Estimated Population in Chastity

As I noted up thread, a Chinese vendor on another forum estimated annual sales of 10,000 devices.

 

Ha! Ironic indeed!

 

I agree with that statement

 

They're in most online sex toy stores, though.

 

For the first time I searched to topic on YouTube. Many of the videos had at least 100k views. I would suggest that in the western world it would likely be less than half a percent of the male population.

Remember when using device purchase indications, many wearers own multiple cages. I agree with the idea that it would get a significant increase in usage once they appear routinely in sex shops.

I’ll try displaying mine at the sex club next time when we have dress up and see how many people ask or talk about their own.

 

My guess is that they aren't appearing in brickfront shops because with a typical online retail price of approx $150 US, most shops would need to charge closer to $200, which makes for an expensive item to stock - especially one that would have a limited market demographic. Dildoes/insertables are the biggest selling products (according to The Stockroom), so they can reasonably expect to sell a $100 Vixskin or Doc Johnson. How long would a CB6000 sit on the shelf?

That's actually not a bad idea. Obviously, you've got a skewed survey anyhow, being in a fetish club, but if most of the members already know what it is, then at least you know there's some market... penetration happening.

 

Even if it were possible to obtain the exact figures for how many men are wearing a cage and how many cages each man owns, you still would not know how much of the male population are in chastity. That's because you wouldn't have the figures for men in chastity who don't wear a cage

 

I suspect there is another reason we don't commonly see chastity devices at brick and mortar sex shops: One has to do some pretty careful shopping and research to get an appropriate sized/designed device. Look at our forum here: we men go NUTS trying to identify the "right" device. Such items almost by definition require careful shopping (as opposed to impulse shopping) on the internet. AND, since no store could let you 'try one on for size" for obvious hygienic reasons, the salability is almost nil.

Thus, I believe it isn't the cost, it's the specialization, that prevents mainstream adult stores from selling these devices.

Example, I saw one for sale at a local adult shop. I forget which model exactly. It was one almost NONE of us in the forum would buy. Expensive, yes. Salable? Nope. And I am sure the owner has little idea why.

Laslo

 

Ah, but we know about 20% of people do kink (here's yet another study), so we can plug the results into our own Drake Equation - the Giles Equation:



% of men in chastity = %Kinksters x %Kinkster Malesubs x % Chaste Kinkster Malesubs

%Kinksters = 20%

%Kinkster Malesubs = 50%


So % men in chastity = 10 x (whatever % @Sylophine discovers.

 

Giles, I suspect that you're joking, because there are a lot of problematic underlying assumptions in these numbers. For starters, the number of locked men going to a fetish club is a self-selected, not random sample. For another, the assumption that only male subs would wear devices. Et cetera.

But I guess it's as good a starting point as any in order to refine the numbers.

 

Exaggerating comically, a little, perhaps.

However, "how many active malesubs are there" is a good place to start, think.

 

Pssst! There's only 12 of us. I bought all the rest of the devices (They're in my garage). Cheers!

 

No worries. It's interesting.

 

So you are the ones looking at my junk when I am out in public. I don't need to worry any longer.

 

Whilst sales and availability in sex shops have clearly increased rapidly in recent years, I still get the feeling the main volume is in the cheaper product range - probably a lot of people trying it for fun or using it as part of play. It would be very interesting to see figures from the serious custom-device makers - I think it's more likely that a closer estimate of people actually locked would come from understanding these numbers. As @jim48 said, if he's spending $400 it's probably going to get worn (like it or not, in some cases!).
Maybe what I'm suggesting is a bit like saying only those with a Porsche or Aston Martin really drive cars! But I do feel as if seriousness can somehow be better judged by investment.
I've been disappointed walking into the more serious sex shops in the likes of London and Amsterdam and not found the high end of the market represented, even if it were a few models (eg. Steelworxx, Neosteel) with contact details of where customers can go to get a device/belt made. I wonder how many buyers of $20 devices would go up-market and more serious if they were more aware of the higher-quality options?
More musing here, but I do feel that understanding sales in the higher end of the market would give a more accurate estimate of truly locked volumes!

 

Yes and no.

People who buy low end devices need to be counted too. The thing is it’s a way to try chastity. It’s a way to experiment and learn. So at any given time someone may be locked in a low cost device as they lean and have fun. Those who want to learn more will learn about better and more expensive device. Those who find it cute or a fad wont care and make the effort. Adding to the complexity, some who learn about more expensive devices will try them and others won’t.

Those who buy more expensive devices are more likely to use them, and to use them for longer periods of time. But we have no why of knowing how long and how often. And some are like me who wear theirs sometimes then don’t for periods of time.

So any methodology to get a count is a guess. But over time we can get better at creating more accurate methods and the guesses get closer to reality.

In the mean time all we really know is a lot of devices are being made and lots of people are experimenting with chastity play.

 

These are all good thoughts! What counts as high end? Over $300?

 

This is all well and good, but some of the early posts in this thread seem to suggest that sales of chastity devices equate to a rise in female-dominant relationships and/or female-superior acknowledgement. I think that's a spurious claim. I seriously doubt an expansion of the chastity device market has anything to do with moving us towards a 'female supremacy' world. It's just wishful thinking fueled by fantasy.

 

Agreed. There's as many femsubs and malesubs, if not more. Femdom isn't going to expand beyond the 10% or so of men who crave it.

 

I'm inclined to agree with you; but then again you never know

 

Although there was a time when I never craved it: I was essentially introduced to it. There must others who are introduced to it. Imagine if knowledge of chastity and it's benefits start to spread more amongst women

 

Unlikely to happen until we have an escape-evident device!

 

Yes and no
The increase in sales even if a percentage are couples means more wo,en are exposed to it.
More women exposed and finding comfort and liking male chastity will result in some going to FLR. The percentage may be small but 20 years ago chaste was a quirky kink, now it’s pretty well known in the BDSM community. So in another 20 years that small growth each year can become quite significant and be similar to the growth of chastity.

That said yes you’re right we’re far from a female supremacy. But couple with more women in college then men, more women in business and in power positions women are learning to feel dominant and feminine and these are altering the male/female power dynamic and the roles in relationships.

 

I would say that more and more men have learned about devices, through porn, and even vague searches on the internet for other things(sexless marriage, female dominated, FLR, wife won’t let me fuck her etc).

The more it comes up in searches and porn, the more men to find it and become aroused. The more men into it, the more of them will eventually tell their spouse about it. The more of them that do find out, the more of them will actually do it.

I doubt the actual percentage of people wearing the cages are going up, it’s the number of people that are exposed to them.

I’m no expert in marketing but would assume amazon, eBay, and dh gate did their research on searches and porn topics. When they saw what men were looking for they provided the product.

So I would say yes there is a great deal more men locked up than ever before, but it just more of the same percent of the people who were into it. Female led and femdom is just exposed more than ever.

 

You might think so, but the #MeToo movement has shown how difficult it is to move even to a level playing field, never mind female superiority. The archetype of the female dominant, clad in leather has been around for decades, yet the idea of a female-led society is as much fantasy as ever. Nobody is suggesting that the sale of whips equates to a rise in femdom, so why should chastity devices? This could just be the result of bias towards whatever kink you're into. Maybe somewhere online, a site promoting beastiality is hoping that the rise in sales of doggy chew toys is the gateway to us becoming a canine-led society. I doubt it.