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    #901 L-u-c-y, Nov 21, 2021
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    I follow these people, and they disagree with things like lockdowns, masks, vaccine mandates, and other government policies.

    You think you know better than them?

    John Ioannidis. From 1998 to 2010, Ioannidis was chairman of the Department of Hygiene and Epidemiology, University of Ioannina School of Medicine. In 2002, he became an adjunct professor at Tufts University School of Medicine.[11][9] He has also been president of the Society for Research Synthesis Methodology.[9] He is highly cited, having an h-index of 203 on Google Scholar in September 2020.[12]

    He is now Professor of Medicine, Health Research and Policy, and of Biomedical Data Science at Stanford University School of Medicine and a professor, by courtesy, of Statistics at Stanford University School of Humanities and Sciences.[13][14] He is director of the Stanford Prevention Research Center, and co-director, along with Steven N. Goodman, of the Meta-Research Innovation Center at Stanford (METRICS).[15][16]

    He was the editor-in-chief of the European Journal of Clinical Investigation from 2010 to 2019.[13]

    Martin Kulldorff, (born 1962, Lund in Sweden), is a professor of medicine at Harvard Medical School and a biostatistician at the Brigham and Women's Hospital.[2] He serves on scientific advisory committees to the Food and Drug Administration and the Centers for Disease Control.[1][3]

    Kulldorff developed a free SaTScan software program used for geographical and hospital disease surveillance as well as a TreeScan software program for data mining. He is the co-developer of the R-Sequential software program for exact sequential analysis.[5][non-primary source needed] However, his key scientific contribution is the development of the statistical and epidemiological methods that are used in the software.

    Jay Bhattacharya (born 1968) is a professor of medicine at Stanford University and a research associate at the National Bureau of Economic Research.
    Bhattacharya has four degrees from Stanford, including an MD from Stanford Medical School and a PhD in economics.[3][1]
    He researches the health and well-being of populations, with emphasis on the role of government programs, biomedical innovation, and economics.[2][3]

    Sunetra Gupta, (born 15 March 1965)[2] is an Indian-born British infectious disease epidemiologist and a professor of theoretical epidemiology at the Department of Zoology, University of Oxford. She has performed research on the transmission dynamics of various infectious diseases, including malaria, influenza and COVID-19, and has received the Scientific Medal of the Zoological Society of London and the Rosalind Franklin Award of the Royal Society.
    She trained in biology, and was awarded a bachelor's degree from Princeton University. In 1992 she obtained her PhD from Imperial College London for a thesis on the transmission dynamics of infectious diseases.[4]
     
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    I think that particular examples of the statements of individual specialists cannot in any way refute the generally accepted medical consensus.
     
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    There are hundreds of thousands more, but from the start they have been shut down and not allowed to go on TV.

    Governments decided to take a certain path and turned people like you against everyone who disagreed.

    History shows the consensus is often wrong.
     
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    [QUOTE = "Lucy, post: 493219, member: 40235"]LOL, no, there are not hundreds of thousands of them, but it doesn't matter since governments rely on the opinion of the health department, and fortunately, the health department consists of specialists who make decisions not on the basis of some analogue of democratic voting, but on the basis of scientific research and whole analyzes of scientific research, which in turn clearly show the need for mass vaccination and quarantine measures.
     
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    #905 L-u-c-y, Nov 22, 2021
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    Do you realise that even people in the health dept disagree?

    Recently the UK government vaccine committee disagreed on vaccinating children, and they fired those who disagreed until all the remaining members agreed. That's how you get your consensus.

    https://www.theguardian.com/society...ed-to-covid-vaccination-for-children-under-16

    JCVI ‘largely opposed’ to Covid vaccination for children under 16

    Members of the government’s expert committee on vaccination remain largely opposed to extending Covid jabs to younger teenagers, despite politicians having signalled they would like to see a shift in the guidance, the Guardian has been told.

    Several members of the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation (JCVI) said the mainstream sentiment on the body is still extremely cautious about expanding the programme to 12- to 15-year-olds.

    The JCVI has moved to “refresh” the membership of its Covid subcommittee in recent weeks, with one prominent critic of Covid jabs for children, Prof Robert Dingwall, leaving the body. (and 2 more since)

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    #906 L-u-c-y, Nov 22, 2021
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    Why do you think 120,000 health workers in the UK are refusing to be jabbed? Are they idiots? Are they conspiracy theorists? You were clapping for them until recently.

    You are a perfect example of why this image is correct:

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    Another example of how "consensus" is acheived.


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    SAD LITTLE MAN
    *** You Better Run Now While You Know You Can ***

     
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    Attorney Releases First Pages from Subpoenaed FDA Files – Shows Pfizer Documented 158,893 Adverse Events with 25,957 Nervous System Disorders in First Few Months of Distribution of “Vaccine”
    Attorney Aaron Siri, Managing Partner of Siri & Glimstad, published his first report on the information he subpoenaed from the FDA.

    Siri has extensive complex civil litigation experience, including civil rights involving mandated medicine and representing people for vaccination injuries.

    He recently released the first batch of subpoenaed documents from the FDA on Pfizer’s Chinese Coronavirus “vaccine”. The documents reveal that in the first few months of this year there were already 158,893 Adverse Events recorded, including 25,957 nervous system disorders.

    Siri goes on to state:

    “Two months and one day after it was sued, and close to 3 months since it licensed Pfizer’s Covid-19 vaccine, the FDA released the first round of documents it reviewed before licensing this product. The production consisted of 91 pdf pages, one xpt file, and one txt file. ...

    While it is for the scientists to properly analyze, let me share one observation. One of the documents produced is a Cumulative Analysis of Post-Authorization Adverse Event Reports of [the Vaccine] Received Through 28-Feb-2021, which is a mere 2 ½ months after the vaccine received emergency use authorization (EUA). This document reflects adverse events following vaccination that have completed Pfizer’s “workflow cycle,” both in and outside the U.S., up to February 28, 2021.

    Pfizer explains, on page 6, that “Due to the large numbers of spontaneous adverse event reports received for the product, [Pfizer] has prioritised the processing of serious cases…” and that Pfizer “has also taken a [sic] multiple actions to help alleviate the large increase of adverse event reports” including “increasing the number of data entry and case processing colleagues” and “has onboarded approximately [REDACTED] additional fulltime employees (FTEs).” Query why it is proprietary to share how many people Pfizer had to hire to track all of the adverse events being reported shortly after launching its product.

    As for the volume of reports, in the 2 ½ months following EUA, Pfizer received a total of 42,086 reports containing 158,893 “events.” Most of these reports were from the U.S. and disproportionately involved women (29,914 vs. 9,182 provided by men) and those between 31 and 50 years old (13,886 vs 21,325 for all other age groups combined, with another 6,876 whose ages were unknown). Also, 25,957 of the events were classified as “Nervous system disorders”


    See:
    https://aaronsiri.substack.com/p/fda-produces-the-first-91-pages-of

    https://phmpt.org/pfizers-documents/
     
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    #910 Fit To Be Tied, Nov 22, 2021
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    *** REQUIRED READING ***
    “VACCINE ESSENTIALS”
    By
    Steve Kirsch

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    Kirsch is a highly successful retired high-tech serial entrepreneur. He Started CETF which funded fluvoxamine, HCQ, camostat ...studies. He’s been featured on 60 Minutes. He was doubly vaxxed before learning his friends were dead/disabled after vaccination. Driven by data, and not “popular opinion,” he quit his company to focus 100% on saving lives. Since he’s not a doctor, (and has plenty of money) he’s not subject to intimidation tactics. Not being a pawn of BIG PHARMA, he has no conflicts of interest and no history of misinformation or spreading so called “conspiracy theories.”

    So, what has he done?


    First, he has published a 125 page web site entitled, “Vaccine Essentials,” where he provides facts and data relating to the “vaccine” and the plandemic broken down into the following topics:
    - Safety
    - Efficacy
    - Masks
    - Mandates
    - Recovered immunity
    - Early treatments
    - Rule breakers
    - Corruption of science and medicine censorship


    His exhaustive and well-researched treatment of the above topics are well-beyond the scope of this meager post. IF YOU HAVE ANY INTEREST IN THE TRUTH ... I RECOMMEND YOU TAKE A SERIOUS LOOK!

    Secondly, he has put his money where his mouth is. He has assembled a team of medical and scientific experts with unimpeachable credentials. He has made the following offer ... BACKED UP BY $1 MILLION DOLLARS:


    We will debate any qualified experts with comparable credentials in an open public fair debate to defend any of our viewpoints on vaccine safety, whether vaccines are a good idea, the efficacy of early treatments, whether ivermectin really works, why fluvoxamine should be used, whether masks work, etc.” Here is his offer -
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    The only problem is that NOBODY will debate his experts. They will claim privately that everything we say is false, yet they REFUSE to debate him in an open public debate.

    He’s asked the CDC, FDA, NIH, mainstream media talking heads, members of Congress, members of the medical community, etc.

    No takers.

    See:

    https://www.skirsch.com/covid/VaccineEssentials.pdf

    https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/my-team-of-vaccine-safety-experts
     
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    They changed the definition of case. They changed the definition of infection. They changed the definition of herd immunity. They changed the definition of vaccine. They changed the definition of unvaccinated.

    What does this tell you?
     
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    obscurantism
    ŏb-skyoo͝r′ən-tĭz″əm, əb-, ŏb″skyoo͝-răn′-
    noun
    1. The principles or practice of obscurants.
    2. A policy of withholding information from the public.
    3. A style in art and literature characterized by deliberate vagueness or obliqueness.
    You impress me with big words I have not seen before but I fail to see how comments can be construed as withholding info, comments are meant to stimulate thought not stifle it,
    Perhaps you mean what we are getting from the MSM and some bureaucrats?
     
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    *** IT BEGINS ***
    Australian Army Begins Transferring COVID-Positive Cases, Contacts To Quarantine (Concentration) Camps

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    (Howard Springs Quarantine Facility has capacity for 2,000 overseas arrivals and about 1,000 domestic travellers. (AAP: Glenn Campbell)

    The Australian army has begun forcibly removing residents in the Northern Territories to the Howard Springs quarantine (Concentration) camp located in Darwin, after nine new Covid-19 cases were identified in the community of Binjari. The move comes after hard lockdowns were instituted in the communities of both Binjari and nearby Rockhole on Saturday night.

    Residents of Binjari and Rockhole no longer have the five reasons to leave their homes," said Northern Territory chief minister, Michael Gunner, referring to the country's five allowable reasons to avoid lockdown (buying food and supplies, exercising for up to two hours, care or caregiving, work or education if it can't be done from home, and to get vaccinated at the nearest possible location).

    "They can only leave for medical treatment, in an emergency, or as required by law."


    Of the nine new cases in Binjari, four are women and five are men, including a 78-year-old woman who has been transported to Darwin Hospital.

    There were zero new COVID-19 cases reported on Sunday, however Minister Gunner said he was worried about 'mingling between households' in Binjari and Rockhole, whose populations are around 220 and 130 respectively.

    On Sunday, Gunner said: "Yes, these are strong measures, but the threat to lives is extreme."

    WELL ... there’s another “conspiracy theory” that has been proven to be true!

    SIEG HEIL *** SIEG HEIL!!
    See:
    https://m.facebook.com/TerritoryChief/posts/435285761296933

    https://mobile.twitter.com/BernieSpofforth/status/1462740215571918849
     
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    The statistics are from England. Not whole U.K. Where are the figures of the mortality before covid?
     
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    Thank you for the edification. Yes, if you are talking about those less than 60 years old......this chart really is telling us some very horrible news.
     
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    Not sure precisely who you are calling disgusting. But it's interesting that you base your personal reaction on your chosen set of "experts" to listen to. Do you ever wonder why "your" experts are correct, and other people's experts are wrong?

    Do you not think that the very INVENTOR of the mRNA technique is an expert? He says don't take the shots. He invented them!

    If you truly believe that 100% of legitimate experts feel that 100% of the people should take the bio-weapon, then I would ask you to reconcile why you feel that way.

    Only a fool cannot see that experts exist on both sides of the debate. The intellectually honest question is, which ones do you choose to believe, and why do you believe that set?
     
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    The old "The science is settled so don't argue with me" argument. Nice of you to dust off the tired bromide of the global warming crowd.

    You are starting to sound like Al Gore! (aka, ManBearPig) And he is super serial.
     
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    Science? The world's BEST filter made is capable of stopping a 20 micron particle. And that's IF the seal around it is perfect. The imagined (because it to date has not been isolated in a lab) virus is 5 microns in size. Science? What about basic arithmetic? A 20 micron filter cannot stop a 5 micron particle.

    In other words, the "science" tells anyone smarter than a monkey that the wearing of a mask is a waste of time.
     
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    More breathtaking news. Good catch. And it really serves to amplify Lucy's point that a "consensus" gained by purging your enemies isn't a consensus at all. It's tyranny.

    The folks in North Korea really, really love Kim Jong Un. Look at his voting record! He's way more popular than Joe Biden! We should all move to North Korea! They have Covid under total control. I am sure it's because they follow the science.
     
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    I downloaded and saved the pdf file. I began reading it. Whew! useful information here.

    Again, I thank you (and Lucy) for making such excellent useful citations.
     
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    The French government released a report about hospitalisations. Covid patients were 2% of hospitalisations in 2020.

    So much for overwhelming the health system.
     
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    Zut Alors!!!
     
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    And the covid patients from Alsace which were treated in Germany were tourists?
     
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