Low testosterone levels correlated with male submissiveness?

I have an androgen insensitivity, and have been gradually converting less and less for the last 2 years. I will say that I feel that I have felt increasingly submissive in that time.

I cannot say which is the result though, for in that same period is when we started wearing the device, started this lifestyle etc.

On the other hand, it could have been just the push i needed to be open and honest with someone about my needs.

 

As in “is there any correlation between high testosterone and aggressive dominant behavior.”

Yes there is.

The opposite is true.

Men and women both have testosterone and estrogen. Give women a little extra testosterone and we get more sexually minded. Give us a lot and we get muscles and beards.

 

Testosterone only makes males aggressive when that male is already prone to aggression. It has more to do with brain structure and learned behavior.

 

Sounds like a very good separate thread, maybe titled are there any submissives here. I myself was interested in the particular hormone levels, and their feelings of corresponding submissiveness.

 

My high school boyfriend decided to take steroids (testosterone) which made him very aggressive. He wasn’t like that before the hormones. Also he went bald and his cock shrank. Great muscles though, handy for taking out his anger about his shrinking cock on anyone he felt like. He never hit me but he became a jerk very quickly.

 

That's very interesting. I definetly believe that lower testostrone levels effect behavior. The lower the testosterone levels are, the more socially minded we get. We talk more, we want to belong to a group and look for social cues which we obey so we keep being a member of that group. Basically, what girls do since middle school and get better at it Men with high testosterone basically don't cae for social rules anymore. The typical "rebel" or "lone wolf" does his own rebellious wolfing thing thing. He doesn't talk much and hates waiting or taking care of those who don't benefit him. To sum up, higher testosterone levels make us less socially minded, lower testosterone levels make us more socially minded. So, I wouldn't call it 'submissive' in general. maybe I would call it submissive to collective social rules (?) but that doesn't sound right either.

We say chastity makes us submissives and/or submissives like chastity - both isn't neceserily true as the discussion above shows. Let's not confuse the effects of hormonal changes on behavior in general with our focus on submissiveness in particular. Calling someone who is more socially minded submissive is not totally appropriate, I think.

So follow-up question: How does chastity effect the hormonal abalnce in our systems? Are there maybe studies on people who abstain from orgasms? How would you study this? How does repeated sexual arousal factor into this? is the social dynamic between the person in chastity and their keyholder cause, effect or a catalystr?If I were a hormonal/behavioral researcher this would be a really really intersting field of study to get into!!

From my own experience (late 20s, no partner, self-locked) I observe in my behavior (and many probably share this observation):

In the first two/three weeks of chastity ...

1. my energy goes through the roof. i am constantly on edge. Every girl I meet is an angel. An angel i like to touch and kiss and do beautiful things with. --> sign of high testosterone?
2. Small talk gets easy, jokes come quick. So does the cream in my pants. --> sign of high testosterone?
3.I dress up in female clothes way more often and longer. I feel the need to go outside and tell everyone about it, no matter what they say, and actually I drop hints and make wierd comments --> sign of high testosterone? But in all the years of doing this I never 'came out' about my crossdressing, fearing the social backlash. --> sign of low testosterone? or just common sense

After this periode, everything becomes quieter. in the infamous "flatline" zone ...

1. I think less about masturbation and sex, even less than before beginning with chastity --> sign of lower testsorerone
2. the cage gets annoying. the snake doesn't raise it's head against the metal that much anyomore. my ball trap devices chafe, are bulky and heavy. So I only wear them at nights when I feel more sexual and fear I might have night emissions --> no idea what that could signify, but propably lower testosterone since the sexual energy subsides and all that is left are 'the juices'
3. I still dress up but I don't know if less or more than before. --> sign that there is a need for long term studies! I am a willing participant!

I have not yet managed to get beyond this flatline zone. After about one or two months of intense horniness and play, I managed a month or so of increasing sexual boredom 8or maybe it was outside factors...) and ended it absolutely unspectecularly with one of the most unsatisfying orgasms I ever had. That should teach me I definetly want to push myself and see what awaits me beyond...

If we could theorize from this observation of behavior, using sexual energy as a sign of high testosterone, we could say something about the hormanal balance.
1. short-term chastity (2-3 weeks) - horny as f*ck - all the time --> testosterone levels rise
2. middling-term chastity (2-3 months) - sometimes horny but not as much --> testosterone levels fall
3. long-term chastity (years) - no data --> no conclusion, needs studying!

From this we can infer (maybe contraray to popular belief): Practicing chastity in repeated short periods raises your testosterone levels which makes you care less about the social consequences of your actions. And that is why we are brave enough to wear cloths that we shouldn't wear and engage in sexual practices that we wouldn't have considered possible before. Feminization or more extreme sissyfication isn't submission per se. Sissyfication is born out of a hormone filled mist that blinds us to the consequences of our actions just enough so that we do it.

To theorize further: We 'males' in chastity have sub-average testosterone levels without chastity. That makes us intrested in all things feminine. With chastity we get that testosterone kick we need to be brave enough to follow our desires. We are submissives by nature in that we submit to the social role of 'male" in public space. With chastity we boost our courage-drugs and say 'to hell with it'. Boiled down, one could say: Sissys are rebels.

How does submission in relationships factor into thsi? Maybe sissys in chastity need a guiding hand and every chance they get to justify their rebellious behavior Plus low testosterone persons really need those cuddles more than anyone! Anyway, that's another very interesting discussion.

As I get older I'm curious how my hormones will change who I am and what I dare to do....

This really is an interesting subject! Thank you so much @SirenSong for bringing it up!

 

Testosterone is not the only ingredient in steroids. Aggressive behavior is more environmentally influenced than chemical. I have recommended this before but Robert Sapolsky's book "behave" sheds light on the myth of Testosterone induced violence. As well as answers why we do what we do.

 

Edit "environmentally influenced biology"

 

I was born with one testicle. My testesterone has always been low but I didn't realize it until later in life. I grew up an iowa farm boy with plenty of muscle development. I did 15 years in the Army. I have fathered children. Never had an erection problem. Am i submissive?...yes because that's what I consider myself. Growing up as a kid I was ALWAYS scared to death other kids would see I only had one testicle in the showers. i became very shy and withdrawn at an early age. I was never part of the macho guys crowd. I'm 6'4", 200 lbs. I'm not a weakling or a wimp or a sissy and that's not a judgement to anyone who wears that title. My condition has made me very un-confident with women. I consider myself submissive because I don't consider myself a dominant or an agressive person in any type of personal situatiion.
I don't think there is any link between testerone and being submissive. It has never limited me in my life. I can still get erect and I can still ejaculate and i still get horny. I still watch porn now and then too except i like the bondage and discipline stuff and I'm the one tied down, tied up and caged. I'm the submissive one because i choose to be, I'm comfortable with that. I've stopped trying to come up with a reason or someone to blame and just accepted it. .

 

YES Mistress LUCY.....there are some submissives on here.

 

Hahaha, harsh....I like it.

 

We could ask the opposite question. Are their any Doms here but I'm to submissive to even ask. Cheers

 

I will give you partial credit for a clever reply. Though I must say that your comment was misguided...but that's okay.

 

My testosterone has dropped significantly with age and I also have become increasingly submissive and docile. Connection or coincidence? Don't know.

 

I can weigh in on this... I have a genetic condition where I am "genetically female" "phenotypically male" where I am all male but I don't produce testosterone and can't have kids and small testes. I didn't get diagnosed until I was 27 and I am 31 now, I have been on testosterone treatment for 3 years .5ml delatestryl weekly. Anyways. Before I was diagnosed I slept in constantly and was always tired and just burnt out, I was hardly angry and tried to make everyone else happy, my happiness was non excistant tbh, I had no energy and just kept pushing myself. Since then I notice a difference in my attitude, I don't take shit easily and I speak up more... I am a roller coaster of emotion I go from the level of a 90 year old man to a 18 year old every few days...

 

My testosterone level has now dropped to 196.
Maybe that is why I enjoy being a chaste sissy.

 

Mine is dropping, too. Don't know if it's a result of my wife feminizing me or not but I feel less manly every day. Maybe the lipstick, nail polish and pierced ears are having an effect?

 

To lessen roller coaster -effect take half the amount of medication but twice as often (.25 ml every 3.5 days). Other suitable route is to take aromatase inhibitor to lessen testosterone to oestradiol conversion.

My body produces too much oestradiol and thereby makes me feel constantly burnt out, weak and submissive. I am slim but I have boobs. With aromatase inhibitor I am pretty much normal but still have submissive feelings in bedroom. So yeah, hormones have lots of effect.

 

I think there's a lot of confusion between hormonal behavior and social behavior. To oversimplify it greatly, I think hormones effect your knee jerk reaction feelings and social personas/interactions/etc effect lifestyle. Someone with higher testosterone when confronted may quickly get the feeling of "I'm going to f---ing punch you" but they don't walk around like the hulk punching wimps and kicking trashcans because they're so aggressively testosteriffic. So, on the other side of the coin, it may make one more adverse to conflict and physical violence but it doesn't necessarily make someone submissive.