Covid-19 and Life

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    They'll happily MANUFACTURE a gift horse, though... May have done so several times already.
     
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    Plus isolation rules meant understaffing in hospitals and care homes, which caused more deaths not from covid.
     
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    And don’t forget .... Remdesivir +Ventilators = Death.
     
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    My Initial Comments:

    Based on the Combined data, 10 percent of the medical personnel contracted COVID 19 while treating people known to have Covid 19.

    90% of the medical personnel DID NOT contract Covid 19.

    A more accurate conclusion is that N95 masks do not appear to work better than surgical masks.

    But based on the individual medical facilities/countries, up to 35% of personnel contracted Covid 19. Why the significant variance?


    Article: Not Even N95 Masks Work To Stop Covid


    From the original medical article, with some of the statistical information removed:

    Results:
    In the intention-to-treat analysis, confirmed COVID-19 occurred in 52 of 497 (10.46%) participants in the medical mask group versus 47 of 507 (9.27%) in the N95 respirator group.

    An unplanned subgroup analysis by country found that in the medical mask group versus the N95 respirator group confirmed COVID-19 occurred in

    8 of 131 (6.11%) versus 3 of 135 (2.22%) in Canada
    6 of 17 (35.29%) versus 4 of 17 (23.53%) in Israel
    3 of 92 (3.26%) versus 2 of 94 (2.13%) in Pakistan
    35 of 257 (13.62%) versus 38 of 261 (14.56%) in Egypt

    There were 47 (10.8%) adverse events related to the intervention reported in the medical mask group and 59 (13.6%) in the N95 respirator group.


    Conclusion:
    Among health care workers who provided routine care to patients with COVID-19, the overall estimates rule out a doubling in hazard of confirmed COVID-19 for medical masks when compared with [Hazard Ratio] of confirmed COVID-19 for N95 respirators. The subgroup results varied by country, and the overall estimates may not be applicable to individual countries because of treatment effect heterogeneity.

    [In other words, The risk of contracting Covid-19 while wearing a surgical mask is not significantly greater than when wearing a N95 respirator.]​


    More comment:

    In the past and in this case I have had a problem when researchers have conducted multiple studies and then combined their data and presented is as one study. There is a HUGE variance in the individual studies that is concealed by the combined data. The headline numbers don't accurately represent all the data.

    Medical personnel and researches may evaluate the information differently than the laymen, especially the news media looking for catchy headlines.


    Very interesting graphs from the article. They suggest, and we don't know all the reasons why, but mask mandates and vaccination don't appear to be effective over the long term with rapidly mutating respiratory viruses. I believe "science" knew this prior to Covid 19.

    south korea new cases masks.jpg

    germany new cases masks.jpg


    (I was an early adapter of wearing a face covering when grocery shopping, way back when we didn't know, publicly, whether Covid 19 was spread by droplets or aerosol spray. If the grocery store staff had decided not to show up for work we would all have been up a creek without a paddle or a boat. I didn't walk around outside with one on.)
     
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    WHAT NEXT?
    Health Experts Warn Broccoli, Raspberries, Cheese and Ham Could Give You Chinese Coronavirus
    British health experts have issued a warning that consuming fresh produce, baked goods, and certain ready-to-eat foods could put you at risk of contracting the Chinese Coronavirus virus.

    Scientists intentionally spread the virus on packaging and food products like fruit, pastries, and bottled drinks as part of research conducted by the University of Southampton, and commissioned by the U.K. FSA (Food Standards Agency).


    The researchers purposefully contaminated the surfaces of foods and food packaging with infectious SARS-CoV-2, measuring the decline in the presence of infectious virus on the surfaces over time, at a range of temperatures and relative humidity levels to reflect typical storage conditions, FSA said in a statement.

    “The study’s results shows that the survival of the Covid-19 virus varied depending on the contaminated foods and food packaging. On some foods, such as cheese and ham, the virus survived for several days. On others, such as apples and olives, virus levels dropped quickly. For most food products tested there was a ‘significant drop’ in the levels of virus contamination over the first 24 hours.”

    Tested foods included broccoli, peppers, apple, raspberry, cheddar cheese, sliced ham, olives, olive brine, white and brown bread crusts, croissants, and pain au chocolat.

    See:
    https://www.food-safety.com/article...urvive-days-on-some-foods-risk-still-very-low


    https://www.food.gov.uk/research/survival-of-sars-cov-2-on-food-surfaces-abbreviations-and-codes

     
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    Have I walked into an April Fools joke? People INTENTIONALLY contaminated food to see how long it lasted?

    I no longer know what to say
     
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    Very reasonable suggestion....
     
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    I do, but I'd be banned...
     
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    Interesting and concerning article.

    "Many other pathogens, including the viruses that cause flu, Ebola, and hepatitis C, take aim at the interferon response. But SARS-CoV-2 stands out, Forero says. “What’s unusual is how comprehensive the virus is.” Its various proteins disrupt multiple steps, including a cell’s detection of viral RNA, transmission of the alert signal to the nucleus, synthesis of interferons, and activation of interferon-stimulated genes. Moreover, multiple coronavirus proteins can block the same step."​
     
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    Wow, you believe a person that has been kicked out of his position, and has been widely disputed by environmental scientists and the medical profession as being wrong. And why should he know anything about medicine or environmental science as his degree is mechanical engineering.
     
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    #4314 L-u-c-y, Dec 5, 2022
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    How many times have "the experts" been wrong in your lifetime?

    Do you no longer have any opinions of your own?

    Do all your views concur with what "the experts" say, on everything?

    Is there any room left in life for disagreement, or do we all have to agree with the majority opinion now, or be cast aside as some kind of deplorables for daring to have another view?

    If 51% of experts have one view and 49% of experts have another view, do you always go with the 51%?

    You would have agreed with the experts who said Thalidomide was safe. You would have fought anyone who said it wasn't and called them a tinpot conspiracy theorist.
     
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    1 December 2022

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...-period-excess-deaths-following-pandemic-say/

    Britain will face a “prolonged period” of excess deaths after operations were cancelled and people avoided the NHS during the pandemic, Sir Chris Whitty and Sir Patrick Vallance have said.

    The Chief Medical Officer (CMO) for England and Chief Scientific Adviser made the comments in a co-authored technical report on the Covid-19 pandemic in the UK.

    Delays in patients coming forward for help, a reduction in preventative medication - such as statins - and the cancellation of surgeries and screenings “will have led to later and more severe” non-Covid illness, the authors conclude.

    “The combined effect of this will likely lead to a prolonged period of non-COVID excess mortality and morbidity after the worst period of the pandemic is over,” it said.

    Almost 900 more cancer deaths than expected since September
    Recent data from the Office for Health Improvement and Disparities (OHID) show since the beginning of September there have been nearly 900 more cancer deaths than would be expected at this time of year.
     
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    I have heard it said you can prove or disprove anything with a single block of data.

    I heard a medical doctor say that when he took the results of his college research project to the computer lab, the statistician or whatever asked him what it was he wanted to prove of disprove. It wasn't like you simply crunch the numbers and the truth would be revealed. At least that is my interpretation of the conversion. You can manipulate data to prove or disprove anything, is my believe.

    They use public opinion polls today more to control public opinion that to measure it, because they know people will believe whatever their demographic is "suppose" to believe. The old herd mentality thing. Today we hear mention of "echo chambers" and "silos."

    Book: "How to Lie with Statistics"

    ""There is terror in numbers," writes Darrell Huff in How to Lie with Statistics. And nowhere does this terror translate to blind acceptance of authority more than in the slippery world of averages, correlations, graphs, and trends. Huff sought to break through "the daze that follows the collision of statistics with the human mind" with this slim volume, first published in 1954. The book remains relevant as a wake-up call for people unaccustomed to examining the endless flow of numbers pouring from Wall Street, Madison Avenue, and everywhere else someone has an axe to grind, a point to prove, or a product to sell. "The secret language of statistics, so appealing in a fact-minded culture, is employed to sensationalize, inflate, confuse, and oversimplify," warns Huff.

    What is coincidence and what is cause and affect? I suspect there is a lot of coincidence, not cause and affect in Rancourt's interpretations.

    The fact that he says you can/should ignore cause of death because it is open to interpretation doesn't seem appropriate.

    Yes, there is a strong correlation with poverty and obesity, with just about everything of an adverse nature.

    I admit I have my concerns, with accuracy of Covid-19 test, the nature of PCR testing, for example, but we can't simply ignore this data. If you ignore medical tests, you can claim anything and everything killed someone. It was a bacteria that killed them, not a virus! Really, how can you claim that without looking at cause of death? Is every doctor and medical lab in the world dishonest?

    I haven't looked at Rancourt's website.
     
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    They don't have to be dishonest, they just have to err on the side of caution a billion times. Which is what they were told to do.

    Either that or get fired.
     
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    WANT PURE BLOOD FOR YOUR BABY’S HEART SURGERY IN NEW ZEALAND - WELL GUESS AGAIN
    as

    The Luciferian New Zealand Government Seeks Guardianship of a Baby After Parents Refuse to Use Vaccinated Blood for Their Son’s Surgery
    The New Zealand healthy service has requested the court to take guardianship of a 4-month-old infant from his parents after they insisted on using only “unvaccinated blood” for his heart surgery.

    The infant has severe pulmonary valve stenosis and requires surgery “very immediately,” but his parents are “particularly concerned with the blood the doctors are going to use.

    We don’t want blood that is tainted by vaccination,” the father said. “That’s the end of the deal – we are fine with anything else these doctors want to do.”


    According to the New Zealand Herald, there were reportedly 20 potential unvaccinated blood donors who were willing to donate but the New Zealand authorities did not approve this.

    Picking up the story, Fox News is reporting:


    The parents maintained that more than 20 unvaccinated people were willing to donate the blood for their son’s operation, but that had not been approved by the government’s New Zealand Blood Service (NZBS), according to the New Zealand Herald.

    Since they are trying to obtain medical care they believe is better than what the state is offering, attorney for the parents, Sue Grey, argued Wednesday in court that their case is unlike most guardianship cases in which parents refuse necessary medical care ...

    “Because they label my clients as conspiracy theorists, [their position] is that anything my clients say can be ignored,” Grey said.


    Paul White, a lawyer for Te Whatu Ora, [Health New Zealand], told the court that medical professionals have said that a child with such a serious heart condition would normally have been treated several weeks ago.

    Dr. Mike Shepherd, who serves as interim director at Te Whatu Ora in Auckland, said in a statement that he understands how worrying it can be for parents who are dealing with a very sick child, according to the New Zealand Herald.


    “The decision to make an application to the court is always made with the best interests of the child in mind and following extensive conversations with whānau,” Shepherd said, using a Māori word that means “extended family.

    “As this matter is before the courts, we will not be commenting further,” he added.”

    No one should have to use tainted "Clot Shot" blood. Pure Bloods should have the right to stay that way.

    This issue is going become a big deal. And it should. Many nations are beginning to organize to develop a system to create and distribute pure blood. --- In a related topic:: Many know that there has been a huge uptick in fetal deaths where the mother was vaccinated during pregnancy. They are now finding spike protein in the placentas. Anybody shocked?


    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/polit...bys-heart-surgery/U2PRAPN7RVECRPWF3EXDDNEXSM/

    https://www.foxnews.com/world/new-z...aby-parents-demand-unvaccinated-blood-surgery

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/nov/30/new-zealand-parents-refuse-use-of-vaccinated-blood-in-life-saving-surgery-on-baby
     
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    4 December 2022

    Stanford Dr Jay Bhattacharya, "Lockdowns Were a Mistake".

    Jay Bhattacharya is a professor of medicine, of Economics, and of Health Research Policy at Stanford University, and the director of Stanford's Center for Demography and Economics of Health and Aging.

     
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    This point cannot be overstated. The ongoing direct AND indirect causes of death due to the world’s idiotic Covid response will continue to rise.

    Let’s all be careful that the sheep don’t try to discredit the indirect causes.
     
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    @L-u-c-y

    We have all made a grave mistake. At this time, I implore you to take this thread down and maybe for good measure the entire site because it is supporting the anti-vaccination movement and all of this is the real cause of the side effects from the vaccine!!.


    You see, this new paper on the NIH website at https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9629406/
    has finally figured out where all of the side-effects from the vaccine are coming from. It’s not from the vaccine itself, but rather from the mental stress that our ilk are causing in millions of innocent people who want to be vaccinated but are so worried about the misinformation we are spreading that when they do get their vaccine (if they even do) they are experiencing vasoconstriction and arterial constriction of the blood vessels which is the real cause of these side effects.

    I for one feel horrible for thinking that the experimental untested vaccine from noble and honorable companies like Pfizer and pushed by people of the highest integrity like Dr. Fauci and Bill Gates was the cause of these side effects, when in fact, it was me, and people like me all this time. I for one will now be running out to get all four shots at once with no fear. I advise you all to do the same and stop harming people by scaring them into not getting the vaccine and causing them to be getting the vaccine in fear.



    Covid 19 vaccines and the misinterpretation of perceived side effects clarity on the safety of vaccines

    In the era of Covid 19 and mass vaccination programs, the anti-vaccination movement across the world is currently at an all-time high. Much of this anti-vaccination sentiment could be attributed to the alleged side effects that are perpetuated across social media from anti-vaccination groups.


    Fear mongering and misinformation being peddled by people with no scientific training to terrorise people into staying unvaccinated is not just causing people to remain susceptible to viral outbreaks, but could also be causing more side effects seen in the vaccination process. This brief review will offer data that may demonstrate that misinformation perpetuated by the anti-vaccination movement may be causing more deaths and side effects from any vaccine.


    A mini review of published literature has been conducted and found that mental stress clearly causes vasoconstriction and arterial constriction of the blood vessels. Therefore, if subjects are panicked, concerned, stressed or scared of the vaccination, their arteries will constrict and become smaller in and around the time of receiving the vaccine. This biological mechanism (the constriction of veins, arteries and vessels under mental stress) is the most likely cause for where there has been blood clots, strokes, heart attacks, dizziness, fainting, blurred vision, loss of smell and taste that may have been experienced shortly after vaccine administration. The extreme mental stress of the patient could most likely be attributed to the fear mongering and scare tactics used by various anti-vaccination groups.
     
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    Great post. And your sense of humor was well done.

    I’m reminded of a South Park scene where someone calls Mr. Towelie a “towel”.

    And Towlie replies, “No, yer a towel!”

     
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    Thank you very much for your links, but we've all seen them 100 times.

    We've probably seen them more times than you have.

    They have been pummelled into us in the papers and on the TV as much as they have been pummelled into you.

    They aren't going to change our minds.

    I could show you 100's of studies from Harvard, and Stanford and Oxford that prove our points, but you won't be interested in seeing them.

    The difference is you don't have to see our studies, but we can't look at mainstream media without seeing yours.

    We have seen both sides of the argument, you have only seen one.

    The media has only allowed you to see one side of the story, that's why it enrages you when you see our posts.
     
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    TRUTH!!!
     
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    Background Information:

    One Year of "15 Days to Flatten the Curve"

    "On March 16, 2020, one year ago today, President Donald Trump announced a fifteen-day effort to "slow the spread" of COVID-19. State and local officials quickly ordered citizens to stay at home, and we were assured this was a short-term, temporary situation to ensure capacity in our hospitals." ​

    My Comment:

    As the following article discloses, people in the US started staying home before state governments told them to stay home. People were scared into staying home, based on news reports, especially news out of Europe.

    So, it isn't necessarily "all" the government's fault. News agencies know fear glues people to their TV, radios, and computers, and is good for advertising revenue. Let no crises go to waste!

    I recall in the early days I found something along a highway and called the business it belonged to see if they wanted to send someone by to pick it up. They told me they didn't know if they could, they had laid off all their employees the week prior. It was a tourism business. I know the library was still open at the time, so the hard lockdowns hadn't taken place yet.

    I didn't support the government lockdowns, but they may have been a mute point. If you have no customers or staff, you have to close down. I know I was one of the last customers at a cafe before they shutdown, having almost no customers that day.

    From May 8, 2020:

    Americans Didn’t Wait For Their Governors To Tell Them To Stay Home Because Of COVID-19


    "But, at least on the front end of this crisis, Americans weren’t deciding what to do based on politics. Americans living in red states appear to have taken the crisis plenty seriously; data shows that residents there were staying home well before their governors issued stay-at-home orders.

    Cuebiq, a private data company, assessed the movement of people via GPS-enabled mobile devices across the U.S. If you look at movement data in a cross-section of states President Trump won in the southeast in 2016 — Tennessee, Georgia, Louisiana, North Carolina, South Carolina and Kentucky — 23 percent of people were staying home on average during the first week of March. That proportion jumped to 47 percent a month later across these six states.

    If defying social distancing orders were really a political statement, you’d think that the southeast would be a hotbed for dissent. Yet people in the six states we examined changed their behavior around mid-March, before the states’ official stay-at-home orders. In fact, about 90 percent of the total change between early March and mid-April had occurred in the week before the stay-at-home orders were passed in each state."
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