Covid-19 and Life

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    The outcome would have been the same without any vaccination.
     
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    Something of a throwaway, but a thought hit - that means Denmark was 82.75% (roughly) vaccinated.
    Remember the Georgia Guide stones talked of a 90% population reduction...
    And the goal for "Fully Vaccinated" was 90%.

    More and more, the conspiracists seem to have been correct, to the point that now, mere coincidences are suspect...
     
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    I like this because this is me too. I was blind to these things before COVID. I couldn't have told you any "conspiracy theories" nor could I tell you who was a Dem or a Republican. Now my eyes are open and I can usually tell someone's political leanings within a few mins of talking to them about innocuous topics. I am more of a centrist, but contrary to the public messaging and liberal belief, I find conservatives to be much more tolerant of freedoms and choices. Some people may debate me on that, especially if they want to start screaming about abortion rights (which is a topic in and of itself), but I have not known a conservative to defriend a liberal, but the other way around has been witnessed by me on several occasions now - including personally (and not because of any reason other than finding out my beliefs differed from theirs). Anyway, I think this has opened up many people's eyes and even after the Plandemic, we need to continue to fight the good fight to get people to stop being blind to these things.
     
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    I wish the Georgia Guidestones had not been blown up. We need people to be aware of these views - especially when they differ from our beliefs.
     
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    Excellent commentary. Thank you for writing it. We’ve devolved as a society where disagreement must attach itself to rejection and hatred. And while many are guilty, the political left has been far worse at this.
     
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    THE ESTEEMED LITTLE ELF SAYS SCHOOL CLOSURES
    WERE WORTH IT

    The Elf said yesterday that shutting down schools during the Chinese Coronavirus Plandemic was worthwhile.

    “I believe so for a number of reasons,” The Elf, who is the longtime director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases and a lockdown proponent, said on Sept. 22 at the Texas Tribune Festival.

    The lying piece of shit claimed that the harsh measures imposed by states and locales, backed by tyrannical federal health officials like The Elf, were necessary because hospitals were being “overrun.”



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    https://www.theepochtimes.com/i-believe-so-fauci-says-school-closures-were-worth-it_4751118.html
     
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    Chief Executive of Pfizer has had it twice in a couple of months.

    Amazing that I'm unvaccinated and never get it.

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    “... the virus is still with us.”

    MUSIC TO HIS EARS. I bet he just loves the smell of virus and money in the morning.
     
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    Out of curiosity I visited the CDC website and looked at some data graphically.

    I'm not sure what I was expecting to see exactly, but I'm not seeing what I was expecting. I mean, if millions of people were/are vaccinated, myself included, shouldn't this data and graphs be different from what we see here?

    I'm not drawing any conclusions, simply making an observation. I am left wondering!!!

    Cumulative Cases and Deaths:

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    Daily Trend in Deaths and Total Cumulative Vaccinations:

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    Trend in Total Cases and Total Cumulative Vaccinations:

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    Daily Tests and Total Cumulative Vaccinations:

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    Is the change in cases and deaths more the result of the virus mutating than the vaccination(s)? I have heard that it is normal for viruses of this nature to become more infectious but less deadly over time.
     
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    That’s the question being asked by the hopelessly partisan left wing rag / mag, The Atlantic.

    The report in The Atlantic published today is not shocking in its content, (although the story is tragic ... we have been discussing it in this thread for some time). What is shocking is that The Atlantic is FINALLY publishing factual reports on the dangers of the vaccines that have been pimped by The Esteemed Little Elf and his BIG PHARMA Lords and Masters.

    Is this a turning point by the leftist Covidian Cultists? Do they know things are about to get bad ... really, really bad?

    In any event, Dr. Michael Golden, a top immunologist in Belgium, noticed his cancer spread significantly after he received a booster shot last year. What follows is a brief excerpt from the very disturbing article:

    On September 22 of last year, Michel Goldman, a Belgian immunologist and one of Europe’s best-known champions of medical research, walked into a clinic near his house, rolled up his sleeve, and had a booster shot delivered to his arm. He knew he’d need it more than most.


    Just a few weeks earlier, Michel, 67, had been to see his younger brother, Serge, the head of nuclear medicine at the hospital of the Université Libre de Bruxelles, where both men are professors. Michel was having night sweats, and he could feel swollen lymph nodes in his neck, so his brother brought him in for a full-body CT scan. When the images came through to Serge’s computer they revealed a smattering of inky spots, bunched near Michel’s left armpit and running up along his neck. It was cancer of the immune system—lymphoma.

    Given his own area of expertise, Michel understood this meant he’d soon be immunocompromised by chemotherapy. With another winter on the way—and perhaps another wave of SARS-CoV-2 infections—that meant he had just a narrow window of opportunity in which his body would respond in full to COVID vaccination. Having received two doses of Pfizer the prior spring, Michel quickly went to get his third. If he was about to spend months absorbing poison as he tried to beat a deadly cancer, at least he’d have the most protection possible from the pandemic.

    Within a few days, though, Michel was somehow feeling even worse. His night sweats got much more intense, and he found himself—quite out of character—taking afternoon naps. Most worryingly, his lymph nodes were even more swollen than before. He conferred with Serge again, and they set up another body scan for September 30, six days before Michel was scheduled to start his cancer treatment. Once again he sat in the radiology waiting room while his brother waited for the pictures to appear on his computer.

    Serge’s bushy eyebrows furrowed when he spoke with Michel after having seen the scans. (“I will always remember his face, it was just incredible,” Michel told me.) The pictures showed a brand-new barrage of cancer lesions—so many spots that it looked like someone had set off fireworks inside Michel’s body. More than that, the lesions were now prominent on both sides of the body, with new clusters blooming in Michel’s right armpit in particular, and along the right side of his neck.

    When Michel’s hematologist saw the scan, she told him to report directly to the nearest hospital pharmacy. He’d have to start on steroid pills right away, she told him. Such a swift progression for lymphoma in just three weeks was highly unusual…”

    See:
    https://www.theatlantic.com/science...covid-vaccine-booster-lymphoma-cancer/671308/









     
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    More chart porn! ;-)

    Daily Trends in Number of Cases and New Patients Admitted to Hospital

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    Daily Trends in Number of Cases and Deaths

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    The disease became less deadly naturally, treatment methods became better, AND/OR vaccinations built up our immunity, or the last spike in deaths would have been significantly higher.

    The first strain was much more deadly, relative to later death rates.

    When the virus first appeared I heard the mortality rate was 2%, and I thought to myself, "No Big deal," but then when I considered 2% of the US population, that is more than 40,000 deaths in a short period of death, and an even greater number of hospitalizations.

    Comparison of random headlines that resulted from a search for timeline of lockdowns:

    Jan 19, 2021 - New Study Indicates Lockdowns Didn't Slow the Spread of Covid-19

    Apr 1, 2021 - Lockdowns Do Help Slow the Spread of COVID-19 - Healthline

    I didn't read articles, but guess which one was "fact checked?"

    These charts are pretty, but be careful of drawing conclusions from them. They don't compare vaccinated vz unvaccinated patients.

    As I've mentioned prior, and as the article @Fit To Be Tied mentions, if your immune system is compromised, a vaccination is less likely to be effective, as prior studies of flu vaccination of the elderly found.

    The government does a lot of things to make the general population to believe things, either they are or are NOT safe.
     
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    This really IS a tragic story. Loaded with irony.

    And what to make of The Atlantic going in this direction? An apology of sorts? A true awakening?

    I’ve an oncologist/hematologist friend. He has yet to admit anything is going on. I’ve no doubt that there is. I only wonder what’s going on in his head.

    And he states that he’s unusually busy these days......
     
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    Thank you for sharing this info as well as your cautionary note. I would like to add that so much chicanery exists in the data collection that we can’t trust much analysis at all any more. I’m afraid we are left to use our own experience and trust our own judgement. What a shame. At a time when we SHOULD be able to rely heavily on the experts, it’s clear we cannot.
     
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    Since this thread (and several of you in particular) have sort of become my advisory panel on the plandemic, I’d like to hear your brief view on where this is all heading.

    Will we see a massive die-off? Will governments continue to crumble? Did the world go too far and is irreparable? It will all get better soon? Please comment.

    I personally feel we’ve caused too much damage. It’s gonna take a generation to fix—IF we can stomach the effort required.
     
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    No quick fix ... especially if governments continue to push, persuade and cajole people into getting that new booster. The seeds of destruction have been planted. If one of the goals was to rid the world of a “lot of useless eaters” then they are on their way to succeeding. No one really knows what the long term effects of this experimental gene therapy will be ... other than a lot of “unexplained” sudden deaths and head-scratching increases in “excess deaths.” To paraphrase Nancy Reagan, “ ... Just Say No ...”
     
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    Governments all around the world are cracking down in free speech, and the tech companies are collaborating with them.

    Is used to be fine to have a different opinion, but it seems that will be illegal, or at least illegal to mention it.

    Anything that they don't agree with is now disinformation and misinformation.

    They are getting into very very dangerous territory.
     
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    I was more asleep than awake, obviously, when I did "the math" this morning.

    Two percent of 330,000,000 Americans is 6,600,000 people.

    I have no idea where that 40,000 number came from, but all morning it was bothering me. Always double check your work!

    More than 1,000,000 Americans have died from COVID, which cold math works out to 0.3%.
     
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    The following isn't for the faint of heart, enter at your own risk. I've made these observations on the fly, so...

    You don't need to be a rocket scientist to figure out humans are harmful to the current, or should I say, prior, ecosystem of the planet, even if you overlook "climate change."

    If you are relying on solar and wind power, with both only available intermittently, mass industrial production, or computer computation, simply isn't possible, except for a select few, the 1% mentioned in "The Green New Deal," who would still be able to fly in a jet.

    Back before petroleum produced power, most humans were for the most farmers or hunter gatherers, i.e. pre-industrial.

    All the monetary systems have been greatly distorted by massive amounts of money printing over the past decade, which is now coming to an end, because of huge amounts of inflation. If you can't afford to buy food...

    So...

    Lets hope humans are more humane than they typically are!

    While there may be pockets of political strive, food shortages may drive the greatest amount of migration, which will increase food shortages and strive.

    You can stock up on food, but you can't realistically protect it, not when the military comes knocking with a tank or helicopter gunship.

    I'm not a religious man, but lets pray things don't become truly bad.

    Most Americans, myself included, don't know how or have the means of being self sufficient, nor is there enough land and readily available resources to sustain us all.

    Meanwhile, our politicians are up to their usual childish antics, or keeping us sidetracks with plenty of B.S.. When we go to the polls, we have to decide which liar to vote for, because humans will NOT vote for anyone who tells the truth, just like during student council elections.

    Yes, please pray! And be kind to your neighborhood...for as long as possible.
     
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    They haven't, they have died with 28 days of a positive test, and the tests can be 93% false positives.

    They even put gunshot deaths down as a covid death if they have a positive test.
     
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    Thank you for the heartfelt summary. You reflect a lot of my thoughts.
     
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    Jeez....I gotta agree.
     
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    Current story from a friend, expect massive die-off in about 5 months. Assorted causes.
    And he's not really a conspiracy type, so - I'd wager he's not WRONG, even if not right. (I.E., might be longer, might have enough hardy people around, might be different "Vaccines" - I found one report of a nurse claiming the serial numbers told you if it was a saline placebo, an actual inoculation, or cancer causing chemicals, but that's unsubstantiated, so... Who knows? Maybe? )

    Related to the barcode question, I drove a family member to a dispensary today - they scanned our IDs. Modern version of the 4473, no doubt - the database they aren't allowed to have, they're not building it...

    Which makes the whole "conspiracy" more and more likely.
    Anyone else find it funny the UN passed a resolution that there is no secret cabal controlling the world...? ( for a chuckle... Or maybe not.)
     
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    Stand and deliver -
    Or fall forever.

    They're coming either way...
     
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