OK so we have decided to give Mature metal a try. the problem for us is we can't decide which way to go. My wife likes the look of the dungeon but I fear the loose skin might get pinched in the openings since the bands run horizontal around the penis.. Any feedback? I like the birdcage for cleaning issues, and overall looks, and weight. However the tube with a modified hood (as Mature metal said he would do) is what I am leaning towards. The edema I had with my lori tube is really what scares me off the birdcage. The tube would give me the same similarities as the CB6K, which if not for the fact that it traps moisture and causes hygiene problems would still be the best fitting device to date. despite all these concerns my biggest question is what are concealability differences. Sounds odd but sometimes the CB6K is a little too much for dress slacks at work. The pictures on MM's site leaves me a little apprehensive because they do not look like there is downward angle like there is on the CB6K and since it shows in rare occasions are these going to be worse? Thanks in advance for your help gang.