Star Wars Ep VIII The Last Jedi SPOILERS

I still wonder why someone has to post "spoilers"?

 

It thought it was an impressive film, however slightly underwhelming on first viewing. I will definitely see it again in the hope it grows on me.
I think Snoke is the biggest disappointment in cinematic history. But other than that I thought it was just fine.
Could have been better, most definitely could have been worse.

 

good movie. funnier than I expected. Kinda upset we didnt get any back story on stoke. Whats up with that?

 

I saw it last night and was underwhelmed. It was "OK" but I lacked the pumped feeling that comes from watching a really good movie. The Snoke character seemed cartoonish and his whole chamber reminded me of something from the original Star Trek. I think it lacked character development as I just didn't connect to any of the characters and just wouldn't have hurt my feelings if any of them died.

 

Just saw it last night @verne and I have been a huge Star Wars fan my whole life. I came out of the movie theater vaguely disappointed, however I distinctly remember feeling the same way the first time I saw Empire Strikes Back which in retrospect is either the best or second best of all the movies. I still say the original is the best, but that's because it started it all. At any rate I digress.

I'm not sure if my disappointment is because the movie is intended to give you that feeling. Like I was genuinely angry in Empie that Darth Vader could be Luke's father. No! That's not true! That's impossible! I remember being really mad, why would they screw up Star Wars with all this drama? So maybe with time I'll come to see Last Jedi this way too?

I have this lingering doubt though that my disappointment was more of a response to perceived hokiness than anything else. The whole slow motion chase through space concept was in my opinion really bogus. Really? The empire can't make ships fast enough to catch them? They did in the first Star Wars Or just launch enough fighters to blow them up? I mean they have weapons that can blow up planets, but their harmless against the shield on the cruiser? Also people seem to be able to leave the ship, travel at light speed to another planet and come back. Why not just send them to get some fuel?

Also none of the remaining or new characters have the charisma or screen presence of Han Solo. I think one of the reasons Force Awakens was so good was he played such a big role in it. And a final critique I think they just tried to cover too much ground and didn't do enough justice to any of the story lines.

There was a lot I liked about the movie and it certainly wasn't a piece of garbage like episodes I and II (f***ing Jarjar). I'm also glad Disney has control of it now as I'm sure we'll see a lot more side and back stories like Rogue One. I'm hopeful with time I'll look past the surface stuff that bugged me and see more of the great story you saw as I did with Empire. In the meantime though I would say a step backwards from Force Awakens.

 

Ok snoke (awful name), seems like a grizzled veteran of the dark side, where exactly was he when Vader was tossing the emperor down the shaft. Who is he? How did he get so powerful? He was in the middle of stating how he knew of everything in kylos mind yet didn’t see him force the saber?

Kylo. Ok someone finally told him wearing a breathing mask when you don’t need one is lame. His big inner conflict was with snoke apparently cause he keeps calling him a pussy Vader wannabe, in the end he still wants to rule.

Luke. isn’t he the guy that sensed the good in Vader and refused to fight even when yoda and obiwan both told him he must face him? So the second he senses darkness in his own nephew he turns vigilante killer? The same guy that walked in to meet the emperor unarmed is now too scared to get involved? Why exactly doesn’t he want to train Rey, what’s the worst that could happen, he already made a mess of Kylo. You would think he would be hoping to redeem his mistakes. Was it really necessary to see Luke milk ... whatever that was, and drink it?

The chase. Most of this movie revolves around the oj Simpson white bronco chase of cruisers. The elaborate plan to get inside the other ship was ultimately a waste. Light speed collision? Why didn’t they just sacrifice one of their ships doing that in the beginning?

Yoda and anekin. Apparently they can see what’s going on, they should know that Kylo wants to aspire to be Vader...why don’t they project themselves to Kylo and tell him he’s being a tool. He could hear from Vader himself. Instead yoda pops in to tell Luke that the ancient teachings are common sense and there isn’t anything in them that Rey won’t figure out on her own.

Leia. she’s known she’s Darth Vader’s kid for how many years and didn’t try to utilize the force? Why exactly is she a general in charge of tactics maneuvering fleets and logistical planning...wasn’t she a princess? I bet the actual military personnel overlooked were a bit peeved. She is sucked into he vacuum of space and survived, yet her mom loses the will to live and just dies.

Rey. Her big backstory is she had shitty parents that abandoned her?

Overall. I thought it was forced, unfocused, and incomplete. The main plot line most are interested in exploring is the Jedi/sithe one. Yet most of the immediate past is overlooked and merely grazed upon with Luke’s reaction to Kylo. Snoke, Rey, and Kylo are still a mystery. They went past it and it doesn’t seem like they are going to bring it up. The only saber fighting was against a few guards. So overall I was disappointed.

What I really would like to see is a movie about Vader. Hunting Jedi, being a bad ass, or maybe a subplot about Vader clones. Really the only awesome part of any of the new movies was when the emperor turned anekin to the dark side and he went all sithe lord on everyone, and his fight with obiwan.

 

My father was 25 when A New Hope was released. He never talks about, his friends don’t discuss it and for them the world moves on. I say this because these movies are made for kids.

I took my kids to see the movie and at 7 years old my son was on the edge of his seat. Loved everything about it. I was picking apart details, disagreeing with plot line options and generally over thinking it.

I watched it opening night and it was just yesterday talking with a friend that we all need to “breathe” and realize this is not for us.

 

True, although that is what many are afraid of including myself. We were under the wrong assumption that the story would mature as its original audience does. It doesn’t, they are fine movies that kids love, and that is it. Our generation holds on to it like a possession, mostly because it was such an iconic part of childhood.

I have a scar on my chin, after watching the first movie in the theater I tied a blanket to the railing of our stairs and tried to swing down like Luke. I ended up plummeting like the coyote lol. I guess no one likes to see something that was such a part of their childhood not live up to their expectations. Then again, that’s a pretty tall order.

 

I believe the stand alone movies like Rogue One and the Han Solo will be for the generation that grew up with it. Darker and a deeper meaning rather than the sky high unbelievable story line of the trilogy.

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All Star Wars movies have big logic gaps. Think about blasters. They are energy based weapons and what they shoot should travel at the speed of light. If they did they would appear as a continuous beam like a laser. The affect is cooler though the way they did it. We accept logic failures in movies if they're entertaining enough for us to overlook them.

I thought both Force Awakens and Rogue One were awesome. I would rank them both ahead of Return of the Jedi. I'm glad that we're getting a new generation of characters and I think they got off to an awesome start. I just think they stumbled with this one. I think they were trying to live up Empire as a second movie and failed.

 

Again ... if we could just light speed kamakzi and take out battle cruisers... why isn’t that a battle plan. One ship that takes out one of their massive destroyers...sorry but they could have leveled their fleet with limited losses.

 

I like Star Wars but am by no means a purist. That being said I'm kinda meh on the new movie. I like the direction they took with Luke getting jaded by his "fallen angel" disciple. I liked how they make Adam Driver's character a complicated villain and not just a personification of evil for evil's sake. The things I didn't like were that the majority of the movie amounted to a slow motion car chase, the director lazily offed Snoke to usurp expectations, and lazily explained away Rey's parent's as a couple of vagrants to the same end. I didn't expect much of a payoff on either but the previous movie would lead you to believe that there would be some kind of fanfare around the reveals; It just seemed cheap. That being said I wasn't too upset. These are after all movies that are supposed to be primarily accessible to a younger generation and I have already received enough enjoyment out of the original 3.

 

I loved the Film but I do have a few issues with it.

1. The original trilogy and subsequent prequels all made it clear that being a Jedi was a lifetime commintment, Children were taken at a young age and trained with a master for most of their young lives to become first a Jedi, Then a Jedi knight and finally a Jedi master. In this trilogy however Rey goes from knowing nothing of the forced to using it at her will with only 3 very basic lessons and a very short amount of time. It just feels like a betrayal to me of the story allready told about a Jedi's commitment.
2. Luke Skywalkers character. He is the great Luke skywalker, The son of the chosen one. Okay he may turned sought solitude to meditate on things but to close himself of from the force and compleetly turn his back on the galaxy? Felt like a betrayal of his character and previous acheivements.
3. Lightsabre battle. I loved the way that the tech displayed in this new trilogy was the same as the original trilogy, to quote Han Solo "Chewie, Were home". I would have liked however for them to have kept the amazing light sabre scenes from the prequel series.

Those are my only issues and although I feel they big issues I did overall like the film and maybe the third instalment will repoair some of these issues I have.

 

Or how about Luke casually throwing his old light saber over the cliff. Yes I know it was meant to be funny and unexpected, it seemed rude to the audience. The whole prior movie was a build up to that moment. I can see him doing it in anger, fear, or even in a creepy hermit “leave me alone” kind of way, but not the shrugging shoulders “been there done that” way.

 

I could not agree more. I saw it a week ago and have left some time to ponder over it. Ultimately, I fear I am becoming jaded with Star Wars films. Less is more. Something Americans seldom understand, if I can be a little stereotypical. I think Rogue One has been the best film since the original trilogy and I cannot see it being topped for a while, if ever.

 

I think for many people of my age (A New Hope came out when I was 4), new SW movies are always going to have a certain disappointment factor because we can't recapture what it was like to be a little kid. However, I really enjoyed The Last Jedi.

Ade Edmundson was great casting for me, added a bit of needed humour, all the original trilogy have a surprising amount of humour in them and I think the series needs to not take itself too seriously.

Strong female characters and lots of them. I don't need to add more to that on this forum.

Too many characters. I couldn't invest or see much development in them because there just seems to be too many people and too little camera time.

Like Lucy I thought the casino planet was meh. And all those creatures they saved, they'll just be rounded up again tomorrow surely?

The lightspeed attack was pretty awesome. Lightspeed missiles anyone?

I would have liked Luke to go out on a gritty full on battle, rather than the projection deception. I understand that this was a pretty cool thing but I think after all the years it would have been nice to see him wielding the sabre like a boss one last time.

It's a bit safe I have to say. There were scenes, interactions and concepts that seemed a little like a medley of what everyone liked about the original trilogy. Safe is better than rubbish though.

All in all, I'm happy with the film, wouldn't rush back to watch it again, but hey I'm old now. As annual says above Rogue One has been the best of the bunch in my book as well.

And now seeing as I'm old I'm going to bore you with an anecdote, Grampa Simpson style. In 1983, ROTJ was released in the US before the UK by quite a long time. I went and bought the american novelisation of the film, which was stupidly released before the film over here, then went into school and spoilered everyone I could find. Tee hee.

 

Okay, I'll go against the general sentiment here. I consider The Last Jedi the worst Star Wars movie so far. The visuals are great and the music okay, but the plot and characters are so horrible it makes me shocked that somebody gave the script a go.

Honestly, my list of gripes is so long I'd have to write a wall of text to comment on all the things that I dislike about that movie, and the more I think about it, the more errors I find. So let me mention just a few examples.

Poe begins an attack Leia, the commanding officer, okayed, destroys a huge ship while losing 50 people tops, saves everyone's behind as those huge guns would have destroyed the whole Resistance fleet within minutes, and Leia scolds and demotes Poe?

Kylo refuses to kill his mother when he has the chance, then does his best to kill her less than a day later, without anything to explain such a change of heart?

The first order managed to conquer the new republic within days of losing the Starkiller base?

How the heck could DJ sell Hondo's plan to the First order? Neither Finn nor Rose knew a plan existed, much less what the plan was.

Why turn Luke, one of the most beloved heroes in movie history, into a person who'd sneak in to murder his nephew in his sleep?

Who the heck made Rey's parents nameless jerks, after episode 7 spent so much time hinting at Rey's past?

Speaking of episode 7, the main reason Finn had to help Poe was because Finn was no pilot. And now he's somehow the ace who outflew Poe and would have managed to destroy that siege cannon if it wasn't for Rose?

The list could go on and on and on...

 

Wow - what a discussion - so the movie can't be THAT bad!
But I will admit honestly: I was a bit pissed at the end as well.

I think my main problem (being an Oldie and still clearly remembering my amazement when seing the first Star Wars movie) is the radical generational break.
Hated to see the end of Han Solo (my only real hero in all the years) in the last Episode, now Luke - and we all know that there's no Carrie Fisher anymore (even all the bad guys have been erased).
And the next Generation is too obviously geared to catch all possible target groups - the first female hero (sorry Ladies, not meant bad), a black man, some asian girl, in the end even children - as you know my brain: I was sitting there thinking "I wonder when the first gay Jedi will show up?!"
Don't think this was about being "PC", but to pick up as many merchandize-customers as possible.
But I think, I will handle it the same way Lucy did: I will watch it a second time (and yes: in 3D and with Dolby-atmos it still was amazing anyway)...

 

well, that was a bit Daily Mail....

 

Yep, that's me doing those!