Feminization and Respect

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    Unfortunatel,y there is no way to change that at this point.
     
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    A very interesting and thought provoking thread. I would like to draw a distinction between those men who feel that they were born in the wrong body (i.e. Transgender) and those men who enjoy wearing clothes generally accepted as women's clothes (i.e. Transvestites). I also think that there is a further distinction between men who love to present themselves as women on an occasional basis and, when they do so, try to be as convincingly female as they can and men who find it humiliating to be forced to wear female clothing and make no attempt to convince.

    The reality is that many women wear jeans, tee-shirts and trainers sometimes these days, so probably not much fun for men in copying that. There really is no male equivalent of stockings, suspenders, stilettos and red lipstick (deliberate cliche here, so please don't go off on one).

    I do understand how women can be offended by sissies and their idea of femininity, however, perhaps those sissies are simply portraying the type of woman they aspire to be rather than saying that all women are slutty bimbos?
     
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    No equivalent to stockings, suspenders, stilletoes and red lipstick! What about string vest, y fronts and Jesus sandals, with knee high socks! What sane woman could possibly resist a man thus dressed? Probably 100%! To be honest when I see myself in the mirror naked (except my cage), I wonder what Mrs Chaste sees in me! She does like me naked except for my floral apron! Apparently I still have a lovely ass! They say love is blind!!!! :)
     
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    I still love a man in a suit. I remember walking behind @lockit the first time we were out together dressed up, I loved the way he looked, that body was soooo delectable.
     
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    In my marriage I was a diaper wearing sissy way before my Queen decided to delve into a female led relationship. By that time it seemed only natural to both of us to keep me as a lil girl. In reality, my wife was mentally built to be married to an adult baby. She commits her life to her motherly instincts which has allowed her to be married to a baby girl in the bedroom. The way I have ALWAYS pleasured her the most sexually even before being a sissy was by suckling on her beautiful breasts. She did have other sexual needs which I simply could not fulfill that were taken care of by her cuckolding me. Once another man was intimate with her the dynamics in our relationship changed over night. I became so much lower than her and worshipped the ground she walked on I think largely because of being insecure of her leaving me for her lover. What she found during this time is that she loved the power and attention. Soon we were in an FLR which led to me being placed in chastity but I remained her lil girl. It helped maintain my lesser status and keep me in my place but still allowed for her desire to be motherly and nurse me.
     
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    Now, you see.........I just hadn't considered that. Makes me wonder why more women don't cross-dress. Maybe there's a women only cross dressing website where they discuss the virtues of secretly wearing Y-fronts without their partners knowing?
     
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    I was born with the orientation. You don't need a gay parent to have a gay child.
     
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    See what I mean. Blokes more often than not look better with their clothes on! When we go anywhere Mrs Chaste gets my clothes ready for me! If I choose she just shakes her head and says "you have no idea". And who am I to argue! Sorry I'm way off topic here it's "feminisation and respect" not "Chaste Js lack of style". Maybe I should put a post elsewhere on men's dress sense!
     
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    It is funny how as humans we always go to the far edge of something to define "everything".

    If one defines culture as the patriarchy and masculinity as "toxic" and yet never defines a feminine version of "toxic" and define how and why matriarchies had issues. We focus ourselves in a purely binary way, and the pure version of only having one or the other becomes really prevalent. For those that are transgendered this is their daily life, and yet we never reach out to those that deal with this daily for solution on how to survive and deal.

    If we presume just a binary and traditional view, there is good feminization and "bad" feminization. Dressing like bimbos and prostitutes and a variety of other things while acceptable in bedroom activities between consenting partners, is toxic in the real world.

    It is a male partners responsibility to raise up the inner masculine spirit and allow his partner to feel independent, strong, confident, and safe to do and live and be. It shouldn't take a male partner to do this, but our society is a not a building and safe relationship building environment.

    As for women to help men is to channel and bring out their inner feminine spirit. It is about nurturing, being patient, having control over one's emotions and building/nesting the relationship. As for the edgier side of things, women should enforce that men primp and shave and engage in a high level of grooming manners. That means getting a proper blade and shaving equipment and do what women do. Shave everything and do the landing strip and keep a high level of hygiene.

    As for those with interest in cross dressing (no judgements from me), I see this as something for some as a bonding experience. What person doesn't like to do things that their partner enjoy? If that means dress shopping and other clothes and doing the part why not? In the same vein maybe the woman should learn how to be and dress some "sometimes" like a guy. Channel some inner male points of view and switch it up.

    So the key thing about feminization is the intent and whether it helps "build" and "strengthen" the relationship. If a man with a strong set of shoulders and chest and slimmer waist with muscles is smooth, smells good and if the preference is to keep hair on the legs for the guy, what would be wrong with the wife saying hmmm maybe I would like to feel smooth legs but still have the option of hair and masculine oriented legs? So time for you to wear garters ... YMMV.

    In another way, as the importance when having real sex and love making with your partner is to be with the person between the ears and in the middle of the chest. So learning to appreciate what women do for men and having women relax and chill could be as similar as having the guy shave completely every day and primp and letting the woman let it all grow out and relax with comfortable clothes for a few months. IT doesn't have to be a lifestyle but one where partners swap rolls and keeps it fresh.

    People get so hardened to one view, when in reality switching it up keeps relationships fresh and new and exciting. YMMV and enjoy the journey.
     
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    Musters up some courage.....

    First, I totally agree that most of the forced-fem/sissy "information" is the result of submissive males without supervision running amok sexually. (Ironically, it is when there isn't a dominant woman in our lives that we probably need the most guidance.) Given all life demands and offers that is not even remotely related to LFA/FLR it does seem that being "completely," "fully," feminized would be an extreme path to follow

    And it does seem to be the silly masturbatory material that seems to be first in search while more thoughtful and true experiences are hidden in back.

    I was first introduced to feminization as a thirty-year-old submissive in a LTR with a dominant woman who began by having me wear panties instead of male briefs, and then expanded the items she wanted me to wear slightly over time. She included a "feminine" maid's outfit to wear when cleaning and eventually she also gave me a nightie for bedtime. I also had a few camisoles she preferred me wear when inside her home in addition to the panties I mentioned earlier.

    At no time did she ever portray her decision as being a way of degrading or make me less than because she had given me women's clothes to wear. The reason it continued was because she noticed a marked behavior change once panties were introduced and she said that I was more submissive, focused on her instructions, and generally malleable in the same way that locking me in a chastity device had produced similar behavior changes.

    At first I was embarrassed and humiliated and the fear that someone would "find out" or see me never really left my mind. However, she was very supportive and would say how happy it made her to see me in my panties or nightie or whatever. I felt the same way I always do when told I have been a "good boy" and sometimes even when she said I was a "good girl." The intimacy and connection I felt for her, however, grew dramatically because she was proactive in reinforcing obedient behaviors.

    I can't really do justice to the feelings it produced, all positively focused on her and continuing to follow the path she had chosen for us. It's like trying to explain why sometimes humiliation is exciting and yet scary at the same time.

    AND FYI: I thought you did well explaining yourself. I also agree wholeheartedly that one-liners like the one you included that are full of typos but do tend to hit the key words without fail.

    ALSO: I do not think any woman in a loving, female-led relationship has ever called her husband or boyfriend a worm and don't see it as flowing naturally from any woman I have ever met. This is, sadly, more submissive male porn and/or erotica that has too strong a hold on too many males.

    Thanks for posting this topic!
     
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    Laughing.... If "threw out all my old clothes" meant the suits too I would no longer have a positive net worth!
     
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    Dr MBogo You heard the lady! In you go.....

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    I have occasionally cross dressed at home, with just my beautiful wife/KH present, and at her request. Its just been panties, a (stuffed) bra, garter belt, stockings and heels. (we found some fun large size stripper heels online) Then she does my make up and hair. We go to bed and pretend I'm her lesbian lover. And then I take it all off the next morning. And its all in fun. We both get a sexual kick out of it. So, it's not really an issue of respect. Perhaps a bit of playful humiliation. I don't overthink it.
     
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    I dont even know, how to express myself... it was ... comment was SO BIMBO.
    Do lady think that she is male while wearing suit, jeans, or oh my goood, just imagine some women DRINKING BEER :eek:
    After all, yes yes and yes oh yes, if any male ever ever is having any, even smallest thoughts about trying anything what wearing womens.. well yep, no doubt it is only cause that damned male want to feel humiliation, and, hey what can be more humiliating, than look like women? Also they ALWAYS, doing it with very very ... very evil laugh. Well... when all mad things is being done, no need to say, HOW DEEP all womens in all corners of this planet being humiliated, after one of those evil males, has evil plan complete..
    Sitting in middle of nowhere.. WITH PANTIES:eek: WOMENS PANTIES.

    Oh, and yep, that's definitely like that, and only like that, when males go for the "bimbo" look, they, ALL, EACH ARE FOR SURE THINK - WOMEN ARE BIMBOS, starting from each of those males grandmothers, mothers....
    Yes, yes, yes.
     
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    Neither L-u-c-y nor Breathe wrote in absolutes. Let's look at what was actually written.
    L-u-c-y said "some males". Not all males.

    Hundreds. Overwhelming majority. Not all of them.

    Breathe was also talking about feminization (as in a man is forced to emulate a woman), not cross dressing. (a personal decision)
     
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    Good, good job. It was irony(you can do same good job looking for meaning of that word on web, you can).
    ... and blooody hell, you showed indeed how wrong I was...
    P.S.
    I did not had NOT A WORD against any thoughts written by Breathe.
     
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    You were using verbal irony (also known as sarcasm) in attempt to imply both L-u-c-y and Breathe were being absurd. I understood that. You're still wrong.

    You might not have quoted Breathe, but the bit about dressing up as a woman being humiliating was a shot at the entire point of the OP.
     
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    Assuming we put gender identity to one side for a moment (so those that are transitioning or gender neutral/gender fluid who will present as male or female depending on the day) a lot of the humiliation aspect I've comes from breaking down the cultural image of man and an alpha male in particular.

    It's something I've seen more in the older kink players than the younger (possibly because gender identity is more fluid in the younger UK society?) and probably comes from living through a period where men were seen as "better?" than women. If so then feminization/sissyfication of them would involve of negative stereotypes of women being used as you'd be reinforcing that persons beta position by making it clear that they no longer belong to the alpha sex. In my view it's probably the same basic reason why race play works (think about big, black cock: why does it have to be a black cock? isn't the size the important aspect?)

    Where it gets confusing is where you then involve people like myself who are gender neutral. I will go to work from time to time as Sarah, not as a humiliation or sexual reason but because that is who I am comfortable as presenting to the world as. The sissy identification I have is more a submissive/sexual role - there for the pleasure of others regardless of gender and any humiliation play would reinforce it. Being called slut/bimbo etc isn't having an effect based on gender but rather in the same way that I see my female submissive friends being abused in the same way at play events - you're tapping into a cultural view of how someone should behave.

    We do have a fairly toxic cultural view that men are not allowed to wear women's clothing and feminization/sissyfication does tap into this if we like it or not. Given time and where UK society seems to be moving this will probably change but not quickly or soon.

    Probably complete gibberish on my part but it is earlyish in the morning for me :)
     
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    Just realised I've been using gender fluid when I should have been talking about non binary in the first paragraph and should have used non binary rather than gender neutral in my third paragraph.

    It's what I get for writing before my second cup of tea of the day :D
     
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