Why wouldnt they count? An orgasm is an orgasm after all Personally i don't like the name "ruined" orgasm. It gives it a negative vibe that takes away from how awesome they are. I actually learned about them when I first started having sex years ago. I realized when my bf would pull out and "ruin" himself that he was ready to go again in no time and would last as long as I wanted him to afterwards, but when he had a full blow orgasm he was down for the count. I always thought it was just how you had good sex until hubby introduced me to them as ruined orgasms. Pretty sure it's common knowledge to ruin the first one if you want a long night of sex. All the negative implications only apply if that's all the poor guy is going to get lol.