Covid-19 and Life

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    #3228 L-u-c-y, Jul 25, 2022
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    The human centipede look is making a comeback. :eek:

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    The mass hysteria is the key to power.
    Power is the real goal.

    Like a bad Dom who wants a slave unable to think for themselves, constantly gaslights, contradicts reality, changes the rules to ensure punishment, punishes without cause, then lets major offenses slide... Nothing is SUPPOSED to make sense, as the point is to make the submissive question all aspects of reality, to create "learned helplessness."
    AKA, The Great Reset, basically.
     
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    Isn't it amazing how the "#resist"-ance is the one deciding what is and is not true?
    Almost like they're running the show...
     
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    You make a good point about the aged.....I've personally witnessed that even moving and elderly person into another room at the nursing home can be enough stress to cause them to die.

    I also like that you offer a different perspective and also did your best to support your point. We NEED alternative viewpoints with thoughtful people adding rigor to the discussion.

    That said, I still feel the evidence is overwhelming that these shots are bad news. I'd hesitate to broad brush and say "This means, don't single out the COVID vaccine."

    Time seems to be bringing things into sharper and sharper focus as keeping secrets gets harder and harder. It's not looking good for the shots. I personally blame the people (governments and pharma and doctors) involved.
     
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    In December of 2019 I was exposed to Chinese tourists for about two hours on a crowded bus. Soon after I had a very odd "cold or flu". Severe fatigue. It was some bug I never had before. In retrospect, I know it was Covid. 1. I had my blood checked for antibodies in order to visit my mother in a nursing home. (no idea how that mattered, but they wanted to know) 2. I caught the disease again about two months ago. Similar symptoms, but VERY mild.

    And no, not vaxxed.

    There's no doubt in my mind that Covid was around long before the lock-downs and hysteria.
     
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    ‘Safe And Effective’
    Fully Vaxxed And Boosted Democrap Senator Joe Manchin Tests Positive For Chinese Coronavirus
    Thousands of workers across the United States faced job losses as The Demented One’s administration, states, cities and private companies tyrannically forced them to comply with vaccine mandates.

    Students were forced to comply with the mandates in order to attend school.

    Hospitals even refused to treat the sick and denied life saving transplants if patients did not show proof of vaccination.

    Months later, it became apparent the experimental injections do nothing to prevent the transmission of the coronavirus.

    One lawmaker after another, who touted Chinese Coronavirus vaccine efficacy, has tested positive for Chinese Coronavirus after getting fully vaccinated and boosted - including The Demented Grand Poobah himself - Sleepy, Creepy, Crazy, Perverted Uncle Joe.

    Now, Sen. Joe Manchin, (D-W.Va), tested positive for Chinese Coronavirus on Monday, despite being “fully vaccinated and boosted.

    “This morning I tested positive for COVID-19,” Manchin announced on Monday morning. “I am fully vaccinated and boosted and am experiencing symptoms. I will isolate and follow CDC guidelines as I continue to work remotely to serve West Virginians.”

    No doubt he’s sure glad the "vaccine" worked as promised.

    The experimental jabs have killed more people than any vaccine in history, according to the Center for Disease Control and Prevention’s Vaccine Adverse Events Report:


    “ ... SAFE and EFFECTIVE ...”

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    See:
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    Here's another "fun" one to intermingle within our conversations of statistics.
    SPOILER - It's a video montage of world leaders proclaiming the importance of vaccination, getting vaccinated and then announcing they have Covid.

    https://twitter.com/i/status/1550804429267402753
     
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    THE ESTEEMED LITTLE ELF DOUBLES DOWN ON
    “I AM SCIENCE”

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    The Elf Regrets Not Pushing For More Stringent Chinese Coronavirus Restrictions, Says Americans Should Wear Masks In “Schools, Places of Work”
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    The Elf on Monday regretted not pushing for more stringent Chinese Coronavirus restrictions during an appearance on The Hill’s “Rising” with hosts Robby Soave and Batya Ungar-Sargon.

    We know now, 2-and-a-half years later that anywhere from 50%-60% of the transmission occurred from someone without symptoms – either someone who will never get symptoms or someone who is in the pre-symptomatic stage,” The Elf said.

    Had we known that then, the insidious nature of spread in the community would have been much more of an alarm and there would have been much, much more stringent restrictions in the sense of very, very encouraging people to wear masks, physical distancing or what have you,” The Elf went on to say.



    The Elf also said Americans should wear masks in “schools, places of work” and any place “that brings people together in a closed environment.”

    The Elf flip-flopped and lied for over a year to the American public about the seriousness of the China Virus and his background funding the Chinese virology lab and the origins of the virus.


    He also lied to the American public about the success of the safe drug hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) in treating the virus. Hundreds of thousands of Americans died when HCQ was available but banned by The Elf and his evil minions at the CDC from Chinese Coronavirus patients.

    Moreover, recall that the twisted Elf also flip-flopped on face diaper-wearing several times throughout the pandemic:


    On March, 8 2020 — The Elf advised healthy Americans against wearing face diapers.

    In April 2020 — His evil minions at the CDC said Americans should be wearing Face-diapers for Chinese Coronavirus.

    In May 2020 — The Elf and the New England Journal of Medicine have admitted that face diapers are little more than symbols. - Virtue signaling.


    On January 25, 2021 — The Elf then told healthy Americans to wear to face diapers instead of one!

    And then one week later…

    On January 31, 2021 —The Elf backtracked on that insane idea of wearing multiple face diapers.


    HE’S NOT CALLED DR. FLIP-FLOP FOR NOTHING!
     
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    Chinese Coronavirus Jabs Appear To Impact Both Male and Female Fertility
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    An expert warns that there is credible evidence that the Chinese Coronavirus shots may cross-react with syncytin and reproductive genes in sperm, ova and placenta in ways that might impair reproductive outcomes. ‘We could potentially be sterilizing an entire generation.’

    • The first COVID shots rolled out in December 2020, and it didn’t take long before doctors and scientists started warning of possible reproductive effects, as the jab may cross-react with syncytin and reproductive genes in sperm, ova and placenta in ways that might impair reproduction
    • According to one recent investigation, 42% of women with regular menstrual cycles said they bled more heavily than usual after vaccination; 39% of those on gender-affirming hormone treatments reported breakthrough bleeding, as did 71% of women on long-acting contraceptives and 66% of postmenopausal women
    • Other recent research has found the Pfizer COVID jab impairs semen concentration and motile count in men for about three months
    • Miscarriages, fetal deaths and stillbirths have also risen after the rollout of the COVID shots. In November 2021, Lions Gate Hospital in North Vancouver, British Columbia (BC), delivered 13 stillborn babies in a 24-hour period, and all of the mothers had received the COVID jab
    • Many countries are now reporting sudden declines in live birth rates, including Germany, the U.K., Taiwan, Hungary and Sweden. In the five countries with the highest COVID jab uptake, fertility has dropped by an average of 15.2%, whereas the five countries with the lowest COVID jab uptake have seen an average decline of just 4.66%
    The first COVID shots rolled out in December 2020, and it didn’t take long before doctors and scientists started warning of possible reproductive effects.

    Among them were Janci Chunn Lindsay, Ph.D., director of toxicology and molecular biology for Toxicology Support Services LLC, who in April 2021 submitted a public comment1 to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP), highlighting the high potential for adverse effects on fertility.

    See:
    https://www.theepochtimes.com/covid-jabs-impact-both-male-and-female-fertility_4619827.html



     
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    FORMER CDC DIRECTOR ROBERT REDFIELD REJECTS THE ESTEEMED LITTLE ELF ‘S CLAIMS THAT IT IS MORE LIKELY THE CHINESE CORONAVIRUS ORIGINATED NATURALLY
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    When asked about The Elf’s recent comments that he still believes the virus occurred naturally on Monday, Redfield told Fox News that he still suspects The Chinese Coronavirus emerged “from the laboratory” and “had to be educated in the laboratory to gain the efficient human-to-human transmission capability that it has.”

    It seems somehow he didn’t get The Elf’s memo to the effect, “... I AM SCIENCE ...”

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    2014 article from The Guardian.

    Today we found out that Tamiflu doesn't work so well after all. Roche, the drug company behind it, withheld vital information on its clinical trials for half a decade, but the Cochrane Collaboration, a global not-for-profit organisation of 14,000 academics, finally obtained all the information. Putting the evidence together, it has found that Tamiflu has little or no impact on complications of flu infection, such as pneumonia.

    That is a scandal because the UK government spent £0.5bn stockpiling this drug in the hope that it would help prevent serious side-effects from flu infection. But the bigger scandal is that Roche broke no law by withholding vital information on how well its drug works. In fact, the methods and results of clinical trials on the drugs we use today are still routinely and legally being withheld from doctors, researchers and patients. It is simple bad luck for Roche that Tamiflu became, arbitrarily, the poster child for the missing-data story.

    And it is a great poster child. The battle over Tamiflu perfectly illustrates the need for full transparency around clinical trials, the importance of access to obscure documentation, and the failure of the regulatory system. Crucially, it is also an illustration of how science, at its best, is built on transparency and openness to criticism, because the saga of the Cochrane Tamiflu review began with a simple online comment.

    In 2009, there was widespread concern about a new flu pandemic, and billions were being spent stockpiling Tamiflu around the world. Because of this, the UK and Australian governments specifically asked the Cochrane Collaboration to update its earlier reviews on the drug. Cochrane reviews are the gold-standard in medicine: they summarise all the data on a given treatment, and they are in a constant review cycle, because evidence changes over time as new trials are published. This should have been a pretty everyday piece of work: the previous review, in 2008, had found some evidence that Tamiflu does, indeed, reduce the rate of complications such as pneumonia. But then a Japanese paediatrician called Keiji Hayashi left a comment that would trigger a revolution in our understanding of how evidence-based medicine should work. This wasn't in a publication, or even a letter: it was a simple online comment, posted informally underneath the Tamiflu review on the Cochrane website, almost like a blog comment.

    Cochrane had summarised the data from all the trials, explained Hayashi, but its positive conclusion was driven by data from just one of the papers it cited: an industry-funded summary of 10 previous trials, led by an author called Kaiser. From these 10 trials, only two had ever been published in the scientific literature. For the remaining eight, the only available information on the methods used came from the brief summary in this secondary source, created by industry. That's not reliable enough.

    This is science at its best. The Cochrane review is readily accessible online; it explains transparently the methods by which it looked for trials, and then analysed them, so any informed reader can pull the review apart, and understand where the conclusions came from. Cochrane provides an easy way for readers to raise criticisms. And, crucially, these criticisms did not fall on deaf ears. Dr Tom Jefferson is the head of the Cochrane respiratory group, and the lead author on the 2008 review. He realised immediately that he had made a mistake in blindly trusting the Kaiser data. He said so, without defensiveness, and then set about getting the information needed.

    First, the Cochrane researchers wrote to the authors of the Kaiser paper. By reply, they were told that this team no longer had the files: they should contact Roche. Here the problems began. Roche said it would hand over some information, but the Cochrane reviewers would need to sign a confidentiality agreement. This was tricky: Cochrane reviews are built around showing their working, but Roche's proposed contract would require them to keep the information behind their reasoning secret from readers. More than this, the contract said they were not allowed to discuss the terms of their secrecy agreement, or publicly acknowledge that it even existed. Roche was demanding a secret contract, with secret terms, requiring secrecy about the methods and results of trials, in a discussion about the safety and efficacy of a drug that has been taken by hundreds of thousands of people around the world, and on which governments had spent billions. Roche's demand, worryingly, is not unusual. At this point, many in medicine would either acquiesce, or give up. Jefferson asked Roche for clarification about why the contract was necessary. He never received a reply.

    Then, in October 2009, the company changed tack. It would like to hand over the data, it explained, but another academic review on Tamiflu was being conducted elsewhere. Roche had given this other group the study reports, so Cochrane couldn't have them. This was a non-sequitur: there is no reason why many groups should not all work on the same question. In fact, since replication is the cornerstone of good science, this would be actively desirable.

    Then, one week later, unannounced, Roche sent seven documents, each around a dozen pages long. These contained excerpts of internal company documents on each of the clinical trials in the Kaiser meta-analysis. It was a start, but nothing like the information Cochrane needed to assess the benefits, or the rate of adverse events, or fully to understand the design of the trials.

    At the same time, it was rapidly becoming clear that there were odd inconsistencies in the information on this drug. Crucially, different organisations around the world had drawn vastly different conclusions about its effectiveness. The US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) said it gave no benefits on complications such as pneumonia, while the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said it did. The Japanese regulator made no claim for complications, but the European Medicines Agency (EMA) said there was a benefit. There are only two explanations for this, and both can only be resolved by full transparency. Either these organisations saw different data, in which case we need to build a collective list, add up all the trials, and work out the effects of the drug overall. Or this is a close call, and there is reasonable disagreement on how to interpret the trials, in which case we need full access to their methods and results, for an informed public debate in the medical academic community.

    This is particularly important, since there can often be shortcomings in the design of a clinical trial, which mean it is no longer a fair test of which treatment is best. We now know this was the case in many of the Tamiflu trials, where, for example, participants were sometimes very unrepresentative of real-world patients. Similarly, in trials described as "double blinded" – where neither doctor nor patient should be able to tell whether they're getting a placebo or the real drug – the active and placebo pills were different colours. Even more oddly, in almost all Tamiflu trials, it seems a diagnosis of pneumonia was measured by patients' self-reporting: many researchers would have expected a clear diagnostic algorithm, perhaps a chest x-ray, at least.

    Since the Cochrane team were still being denied the information needed to spot these flaws, they decided to exclude all this data from their analysis, leaving the review in limbo. It was published in December 2009, with a note explaining their reasoning, and a small flurry of activity followed. Roche posted their brief excerpts online, and committed to make full study reports available. For four years, they then failed to do so.

    During this period, the global medical academic community began to realise that the brief, published academic papers on trials – which we have relied on for many years – can be incomplete, and even misleading. Much more detail is available in a clinical study report (CSR), the intermediate document that stands between the raw data and a journal article: the precise plan for analysing the data statistically, detailed descriptions of adverse events, and so on.

    By 2009, Roche had shared just small portions of the CSRs, but even this was enough to see there were problems. For example, looking at the two papers out of 10 in the Kaiser review that were published, one said: "There were no drug-related serious adverse events", and the other doesn't mention adverse events. But in the CSR documents shared on these same two studies, 10 serious adverse events were listed, of which three are classified as being possibly related to Tamiflu.

    By setting out all the known trials side by side, the researchers were able to identify peculiar discrepancies: for example, the largest "phase three" trial – one of the large trials that are done to get a drug on to the market – was never published, and is rarely mentioned in regulatory documents.

    The chase continued, and it exemplifies the attitude of industry towards transparency. In June 2010, Roche told Cochrane it was sorry, but it had thought they already had what they wanted. In July, it announced that it was worried about patient confidentiality. By now, Roche had been refusing to publish the study reports for a year. Suddenly, it began to raise odd personal concerns. It claimed that some Cochrane researchers had made untrue statements about the drug, and about the company, but refused to say who, or what, or where. "Certain members of Cochrane Group," it said, "are unlikely to approach the review with the independence that is both necessary and justified." This is hard to credit, but even if true, it should be irrelevant: bad science is often published, and is shot down in public, in academic journals, by people with good arguments. This is how science works. No company or researcher should be allowed to choose who has access to trial data. Still Roche refused to hand over the study reports.

    Then Roche complained that the Cochrane reviewers had begun to copy in journalists, including me, on their emails when responding to Roche staff. At the same time, the company was raising the broken arguments that are eerily familiar to anyone who has followed the campaign for greater trials transparency. Key among these was one that cuts to the core of the culture war between evidence-based medicine, and the older "eminence-based medicine" that we are supposed to have left behind. It is simply not the job of academics to make these decisions about benefit and risk, said Roche, it is the job of regulators.

    This argument fails on two fronts. First, as with many other drugs, it now seems that not even the regulators had seen all the information on all the trials. But more than that, regulators miss things. Many of the most notable problems with medicines over the past few years – with the arthritis drug Vioxx; with the diabetes drug rosiglitazone, marketed as Avandia; and with the evidence base for Tamiflu – weren't spotted primarily by regulators, but rather by independent doctors and academics. Regulators don't miss things because they are corrupt, or incompetent. They miss things because detecting signals of risk and benefit in reviews of clinical trials is a difficult business and so, like all difficult questions in science, it benefits from having many eyes on the problem.

    While the battle for access to Tamiflu trials has gone on, the world of medicine has begun to shift, albeit at a painful pace, with the European Ombudsman and several British select committees joining the push for transparency. The AllTrials campaign, which I co-founded last year, now has the support of almost all medical and academic professional bodies in the UK, and many more worldwide, as well as more than 100 patient groups, and the drug company GSK. We have seen new codes of conduct, and European legislation, proposing improvements in access: all riddled with loopholes, but improvements nonetheless. Crucially, withholding data has become a headline issue, and much less defensible.

    Last year, in the context of this wider shift, under ceaseless questions from Cochrane and the British Medical Journal, after half a decade, Roche finally gave Cochrane the information it needed.

    So does Tamiflu work? From the Cochrane analysis – fully public – Tamiflu does not reduce the number of hospitalisations. There wasn't enough data to see if it reduces the number of deaths. It does reduce the number of self-reported, unverified cases of pneumonia, but when you look at the five trials with a detailed diagnostic form for pneumonia, there is no significant benefit. It might help prevent flu symptoms, but not asymptomatic spread, and the evidence here is mixed. It will take a few hours off the duration of your flu symptoms. But all this comes at a significant cost of side-effects. Since percentages are hard to visualise, we can make those numbers more tangible by taking the figures from the Cochrane review, and applying them. For example, if a million people take Tamiflu in a pandemic, 45,000 will experience vomiting, 31,000 will experience headache and 11,000 will have psychiatric side-effects. Remember, though, that those figures all assume we are only giving Tamiflu to a million people: if things kick off, we have stockpiled enough for 80% of the population. That's quite a lot of vomit.

    Roche has issued a press release saying it contests these conclusions, but giving no reasons: so now we can finally let science begin. It can shoot down the details of the Cochrane review – I hope it will – and we will edge towards the truth. This is what science looks like. Roche also denies being dragged to transparency, and says it simply didn't know how to respond to Cochrane. This, again, speaks to the pace of change. I have no idea why it was withholding information: but I rather suspect it was simply because that's what people have always done, and sharing it was a hassle, requiring new norms to be developed. That's reassuring and depressing at the same time.

    Should we have spent half a billion on this drug? That's a tricky question. If you picture yourself in a bunker, watching a catastrophic pandemic unfold, confronting the end of human civilisation, you could probably persuade yourself that Tamiflu might be worth buying anyway, even knowing the risks and benefits. But that final clause is the key. We often choose to use treatments in medicine, knowing that they have limited benefit, and significant side-effects: but we make an informed decision, balancing the risks and benefits for ourselves.

    And in any case, that £500m is the tip of the iceberg. Tamiflu is a side show, the one place where a single team of dogged academics said "enough" and the company caved in. But the results of clinical trials are still being routinely and legally withheld on the medicines we use today and nothing about a final answer on Tamiflu will help plug this gaping hole.

    More importantly, for all that there is progress, so far we have only sentiment, and half measures. None of the changes to European legislation or codes of conduct get us access to the information we need, because they all refer only to new trials, so they share a loophole that excludes – remarkably – all the trials on all the medicines we use today, and will continue to use for decades. To take one concrete and topical example: they wouldn't have made a blind bit of difference on Tamiflu. We have seen voluntary pledges for greater transparency from many individual companies – Johnson & Johnson, Roche, GSK, now Roche, and more – which are welcome, but similar promises have been given before, and then reversed a few years later.

    This is a pivotal moment in the history of medicine. Trials transparency is finally on the agenda, and this may be our only opportunity to fix it in a decade. We cannot make informed decisions about which treatment is best while information about clinical trials is routinely and legally withheld from doctors, researchers, and patients. Anyone who stands in the way of transparency is exposing patients to avoidable harm. We need regulators, legislators, and professional bodies to demand full transparency. We need clear audit on what information is missing, and who is withholding it.

    Finally, more than anything – because culture shift will be as powerful as legislation – we need to do something even more difficult. We need to praise, encourage, and support the companies and individuals who are beginning to do the right thing. This now includes Roche. And so, paradoxically, after everything you have read above, with the outrage fresh in your mind, on the day when it feels harder than any other, I hope you will join me in saying: Bravo, Roche. Now let's do better.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2014/apr/10/tamiflu-saga-drug-trials-big-pharma
     
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    Incredible that this was ever allowed to happen.

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    APPROVED AND NON FDA APPROVED CHINESE CORONAVIRUS TREATMENTS

    Since the onset of the Chinese Coronavirus pandemic two years ago, hundreds of studies have examined the efficacy of dozens of drugs and other compounds in treating the disease. While the research is still ongoing, a sizable number of treatments have shown promise. A growing number of them have been authorized by the U.S. government, though virtually all of those approved sport hefty price tags. FOLLOW THE MONEY!

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    LA COUNTY ABANDONS PLAN TO REIMPOSE FACE DIAPER MANDATE AFTER MULTIPLE CITIES
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    Today Los Angeles County has abandoned its plan to reimpose an indoor face diaper mandate that was anticipated to begin on Friday as Chinese Coronavirus cases and hospitalizations stabilize. Public Health Director Barbara Ferrer, (who is not a medical doctor), made the announcement during a livestreamed meeting. Ahead of today’s decision, officials from several cities, [Long Beach, Beverly Hills, Pasadena and El Segundo], said they will not enforce such a rule if it is implemented.
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    https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/...ty-mask-mandate-coronavirus-covid-19/2951363/

     
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    SLEEPY, CREEPY, CRAZY, PERVERTED UNCLE JOE ADMINISTRATION TO UNVEIL REFORMULATED BOOSTER JABS IN SEPTEMBER

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    According to The New York Slimes, (so you know it must be true), The Demented One’s administration is aiming for a mid-September rollout for reformulated Pfizer and Moderna Chinese Coronavirus booster shots, after both companies promised they would be able to deliver doses by then. The new versions are expected to perform better against then now-dominant (yet far more mild than Delta) BA.5 Omicron subvariant, though the Slimes notes that data on the reformulated shots is still preliminary.

    To accomplish the rollout, the Department of Health and Human Services made an advance purchase of 105 million doses of Pfizer's reformulated offering for $3.2 billion, with a possible fall deployment in mind. A similar agreement with Moderna is expected soon. CHA-CHING! (And How Much For The Big Guy?)

    This madness will not stop until there are prosecutions for crimes against humanity!

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