well is new to this, can`t remember how the idea came about but found myself ordering a device, well it turned up and did more thinking about (oh no beer or drugs was around at any stage), after a few hours got round to fitting it, took some time getting it right, snapped the padlock and placed keys in a safe outway place, not looking for a keyhold as one, just not given them the keys yet. well it was the keyhold who give this groups address and told to look around and read, so i did read and thank you A/all for posting, hope to post myself and to read more posts from you A/all.