable, Americans aren’t giving up ours cars, motorcycles, trucks, boats and all the other fossil fueled toys, our climate controlled living and work areas or the other myriad of things that provide us the highest standard of living in the world. Not happening, no matter how much AOC whines and moans.
     
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    People already are and have been for some time now, long before AOC ever showed up in the delivery room.
     
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    That's the point, you haven't always enjoyed unlimited free porn of every variety piped to your house or phone, because it hasn't existed until relatively recently.
     
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    It has for the past 20 or so years. The "point" is, it's not going away. At all. In your lifetime.
     
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    Yeah Ranger, just like our continued use of fossil fuels. That’s not going away. At all. In your lifetime.
     
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    And what did you do for the other 30 years of your life before that? You managed to survive without it.
     
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    You are hang up on the "free" porn. The 20-30 years before "free" porn there were "almost free" porn. We could rent and buy porn and exchange with each other both magazines and videos. We did that a lot and I, and most of my friends, watched porn just as much then as now. Its not the prize thats a problem, neither is it with alcohol or weed.
     
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    You actively sought porn, but now it's piped into everyone's house and easy for any kids to see by mistake.

    For instance If a young kid heard the word threesome and googled it for some innocent reason, this is what comes up on google images:

    https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=t...2dvgAhWzUhUIHVDeCAEQ_AUIDygC&biw=1396&bih=657

    This must happen all the time.
     
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    more importantly I now know I will survive the NEXT 30 years without it.....
     
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    Very interesting discussion. There are a couple of points I’d like to make.


    Addiction - In this thread porn addiction is being related to drug and alcohol addiction. Eh… no, just no. Let’s get some perspective: Substance addition can kill you. Alcohol is considered the leading cause of death. 1 in 20 deaths globally reports the WHO. I haven’t heard of anyone dying from the consumption of porn. If you want to compare porn to something, video games is a better comparison.

    #MeToo - I’m presuming porn is going to become more prominent in the lives of men. The #MeToo movement has created a backlash among men in the workforce. Even though this started in Hollywood and Silicon Valley, there are reports from Wall Street how men do not want to associate with women incase women misinterpret their words/actions and decide to get offended. …And this is only the beginning. There are projections of gender segregation in the workforce, and it is thought there will be a movement where men will swear off women, even socially, to protect their careers. And because of the butterfly effect, porn may very well become a welcomed substitute for women. I’m not saying this is right or wrong, but I can understand the logic.

    'Ethical porn' - There are movements to create 'ethical porn’ but it hasn’t really become a standard thing yet. I think this needs to be supported, especially by organisations such as the WHO, UN, Amnesty International, etc. There are already singular ethical porn sites, but the idea of them needs to be publicised, and normalised, so people can make informed choices about their porn. Yes, there will always be people who want the unlawful, devious and grotesque, but I think many people want ethical porn too, to know that the porn they are watching was made according to human rights standards. Kind of like Fair Trade. But I think in order to do that, porn needs to be generally accepted as a human right (to make it, and to watch it) in society.

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    The whole issue is a double edged problem. On one side, stupid hormonal people that can't control their impulses are the primary problem whether gambling, smoking, drinking, doing drugs or watching porn. On the other side all of these things are too easily available making it so that stupid hormonal people can binge easily and unhealthily.

    As an intelligent person I don't have any problem with the amount or variety of any of these things. I don't smoke, I drink in moderation, I don't do drugs, I hate gambling, and I enjoy whatever kind of porn I want in a slice of my free time. Reality is without any exposure to kinky porn I had already figured out BDSM concepts and cravings as a teenager... internet exposure to kinky porn just taught me new and safer ways practice.

    So you're not entirely wrong in that the current over exposure isn't healthy for some people. None the less this doesn't make all porn EVIL. Its up to individual people to respect what content they have access to. And plenty of people engaged in porn and sex who aren't haven't any of the problems you describe.

    You aren't spouting science. But you are pointing at some societal issues the internet engaged parts of the world are suffering.
     
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    Plenty of deaths from porn addiction too: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=suicide+porn+addiction&t=brave&ia=web
    They studied brain scans and saw similarities in cocaine addicts and porn addicts.

    High speed internet porn is only around since about 15 years. I encourage anyone interested to look into the studies and boatload of info available. If you don't have a problem with porn good for you. To the men who regularly watch it try going without for a month let's see how it goes.
     
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    I am one of those stupid hormonal people, thanks for the label
     
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    Congratulations
     
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    Yeah... the top result:
    Suicide: One of Addiction’s Hidden Risks by Psychology Today

    It's not the porn that is the driver to suicide, it's addiction itself.
    It's bad science to only study 'end-chain' causality - 'porn addicts can become suicidal'. Good scientists would search for the root cause of suicidal ideation. It's not necessarily porn that creates a person's suicidal tendencies, but their porn addiction could be one of the last signs/drivers towards suicide. Often people have suicidal tendencies before they start their addiction, and in fact, these tendencies are often one of the reasons why they started their addiction in the first place.

    So, you've just 'defunked' your point. People can become suicidal because of any addiction - money, fame, food, surgery, exercise, substance, TV.... BUT, the addiction is likely the end sign of the problem, not the initial cause. The initial cause can quite often come from unrelated situations or life events such as loneliness, rejection, abuse, mental health problems, and even a family history of suicide.

    Saying porn causes suicide is not addressing the real problems of suicide victims.
     
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    I work directly with the people you so eagerly cut down as weak, stupid, needle freaks. Often bringing them back from death. They are anything but weak, stupid, needle freaks.

    One of the addicts I work with holds 9 patents for 9 different oncology drugs. She is an addict but I would not call her weak or stupid and most definitely not a freak. The work she has done in her life has no doubt saved thousands of people from an insidious death.


    The ignorance that you perpetuate into our society is exactly what keeps us stuck where we are. Too stupid and and closed minded to be willing to truly learn and understand what is going on. But so bold and brash jumping up and down on your soap box spewing misinformation calling people weak. Maybe you should actually spend some time educating yourself on the issues and then you could actually form an intelligent fact based opinion. Until then do your grandkid a favor and keep your ignorance to yourself.
     
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    It seems more likely that a guy who has just masturbated with porn as his fantasy fuel is far less likely to be motivated sexually to go out and sexually assault (or worse) people.

    That said... what you did not bring up is

    How many people that have committed and been caught and charged for sex related crimes try to mitigate their actions by CLAIMING they were driven to do it by watching porn?

    Just like a few years ago often people carrying out acts of violence blamed video games.
    Stealing vehicles and joy riding were all blamed on grand theft auto type stuff
    Its been said that the some of defenders of these people encourage them to make false claims that using various forms of media created the drive to commit whatever they were accused of in a bid to mitigate their mis-deeds and gain sympathy from judges and juries.

    I never met anyone that had a desire to dress up as an italian plumber or wear a gorilla suit brought on by video games.

    Linking porn use to sex related offences .. how is this done.. how honestly does anyone think a any kind of offender is going to be when asked about his/her video watching/playing habits and what they think motivated them to commit whatever they have been accused or convicted of?

    Facts and figures and quotes of someone or others study quoted in isolation can help prove an argument but you really need to know where these sources come from what their agenda was and how accurately and unbiasedly they were compiled.
     
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    "Addiction - In this thread porn addiction is being related to drug and alcohol addiction. Eh… no, just no. Let’s get some perspective: Substance addition can kill you. Alcohol is considered the leading cause of death. 1 in 20 deaths globally reports the WHO. I haven’t heard of anyone dying from the consumption of porn. If you want to compare porn to something, video games is a better comparison." Eh... yes, just yes. For making a comparison you dont need that comparison to be perfect. But other than that I agree that addiction to video games might be better as comparison. Anyway you are free to have your opinion about how to make comparisons as well as I am free to have mine.
     
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    Thank you :+1:
     
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    How many people watching child porn started with normal porn?

    Has your porn viewing changed over the years or are you still getting off on watching a normal vanilla scene??
     
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    I dont see it as a problem. Thats maybe because I am a horny man. At least 90% of the boys and many of the girls (when I was a teenager) were curious and actively sought porn. I believe it is a normal and healthy process. Yes some might see some pictures they dont like, so what? It wont kill them. Many of my friends also have walked in on their parents while they were having sex (funny, nudity and sex were more open at that time) so what? It didnt kill them. They might find it disgusting. Yes - not a real problem.
     
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