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    Clearstatic Any reception yet?

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    So last year when I introduced chastity to my wife of course I bought obligatory books hoping she would immediately read them and turn into the key holder of my dreams!

    I'm sure most if you know how that went...

    Well this year she actually initiated our chastity restart. (Currently 12 weeks orgasm free 24/7 locked). She brought up that she wanted to read the books I bought but finding time to read with three kids was near impossible and wanted help figuring out a way to listen to the books.

    We found one of them on audible. Georgia Ivey greens "a key holders guide". Perfect. My wife told me last night that she had a chance to listen to some of the book and she was kinda thrown off....

    It's narrated by a MAN! Seriously?? I felt this as a serious injustice to the author and the spirit of the lifestyle.
     
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    That book is an overload to a new vanilla keyholder.
     
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    My opinion is has not changed on this. If anyone is interested in learning about a topic they need to go to other people that are experienced... and I don't mean a book.

    CM has a great VERIFIED FEMALE community that she can talk to. I would suggest she make an account here, make a couple friends as if it were a "Facebook Group"... and avoid the "verified males".

    I could sit here and give you my opinion and it would probably hit home with you, but even you agree... A male's opinion on this topic really doesn't hit home with a woman, you even said it in your post. I would suggest it to her, communicate with her about what she wants... I am sure you would do just about anything for her, hang in there my friend.
     
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    #4 Clearstatic, Jul 25, 2020
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    She is not interested at this point with joining a message forum.

    She did say the book has been helpful so far and has helped her think up some ideas. She is vanilla but open minded.

    She has been trying to wrap her head around my desire for kink. Feeling me out and finding out what she is comfortable with and what she isn't. Everything has been on her terms and I haven't been pushing her.
     
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    If you could find a copy of Sarah Jameson's first book, "Be careful what you wish for" , that might be good. She wrote it specifically for vanilla couples. It's less involved than Ms Ivey's book.

    Unfortunately, the site has been down for years, and the book, IMO, is overpriced. I don't even know if it's still in print.

    But somebody might have an ebook copy they would be wiing to "loan" to you.

    Edit: Ms Ivey passed away a few years ago. It occurred to me that her husband might have narrated it in order to keep it going.
     
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    My wife actually brought that theory up as well that maybe it was her husband. But didn't know she passed away. Sad to hear.

    Thanks for the book recommendation.
     
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    Well my wife thought that the book had been written by a man! :eek:
     
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    How about a fictional book with a chastity theme may help her get the idea and get in the mood. Personally I am totally biased but "The Good Wife" by BR Saiph is about a vanilla couples journey into chastity. Also available on audible.
     
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    I agree with king hippo, she doesn’t have to join the site and start chatting, she could just read though posts that match your situation.
     
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    I'm not discounting your advice. But. One step at a time.
     
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    i started out by writing down what i thought i would like in my sex life, what i thought an flr could be and how chastity would help me achieve my goals. only then did i seek information and ideas elsewhere. a word of caution. not everyone is who they claim to be regardless of what a site may claim. most have an agenda that they want you to buy into. male porn driven concepts are often bought by females even when they are flawed. lastly chastity is not about not having sex it is about having sex when, where and how you want it and often is ok.
     
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    You mean, you really think somebone would do that? Just go on the internet and tell lies?

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    that
    that part is bad enough. when people believe them is when it gets scary!
     
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    Glad to hear I wasn’t the only one to infer that. borbulls1961 wrote on another post that his wife read about 20 pages into the Lucy Fairbourne book before dropping it. I had the exact same experience with a previous keyholder, so I decided to transgress and open it. It is no surprise women don’t go over the first 20 pages (it’s the intro). Some decent enough info there, but as soon as you get to Part II (Exercises - Choosing a device…), you’ve lost them. How is it possible to think this was written with females as the target audience?! No doubt Clearstatic’s and Anonoman’s had suspicions about who wrote such books. They aren't much help.
     
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    Do you have any reading material that you would suggest ormaz?
     
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    While I agree that it makes sense to prioritize guidance from other women, she may very well benefit from hearing the perspective of males as well. How better to get into the head of her own male than understanding how it affected other males?

    Also, just as what you get from a book may not be applicable to your situation, the information from experienced individuals in the community may also be irrelevant. Different people have different needs, wants, and values, so no matter where you get your information, you need to separate the wheat from the chaff and apply it to your own circumstances.
     
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    Correct, but maybe it is better to get a stratified sample of opinion that is equal in proportions. I think we all know male opinions on this site are a dime a dozen. Granted some opinions are better than others, but if you post a question to the public... you are probably going to be a 9M:1F ratio.
     
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    There’s also the slight issue that most of the women here are not going to have direct experience with fitting a male chastity device on themselves, and thus being experts on how to size them, adjustments to make, or types to try if a certain model fails in a certain way.

    A book that contains that information is going to be out of date by the time it’s released because there are always new products and new companies being created.

    I could easily see a key holder guide being co-written by a man who can provide information on fit and solutions. The challenge would be translating that data in such a way that it’s coming from one key holder to another, which would be tricky.

    A more honest approach would be fire the key-holding author to admit to being out of her depth, and announcing that the next 1+ chapters are mainly by and for the device wearers.

    Published books on modern chastity devices are relatively new. If not done already, I strongly suggest that people post reviews being specific about when their suspension of disbelief gave out. That might help future authors reconsider their planning out their own books on chastity.
     
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    Alas, I don't. Really don't. I wish I could but, to the best of my knowledge, there aren't any out there yet.
     
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    a few facts to face. key holder come in 3 basic categories. 1 the professional key holder. you now the type that shows off a ring of 30 or more keys that they are paid to keep and serve the guys fantasy for a fee. yes a prostitute of sorts. then the second group is the wife or girlfriend who wants to make their mate happy, so they serve his fantasy and try to find what pleasure the can as the servant in this relationship. lastly and most likely the smallest group which ma'ats fall into is we lock him up for our own reasons. using chastity as a tool of power and control with an end goal far greater than just locking up the male organ. it is this group that can tell you about all the problems of how to put a cage on him vs him doing it himself. these are the ones who now what damage is done, not by feeling but by seeing, oopps i pinched some more skin. ohh that going to be a lasting blood blister. wow that ball needed some real force to pop right through. wonder if it will be harder ton get out? the first 10 minutes of purple balls mean nothing. purple after 20 is a problem. it's about what i see not what he feels.

    and no this group does not feel compelled to write a book to convince other xx's to do the same. we are a group of true dominants with no need to prove ourselves to others nor do we need followers to prove what we do is right
    every book i have read on the subject seems like they have an axe to grind or justification for what they do. some good ideas soaked in dogma. the rest is about making money. oohhh are we back to prostitutes again. could be strictly business like miss lori telling stories to sell more cages.
     
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    could be 7 unverified males that are female not wanting additional male attention 1 gay male seeking male attention and two real males one of which is a verified female. then again they could all be bots.
     
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    How does the puck choose his 6 Ma'ats that he has sex with? Or do they choose him?
    Do 6 Ma'at's get together and then look for a puck?
     
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    I like that we're on the type of forum where "stratified sample" gets used correctly.
     
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