Covid-19 and Life

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    I’ve spent the last year working in the COVID frontline in a cross government team at the sharp end. Lots of stuff has happened behind the scenes that folk simply don’t understand or have no idea about.

    what we have seen is that some folk have made thier minds up one way or another and then use random and irrelevant to support what ever argument they want. They all think they are well read a researched in matters but I can prove they are not.

    in terms of medicines and risk I’ve worked closely with the scientists making the regulatory decision on the vaccines. I can assure you that no stone has been left unturned. Yes there is alaway a risk involved in taking a medication. The risk of side effects with vaccines is much much lower than parcetamol.

    then we have the issue of blood clots. This has been hyped up by the media. The real world risk of blood clots is lower in a vaccinated group than in a non vaccinated group. This shows that having the jab lowers the risk of getting a clot.

    this whole argument is never going to go away as folk have an opinion then find the back storey that meets thier agenda. All of a sudden everyone becomes an expert

    I see this through a different prism supported by facts

    the highest risk group is youngsters, this group will be last to get vaccinated, also it’s the same group that will be going to pubs clubs and such like where spread events will occur, the newer variants seem to affect this not vaccinated group that will cause further spread.

    almost certainly we are likely to have a late summer spike, how big this will be we don’t know

    Ive had both jabs and I will strongly suggest that others do to. I also suggest wearing a face covering too
     
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    It affects everybody in this way because humans are not designed to live like this. It is interesting to see all of the hypocrisy though. We all have to follow these soul crushing protocols but there are acceptable loopholes like protesting and political gathering which have been completely acceptable for some reason during this time. People have adjusted to this new reality way to well and will even flinch or have a panic attack if another person gets in their 6 foot bubble. Just try to live by the old adage, "Ships in harbor are safe, but that is not what ships are built for."
     
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    Its kind of strange that the Mcdonalds down the street from me gets a better internet connection than your wife can for her job. We clearly have our priorities in order as a country.
     
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    If the highest risk group is youngsters, why have almost none died?

    This is a screenshot of Chris Whitty's own graph he uses at the press briefings showing all the deaths since this thing began. You don't seem to know what you are talking about. If you are an example of people who are running this I am not surprised we are in such a mess.

    Most people are over 90 who SADLY would have died anyway. The 2nd highest group is over 85, which is over the average age of death in the UK.

    There will be a autumn/winter spike, because there always is every year.

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    You need to understand the mechanism. Young folk catch the disease but are strong enough to cope. They then spread it to old vulnerable folk that die.

    care homes, it wasn’t the residents that were out on the lash. It was the folk that came in from outside that were spreaders.

    you are the classic example of the idiocy that going on.

    you might me sharp enough to find statistics but it takes more brain power to understand them
     
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    You know all the answers. Your now in charge of 67 million folk in the U.K.

    what would you do ?
     
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    The vulnerable have been vaccinated. The vaccine protects them from getting the virus badly and death.

    Don't you trust the vaccines? Are you an anti vaxxer?

    Do you remember Chris Whitty's words at the beginning of this? "At an individual level the chance of dying of coronavirus are low. Over the whole epidemic, even if there is NO VACCINE, a high proportion will not get it".

    I trust Whitty more than I trust you.

    And since then nearly 38 million people in the UK have had their first shot. Plus the millions of people who caught the virus and have natural immunity.

    So the chances of dying were low at the start, and now infinitesimal, and bed wetters like you still want to ruin peoples lives and businesses, and put them in poverty, and ruin the education of their children, and put a massive financial burden on our children and grandchildren for decades.

    Enough is enough.

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    The problem is you think have to DO something. You are panicked into knee jerk reactions which actually make things much much worse.
     
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    He also said at the very begining we will be good if only 20,000 folk die

    how many have died now 127,000

    like I said some folk only find the information that meets thier agenda
     
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    India and Brazil
     
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    127,000 haven't died OF covid, a high proportion just happened to die with it. Whitty and valance used to be at pains to point this out.

    It's just plain disingenuous to repeat that figure.

    In 2019 if you did a million flu tests a day in the UK, and then counted everyone who died within 28 days of a positive test you'd probably have the same numbers we have now.

    And most of those tests are false positives, from testing in hurriedly set up shoddy labs with untrained staff. Did you see the Panaroma and Ch4 news undercover reports on the labs? They were disgraceful.

    But mass testing for other viruses and diseases has never been done before.

    The UK has had 1873 covid deaths per million of population. (supposedly)
    India has had 216
    Brazil has had 445

    All hyped up by a hysterical social media and rolling news.

    https://twitter.com/vickyintheuk/status/1395343594920230921
     
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    you have made your mind up with your version of what ever you want to believe

    utter crap

    and I’m in the scientific team that provides the data that Whitby et al quote. This data informs policy decisions, that the government make

    And you have fallen in the India trap set. You need to balance those figures with the amount of testing carried out.

    figures and statistics are good but you need to u derstand what’s behind them

    the John’s Hopkins site will show you some good info about death esteem, testing etc etc. But I guess you know that

    you are entitled to have your opinion and I’m entitled not to agree with

    I have better things to do on a Sunday afternoon than have a stupid discussion on the internet

    I won’t respond anymore and you can have the last say as I know you will want that

    bye bye
     
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    I tip my hat to you, Ma'am. And not to a dominatrix, but to a rational human being, which is extremely rare these days.
    Not succumbing to mass hysteria is a heroic feat in the age of fake news.
     
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    L-u-c-y,

    You are spot in with your analysis and comments. I really enjoy reading your posts. Well written, detailed and right to the point.

    Thank you for being another "voice of reason" amidst the "panic porn" that's been foistered upon us the last 16+ months or so.

    You are a remarkable woman in so many way! :)

    ~subrick
     
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    If that is true you should be thoroughly ashamed of yourself.

    A day of reckoning is coming, and people like you will pay for what you have done to the world, and for the deaths, misery and poverty you have caused.
     
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    There are lies, big lies and then there are statistics (Joseph Stalin).
     
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    If that is true, then you are extremely poor at explaining your position.

    This is a genuine problem for Whitty et al.
    The public as a group, is in general, a herd of idiots, led by a bunch of buffoons called politicians.


    One would have hoped for a more reasoned response from a 'worker in the COVID frontline in a cross government team at the sharp end' advising on policy than throwing a hissy fit and throwing your toys out the pram at the first sign of your views being questioned.
     
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    There is an English doctor who is quite expert on the topic. He humorously refers to himself as "An old man in a chair" where he delivers his fantastic videos. Banned on YouTube because he's not brainwashed.

    If you want to know what the real history says and what a non-bought-off old country doctor who has written many books on the subject, please see

    Dr. Vernon Coleman. https://www.vernoncoleman.com/

    You can find his videos there. But also on Bitchute.com, Rumble.com, BrandNewTube.com


    What is annoying to me about the face-diapered class is that they don't seem to recognize that the rest of us are betting our own lives on being correct. Do you think we are not being careful? I'd argue that we are far MORE informed than the jab-ees.

    You may disagree with us. But do NOT fool yourselves into thinking that those who disagree with you are not careful intelligent people.
     
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    THANK YOU for taking the time to find this and show the historic context. They literally changed the definition to be able to call a NON vaccine, a vaccine.
     
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    Ok, I'll bite. Be warned, I'm not a fool and I'm not 'someone who's made up their mind'.

    First up, let me say clearly and on the record that every single person involved in the shameless manipulation of the UK public using a well orchestrated, scientifically created campaign of fear should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves. If you are what you say you are then your are very well aware of what I'm referring to - ask your mates in SPI-B, if they'll talk to you.

    As for your assertion that 'lots of stuff has happened that folk don't understand or know about' I ask you why. You and your teams have been responsible for leading this country into the most restrictive legislative environment ever. You have done this on the basis of information that has never been published, hidinh behind a cloak of secrecy and by weaponisng fear itself in a near dystopian way. Your advice has left people afraid to leave their houses, scared to help their families and sufferimg mental distress that may take years to heal if it ever does.

    The very least we are entitled to is all information. Providing it is up to you, understanding it is up to us.

    Ok, I'm calling your bluff. Prove that one single thing I posted is inaccurate and I'll shut up.

    Evidence? Facts? Sources?
    Feel free to get as technical as you like, I'm more than able for it.

    I'm also not just going to take you at your word (even though I actually agree & have myself been fully vaccinated). Things are not true just because you say they are.

    Of course the young are now at risk, the older cohorts have largely been vaccinated. If you have evidence showing increased morbidity from variants in the young, publish it.

    Evidence suggests vacciens are effective against all variants seen so far (yes, you need both doses, not just one). Likewise the current IFR for covid is unchanged with the young still highly unlikely to suffer serious illness or death from covid. Infection rate is becoming less and less of a valid measure in the UK as fewer and fewer cases proceed to serious disease.

    Of course, being what you say you are, you know that already.

    And please, explain to me what benefit there is (with supporting evidence) in the wearing of a simple 'face covering' when dealing with an airbourn transmission vector. I'll wait.

    The spell of fear is broken. People are seeing through the manipulation now. Expect harder questions soon.

    True science lives on challenge, not in darkness & secrecy.[/QUOTE][/QUOTE][/QUOTE]
     
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    #71 L-u-c-y, May 23, 2021
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    I think everyone is susceptible to mass hysteria, including doctors and scientists.

    The true virus is mass hysteria and panic stoked by social media and rolling news. Hysterical mob rule which silences anyone who dares to disagree with them. But the ones who disagreed were right all along.

    A dumbing down of "the science" so the dumbest can understand, how condescending is that.

    Lies have been told supposedly to protect people, but that has backfired and now the scientists cannot be trusted.

    As Bill Maher said, "Give it to me straight doc!"

    If trump had said he loved masks, the other side would have been against them.

    Totally political. You should be ashamed of yourselves, you're all complicit in the deaths of thousands from the effects of lockdowns, now and in the coming decades.

     
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    Missed cancers due to lockdowns will be the biggest tragedy of this so called pandemic, much more than the virus. But most people are too hysterical and short sighted to think that far.
     
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    Let me be clear - there’s little I detest more than wearing a face mask but my comment was that perhaps those who contract easily spread ailments may in future be more considerate of the community by voluntarily using face masks or keeping away from others whilst infectious.

    Let’s also be clear, the whole lockdown scenario and masks is not because Covid is akin to the Black Death. It’s always been a means of slowing the spread of a virulent infection to try and help the intensive care services cope with the influx of seriously ill patients needing ventilation etc.

    Remember the calls to Save the NHS? And the desire to flatten the curve?

    They just wanted to avoid people being declined care and dying on the hospital steps. Imagine the outcry there would have been from the press and career naysayers about that!
     
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    I’ve moved this to the Off Topic Discussions.
     
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    I started this thread back in January as a way to vent my frustrations and I got a lot of support that helped me cope. I thanked the members and the thread kind of ended in the beginning of February. Someone was nice enough to have seen it and asked me how I was doing now and I said better because we were both getting our second shot. BOOM BANG FIREWORKS. It somehow created a monster. We personally think the vaccine is our best option. Everyone has to weigh the risks of the vaccine verses the disease for themselves and make their own choice. The disease may not be polio or Scarlet fever but many people who get it and recover are finding they have permanent damage to their lungs and/or heart. It is not a disease to be taken lightly. I agree that the restrictions used were more about panic in some cases and in some respects caused more harm to the economy than good in preventing spread. Other parts of the restrictions were good common sense and probably saved our hospital system. I am not an expert in this field so who am I to say? Just my thoughts.
     
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