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    I started wearing a device about a year and a half ago to try and even out our very different sex drives. My wife loves sex when she is in the mood. Her drive has diminished and sometimes it is now two to three weeks before she is really in the mood. I got in a bad habit of taking care of things myself and was not in the mood when she finally was. After many lengthy discussions we started with the cage and the spark came back and she no longer felt pressure to have sex when she was not in the mood. Things to me felt like it was when we just met in our early twenties. My wife is not Dom and never will be and I do not want her to be because my personality is not sub. For us it is all about having our sex drives in sync. Unfortunately lately my wife is feeling guilty that she is not giving me enough sex and has been taking the cage off more often and having sex when she is not in the mood. I know she is not enjoying it at all which makes it a terrible experience for me. I have been trying to talk to her letting her know I know what she is doing for me but I can tell she is not enjoying it. I have said numerous times the best thing to do would be to have sex when she really feels wants and not worry how long I have waited. The wait is worth it to me. She then gets upset and says you said I can take the cage off when I want and I want to do this for you. She is correct and extremely loving and caring which I love but it is not enjoyable for either of us. Any thoughts on a way to handle this? A female perspective would really be appreciated.
     
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    Any suggestions from male or female welcomed.
     
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    I think you should help your wife to figure out why she doesn't want to have sex or why her sex drive is so low.
    This can have many reasons. Some people don't like their body and think others think the same. Sometimes their just not satisfied with the way sex works for them and they haven't had the right kind of sex or erotic play time.

    Can you remember what actions caused the two of you having sex in the past? Maybe cudelig in front of the tv? Or a day off with a lot of talking and doing vacation stuff, getting closer after a long working week?

    I would start there and try to get her comfortable. Maybe it gets her into the mood to get intimately with you. Carry on from there.
     
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    Personally for Me I prefer massage after a shower.Candles lit.Almond oil scented with Organic Sandalwood for the massage.Just lay on My front, back and shoulders massaged at first.Then moving onto legs and feet.Leaving out buttocks until after half an hour or so, then kneading buttocks and slipping hand around inner thighs.Still No genitals touched.By then I am soaking wet, and wanting oral badly.
    Turning around onto My back ,and getting My stomach gently massaged.Tops of My arms and slowly gently every now and then My Breasts.Nipples are erect and Im certainly feeling very aroused.The scent of Sandalwood helps.Neroli and Ylang Ylang also help sexual arousal.You will know when you partner is ready for touching her genital area.If she is not, then you don't go there.Make it all about Her.Not you.
     
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    Thanks guys for the replies but maybe my message was not clear. My wife loves sex! Her drive is just not as strong as mine and has diminished from what it used to be. The reasons are very simple, she is now in her late forties, we have kids and we both have stressful jobs. I totally understand why her drive is not like it used to be. That is why we started the cage so I would wait until she was ready. We do cuddle and I give back rubs and always help around the house. She really appreciates everything I do and that is why she feels guilty for not giving me as much sex as she used to. She feels like having sex when she is not in the mood is giving back to me for everything I do for her. I appreciate her thoughts and do not want to come off ungrateful to her. I cannot seem to get her to understand she does not have to do this for me. We have been married for many years so it is obvious to me when she is in the mood and not in the mood. I would just like to find a way to let her know I appreciate what she is doing but it would be better for both of us if she could just not worry how long it has been, I understand why. Maybe I should just be grateful she cares so much.
     
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    "She feels like having sex when she is not in the mood is giving back to me for everything I do for her" - That's simple - stop doing all of those nice things for her. - Just kidding!

    Maybe you could explain that what makes it great for you is when the two of you cum during sex and you are willing to wait until that can happen and that the wait is worth it.
     
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    Similar situation here. I don’t have the answer. I don’t think my wife has the answer either. But I have found through chastity that being more attentive, listening, taking chances on what she might like, and supporting her has made a difference in increasing how well we connect. She smiles more, cuddles more, and shares more. It also helped me redefine intimacy for myself as something much more that grinding genitals. What I was missing was recognizing and appreciating her feminine sexual energy, not more sex.
     
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    Thanks for the reply. If I could only get her to understand or believe me.
     
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    Have the two of you looked toward the medical profession for an answer? You say that she loves sex, but her drive is simply diminished. Perhaps a hormonal imbalance exists that is dampening her desire. It might be worth having a candid discussion with a physician.

    I wish the best to you both and hope you find a resolution.
    Best regards,
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    Ok I am not the female perspective, but will chime in because many times we fool around, or have sex, and it is because she’s doing it for me.

    I’m 3 inches, every single time she’s doing it for me. She gets her pleasure other times. Sometimes she wants to give me pleasure, that is her desire, it’s what she wants. Learning that just because it isn’t making her have a orgasm, it doesn’t mean that it’s not what she wants or enjoys. Would you feel the same way if she decided to give you a hand job? That too is all about you, and she isn’t getting anything out of it but the thrill of touching you. Instead of using her hand she’s using something else.

    So if it pleases her to give you pleasure, say thank you and do as she wishes. It’s not about your denial, it’s about making her happy, and from your post it sounds like the only one who isn’t playing ball is you. So buck up, let her make you feel good, because that makes her feel good.

    Good luck
     
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    Perhaps, like many of our partners, she is still finding her way. Denying you is not her nature.

    It seems as if she has accepted chastity. It just might take more time for her to not feel guilty. I think this is a pretty common scenario for many of us.

    In most other aspects of our relationships we seek some amount of balance. This just isn’t one of them. And, it is ok. Sort of.
     
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    Thanks for the replies and private messages. I posted this in vanilla life so the resolution for us is probably going to be pretty boring based upon some of the replies. It was not about my denial, I wear the device to even out our sex drives only. She has no physical issues or any other kinky things within our life. The guilt and release for unfulfilling sex that was supposed to be for me all went back to both of our busy lives. This past weekend it started again. My wife had a busy schedule of things she needed to get done. She called me to the bedroom with the keys and I broke our rules and stopped her. I asked if she really wanted sex now and she responded for me to not waste time the dryer only has 30 minutes left and I do not want the clothes to wrinkle and you have not gotten off in a while. Then she went on to tell me the other things she needed to take care of. Our sex basically was just one of her tasks that she needed to get off her list. We spent the half hour cuddling and talking about why I was in the cage. The reason is so she never needed to feel the need to have sex when it was not the right time. A day and a half later was the right time and we had three amazing rounds. When we were done she locked me up and said she totally forgot about the reasons she loved keeping me locked. Hopefully the reset on locking me works and we can continue on our very vanilla life with me locked until she is ready.
     
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    i am totally in your wife's position right now. Im starting to understand on a mental level the desire to be locked up and to let your partner take control and be in control. As a woman who is socialized to take care of others, and who is busy managing and fixing things for people ALL THE TIME, it is really hard to shut that off in the sex part. I'm hoping "knowing" this will lead to "feeling" this. In the meantime, i know my on-again/off-again interest, etc., is part of the battle to allow this part of my husband's and my life to be about me.
     
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    I may not speak up for my love, but this topic describes our situation perfectly as well. We both also have a busy live and sexual “relief” became in the way as it is being described in above posts.

    In the beginning of our chastity adventure, there was still a strong connection of "being in chaste" and our sex. I am kept more in "mental chastity" then caged (unfortunately) and my change of behaviour triggered both of us to move further along this road.

    After my confession to chastity, now 8 months ago, I've asked my love very explicitly to take over the control of my orgasms. I stopped masturbating and watching porn (as part of my previous “relief methods”).

    During our sex she started to learn the pleasure of denialing me. This brought back our passion and intimacy. Then she gradually increased the period of my denials to typically 2-4 weeks every time, which led to the effect that our both sex-drives became more in sync.

    In the meantime, our intimacy developed substantially, mentally as well physically. Mentally as we start talking more and more about our feelings and emotions. Physically as our interactions includes now tremendously more cuddling, massaging, rubbing and a lot of other things.

    Her “tease and denial” became my optimum mental and physical treasure. That is causing now that I’m much more looking forward to her T&D, rather than our PIV moments. During the T&D I have the feeling that our minds come strongly together, as she is continuously observing me to oversee all the results of her actions. We become much more “glued together” during these moments, rather than being focussed on our both reliefs like we did in the past.

    Speaking for myself I conclude that previously it was so easy to listen to my libido and create an easy access to my relief. Also, the caring mentality of my love helped me even with this (blaming myself for that). Now, by discovering chastity my own change of mindset and behaviour became the most important instrument to improve our both lives. I’m more focussed on “taking care of her” and most importantly talk about feelings, emotions and intimacy.

    We are learning about this adventure every day. A while ago, she told me that she would denial me for 4 months before she will consider my next full release. However, last weekend during our intercourse, she instructed me to cum on her command which I did. A day later she mentioned to me the drastic change of my mood and behaviour. And indeed, I felt “grumpy” and all energy drained out. I think this would become a very important lesson learned to continue the further development of our journey, which is perhaps about “switch of traditional mindsets” at both sides…
     
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    I understand my wives position and yours. I am not sure exactly what your husband is hoping for with chastity but for us it is to get our sex lives back into sync. No offense to anyone here but I am not sub and I love sex. Our challenge is that my drive has stayed the same and my wives has diminished. I basically became an addict of masturbation. The cage ensures I am ready when she is. The other thing that unexpectedly happened is my desire for her has come back to the feelings I had when we just met. My desire to cuddle, give back rubs and maybe just satisfy her now makes me extremely happy even if it means I do not orgasm. We have talked it out and seem to be back on track. She enjoys how I am when locked and when she unlocks me when she is really in the mood. I know it is against your nature to deny your husband but you need to realize that maybe you are really making him happy. I would suggest to let him give you the attention and satisfy you. He really wants to. As men we are always taught to be in charge, sometimes we really do not want to all the time. If your situation has any similarities to mine when my wife is not in the mood for sex and does it to supposedly make me happy it is miserable for both of us. When she is in the mood it is amazing and well worth the wait. My suggestion for you would be take the keys and tell your husband how this is now going to work. Make sure it is about you and satisfies your needs. Remember he wants you to manage his orgasms so do not let him tell you how things are going to be. Give it a try for a while and try and let not let your need to please get in your way. This is your opportunity to get pampered and treated special. One other area we discussed was that this put a spark back between us that we needed. Your husband wants this spark with you, many other women find out their husbands are getting their excitement by cheating, your husband desires you!
     
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    It sounds like you are finding your way. I enjoy sex to much to go four months but hopefully that works out for you. I really fought the masturbation problem and the cage has changed everything. Do not think I could have been successful with it. Have you thought of bringing up a cage as a way to make your situation easier. Maybe ask her to try it?
     
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    Thanks for this. We are using the cage now and then. However, my love seems to have still some reluctance to use it frequently and for longer periods on me. I feel she might still struggles with "a why question" and as @mrsKH said "hoping "knowing" this will lead to "feeling" this". For my love "feeling" is most of the time a "condition precedent" before she is doing something.

    My change, physically and mentally, is well recognised - and enjoyed - by both of us. Mentally, she might be not that far yet. Perhaps this is also not that strange, as chastity and denial was in my mind already for a long time before I've told her. For her it was a complete new topic.
     
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    I know exactly where you are at. I just went very slow at this point and really tried not to talk about it. Did all the things that really make her happy with a lot of attention. I also opened up about my real issue with masturbation and how I desperately wanted to stop. I reassured her the cage did not hurt me and she examined it many times. My wife also does enjoy sex, just not ss often is I do. She needed to know the cage helped the sex not hurt it. Keep going slow and I am sure you will get there.
     
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    Maybe try for some time teasing and sex without an O. Just a teaser. She will feel like having sex and maybe feel better about your needs and you when you do not O you will climb mountains to make her happy. Teasing should take less time, less energy, any time any place. Maybe it's meeting point for her giving you a kind of sex and for you not having a full sex, just waiting for her.
     
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    I used to feel like this too, as I was a submissive before I met my husband. He brought out my dominant side and now I never want to go back.

    But I used to think that if he is nice to me, I am supposed to give him sex. So I would, even if I didn't feel like it. This led to mediocre sex as it was hard for me to orgasm when not really turned on. So my husband and I had a talk, and he asked me to please only have sex when I am in the mood, even if he has to wait a long time.
    As a dominant, that should be the natural course of things but it took me a while to dare to do it.

    I now only have sex with him when I want to. This means he sometimes gets to wait a week or more, but the sex we do have is amazing for both of us. It's worth the wait. Quality over quantity.

    So OP, convince your wife that the wait is worth it for you. That you rather have sparks fly in all directions, than her passively giving it to you because she thinks she has to. She's the dominant and she may learn what that means.
     
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    I am like Drews, my wife is very vanilla and low sex drive. I wear a device to even out our desires, wearing a device calms my sex drive and when you know for sure you aren't having sex, it makes it easier. Wife can unlock anytime she wants sex. We have sex more on her terms now and not mine, she says she feels less pressured and relaxed about it. We still have sex, just not for my release.
     
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    It’s me again. It will be a year under her control of my orgasms at the end of this month. Looking back at my prior post, I thought I’d provide more experienced insights. Hopefully the original poster is still around and benefiting from chastity.

    I thought the same thing. Placing myself under her control, learning about her love language, and giving her attention when we speak has done wonders for her sex drive.

    We dealt with the guilt as well. I made it clear to her that I only wanted sex if she was in the mood. This eventually changed to me showing her intimacy in other ways than sex and waiting for her to initiate any sex (anything involving our bits. Anything else was fair game to establish intimacy.) This didn’t happen all at once, but now she is the one who initiates and she is comfortable telling me she is tired or has too much on her mind. (I told her my job is to help her clear her mind, too.)

    It is not enough to tell her that you want sex to be about her needs and mood. You also need to demonstrate that is really what you want by telling her “Thank you” when she lets you know she is not in the mood or thanking her for letting you please her on nights when she is the only one who has an orgasm. “Duty sex” is something that woman are taught over many years and is hard to unlearn. However, once she is set free, sex becomes more enjoyable for her since it is on her terms.

    Not anymore for us.

    From a man’s perspective, getting what you want, when you want is sort of boring. Yes, it is what every young boy want when he grows up, but it is a bit like buying yourself a present. Sure you get the thing you want, but you miss the anticipation (Unless you order online,lol) and the emotional connection. Making sex unpredictable increases my efforts to seduce and serve. It makes every day foreplay and seemingly makes sex much longer than 10 minutes between the sheets.

    Lastly, chastity needs to be combined with self discovery. Take active steps to learn about improving a relationship (books, relaxation audios, planned discussions, date nights, etc.) Chastity by itself it is not the answer, but it can be the match that ignites change.
     
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    Hey that's interesting, thanks for sharing that with us. It explains a lot about the sex I used to have, and why the sex I have now is so much better. I can work with this.
     
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    @Blue00, the phrase 'duty sex' really resonated with me for many reasons. Either giving or receiving 'duty sex' is dispiriting.
     
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    Well, you aren’t masturbating and you are ready when she wants you. I’d say let her enjoy doing things FOR you as gift giving can be as good as receiving. I’m sure things will evolve if she wishes.
     
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