Did the Victorians have it right?

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    I was reading this article about Victorian attitudes to masturbation, maybe they were right after all, especially this part...

    “When once the vile habit has become confirmed, the young libertine runs the risk of finding himself, a few years later, but a debauched old man.”

    Sound familiar? ; )

    If the Victorians had access to cheap chastity devices just think of what other engineering wonders they might have achieved!

    If you have problems sleeping at night, follow this advice...

    “[If a] man is tormented by evil thoughts at night. Let him be directed to cross his arms upon his breast, and extend himself as if he were lying in his coffin. Let him endeavor to think of himself as he will be one day stretched in death. If such solemn thoughts do not drive away evil imaginations, let him rise from his bed and lie on the floor.”

    Here is the rest of the article....

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    During the Victorian era, masturbation—also known as self-pollution, self-abuse, or onanism—was believed to be both a moral and a physical evil. Medical manuals of the era address it in the most severe terms, blaming male masturbation, and the resulting depletion of the body’s vital humors, for every imaginable illness, from blindness, impotence, and epilepsy to chronic fatigue, mental derangement, and even premature death. Many of these beliefs can be traced back to two 18th century books, the most significant of which was Samuel Tissot’s famous 1760 medical treatise On Onania: or A Treatise upon the Disorders Produced by Masturbation, which asserts:

    “Frequent emissions of semen relax, weaken, dry, enervate the body, and produce numerous other evils, as apoplexies, lethargies, epilepsies, loss of sight, trembling, paralysis, and all kinds of painful affections.”

    By the 19th century, concerns about the evil effects of masturbation had risen to epic proportions. The solitary vice was being discussed in medical texts and religious treatises. And the Victorians—who ascribed moral value to self-discipline and restraint—were driven to devise various means of discouraging and controlling it.

    The Crime
    According to physicians R. and L. Perry in their 1847 book The Silent Friend: A Medical Work on the Disorders Produced by the Dangerous Effects of Onanism:

    “The practice of the solitary vice, onanism, manustupration or masturbation has been condemned by all writers, whether medical men, philosophers, or divines, from the earliest ages of mankind. One of its names, onanism, is derived from the saddening example of Onan the second son of Judah, who was struck dead by his Creator for the commission of this heinous sin.”

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    In his 1845 book, The Secret Companion: A Medical Work on Onanism or Self-Pollution, consulting surgeon R. J. Brodie calls masturbation a perverted inclination and a baneful habit which “destroys the germ of manhood.” While Dr. William Acton, in his 1894 book on The Functions and Disorders of the Reproductive Organs, refers to masturbation as a “melancholy and repulsive habit” that is “degrading and debilitating to the child” and injurious to the adult. Acton advises young men to give up the practice as early as possible, warning them that:

    “When once the vile habit has become confirmed, the young libertine runs the risk of finding himself, a few years later, but a debauched old man.”

    Brodie is equally severe. He blames self-abuse on “licentiousness and unrestrained indulgence of the passions,” writing:

    “Sages and moral writers of every age, have described in glowing terms the direful and awful result of Masturbation a passion that captivates the imagination of its victim imperceptibly, step by step, till every moral feeling is obliterated, and all the physical powers destroyed.”

    The Consequences
    According to many moral and medical texts of the Victorian era, not only did masturbation weaken the mind and body, it also weakened the soul. As Brodie explains (quoting M. Hoffman):

    “We can easily comprehend, how there is so close a connection between the brain and testicles; because these two organs secern from the blood the most subtle and exquisite lympha, which is destined to give strength and motion to the parts, and to assist even the functions of the soul. So it is probable, that too great a dissipation of these liquors may destroy the powers of the soul, and body.”

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    However, as much as masturbation was considered a moral evil and potential destroyer of one’s soul, the bulk of the consequences resulting from self-abuse were believed to accrue to the body. In an 1843 issue of the Edinburgh Medical and Surgical Journal, Dr. William Mackenzie, Surgeon-Oculist to Queen Victoria, writes:

    “…masturbation is often followed by loss of appetite, indigestion, headach[sic], vertigo, tinnitus aurium, rigors, flushings, constant clamminess of the hands, want of sleep, signs of congestion or chronic inflammation of the brain, apoplectic symptoms, palpitation of the heart, and emaciation, leading to a suspicion of phthisis. Palsy and insanity are not unfrequent consequences of masturbation.”

    In The Secret Companion, Brodie includes several case studies of individuals suffering terribly from the consequences of over-indulgence in the solitary vice. In most of the studies, the patient picked up the habit while still a boy in school. For example, Brodie describes one patient as:

    “R.I., aged twenty, of slender form, sunken eyes, pallid countenance, and considerable emaciation, stated that when placed at a public school, at the age of twelve, he had been induced by his school-fellows to indulge in the habit of self-pollution…” Sounds like many members of fetlife!

    While in another case, Brodie describes a gentleman of “profound learning” who declared “with the deepest anguish” that:

    “…the fruits of his academical labours would never compensate for the mischief incurred from a solitary vice taught him by a depraved companion, when he was about thirteen years of age.”

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    There were many similar cases wherein the patient had learned the particulars of self-abuse from his schoolfellows only to continue the practice as an adult—at which point, the patient’s health inevitably suffered. In one case, Brodie describes a man so affected by the consequences of self-pollution that he “less resembled a living creature than a corpse.” Confined to a straw mattress, where he languished in considerable pain, the patient could do nothing all day but reflect on the evils of masturbation. Brodie writes:

    “Thus overwhelmed in misery, he languished almost without any assistance for some months, and was the more to be pitied, for what memory he had remaining, and which he was at length entirely bereft of, only served him to take an incessant retrospect of the cause of his misfortunes, which were increased by the aggravating horrors of remorse.”

    The Cure
    According to Brodie, the patient who wished for relief from the consequences of masturbation must first:

    “…entirely discontinue this dreadful practice, however difficult to do so from the force of habit…”

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    This was often easier said than done, especially for those patients who reported engaging in the solitary vice multiple times each day. To aid the process, doctors frequently recommended changes in diet, an increase in physical activity, and prayer. Visualization exercises were also sometimes recommended. For instance, Acton quotes the advice of a clergyman on dealing with unhealthy impulses at night, writing:

    “[If a] man is tormented by evil thoughts at night. Let him be directed to cross his arms upon his breast, and extend himself as if he were lying in his coffin. Let him endeavor to think of himself as he will be one day stretched in death. If such solemn thoughts do not drive away evil imaginations, let him rise from his bed and lie on the floor.”

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    For desperate cases, doctors sometimes recommended desperate measures. There were cordials and various patent medicines (Brodie’s medical practice sold Cordial Balm of Zeylanica). There were also more invasive types of “cures” such as spiked rings or electric shock devices for the genitals. According to the book Sexualities in Victorian Britain, by the 1850s some doctors were even beginning to recommend circumcision as a treatment for masturbation.

    A Few Final Words…
    Opinions on the physical and moral dangers of the solitary vice did not change rapidly. Even today, there are some for whom the subject is still a controversial one. However, rather than address modern day arguments, I will close this article by taking you back to the 19th century. In his 1872 book on Male Continence, American preacher John Humphrey Noyes addresses masturbation in one particularly hilarious paragraph, writing:

    “…it is obvious that before marriage men have no lawful method of discharge but masturbation; and after marriage it is as foolish and cruel to expend one’s seed on a wife merely for the sake of getting rid of it, as it would be to fire a gun at one’s best friend merely for the sake of unloading it. If a blunderbuss must be emptied, and the charge cannot be drawn, it is better to fire into the air than to kill somebody with it.”
     
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    Dear mistress @L-u-c-y ,
    A very Nice and intriguing story.
    And I don’t want to be bold, cheecky or anything, but what about female masturbation in the same timeframe?
     
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    i was thinking the exact same thing.............
     
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    #4 Unlucky, Jan 13, 2019
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    God killed Onan for having sex with his dead brother's wife but finishing outside so as to not impregnate her with a child that would be his brother's heir, not his. That story should never have been read as a prohibition against masturbation or even for having sex for reasons other than procreation.
     
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    They were a funny lot! Mind you they certainly had healthy sexual appetites! My Grandfather was just about a Victorian (born 1899), and was one of 12! My Grandfather on the other side of the family was the 8th, hence his name Octavia! He though was an Edwardian! I suppose that if they had spent to much time masturbating instead of producing children there would have been less adult men to be used as cannon fodder in the Great War of 1914-18, and less women to become their Widows!
     
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    I'm pretty sure I can find as many if not more examples of bridezillas. Can I say that romance novels and romantic comedies have destroyed the brains of (all) women with unrealistic expectations of how a relationship should be?
     
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    The difference is bridezillas do not claim to serve men and then do the opposite.
     
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    No. They just take what is supposed to be a celebration of their love and make it all about them which is pretty much the opposite of it.
     
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    I swear that if the very first ejaculation a male has wasn't so profound, his masturbation career would have taken a very different path. Of course sooner or later, the little fella doesn't want to play anymore, irrespective of his brain still desperate to execute sex activities. Very frustrating to say the least. I do wonder if impotence is in fact a Female invention, used to create amusement of the poor frustrated manpest.
     
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    As much as I enjoy your writings and musings, I sincerely hope this is being said tongue-in-cheek. It's ludicrous to assume that even compulsive masturbation would preclude anyone from achieving anything less than they otherwise would.

    Not anyone with any semblance of legitimacy on the subject.
     
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    Why? If someone is masturbating 5 times a day and spending hours looking for porn they are not going to be at their most productive, are they.
     
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    Without doing a research on the time frame, women were often diagnosed with "female hysteria" a condition with symptoms "including anxiety, shortness of breath, fainting, nervousness, sexual desire, insomnia, fluid retention, heaviness in the abdomen, irritability, loss of appetite for food or sex, (paradoxically) sexually forward behaviour, and a "tendency to cause trouble for others." (from Wikipedia).

    The treatment for which was to go to the doctor and be manually stimulated to orgasm. Eventually, vibrators were developed to speed up the process, freeing up the doctor's time.
     
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    There are plenty of women that are just as twisted and use men to any means. Women are no better then men and may be worse in many instances.
     
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    If you believe that then you are a bit foolish to allow yourself to be locked by a woman : )
     
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    If you think a couple hours of leisure time gets in the way of productivity, I think you might just be a little crazy
     
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    It's not just the time, it's all the messages that are taken in from porn.
     
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    NO, Miss Lucy they will NOT BE! I speak from a very similar life (past life) as described. Multiple times a day and watching porn to fill my fantasy seeking mind!!
    I WAS a sad sad boy! WAS!
     
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    I am glad you have seen the light!
     
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    It’s amazing @L-u-c-y how you can put every man in the same category. Their are some strange men out their Yes but their are also some very strange women.

    Not every man in the world is in Chastity and serving a women just like not Everyman is addicted to porn. If you look at the amount of time you spend on things like fetlife and looking at texts that are sent to you. Some people would say your addicted to a form of porn also. Their are many many different kinds of people in this world we live in. The small amount of people on this sight are just that a very small amount of men in the world.

    No one has the right to Judge anyone else unless they also should be Judged.
     
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    I don't recall saying this applied to all men.
     
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    Methinks y’all sometimes take @L-u-c-y a bit too seriously. I sense she has a wry sense of humor and likes tweaking noses now and then.

    Of course, there are any number of posts here by men who have said, more or less, “thank goodness for chastity...too much prob and masturbation was lowering my quality of life”, and hardly anyone here who is serious about chastity hasn’t said something like “I’m my better self when I orgasm less often.”
     
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    I have! All THANKS TO A WONDERFUL LADY!! I believe I am a better male now, still chaste and have 6 weeks left on my recent sentence. I OWE HER AND ALL YOU LADY KH ‘s MAJOR THANKS!!
    Strong ladies such as you make it possible for males like me to improve!
     
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    Exactly, the victorians were prescribing a "four pointed urethral ring" 150 years ago. You would think their point of view would be popular on this site : )
     
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    I don’t live in absolutes, it’s a complete and utter fantasy to try.
     
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