Chastity cages and Christianity

Discussion in 'Chastity and orgasm denial' started by Guest 3944, May 13, 2021.

Random Thread
  1. captivatedbyher
    Offline

    captivatedbyher romantic want to be

    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2018
    Messages:
    222
    Likes Received:
    307
    Trophy Points:
    73
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Farmer
    Location: (Country, Region - and perhaps even City?):
    Northern NY
    Local Time:
    2:02 PM
    opps, that was a mistake.

    Hmm, the only reason we talk about the dismemberment passage is because it is extreme. Sin calls for extreme action after many "ways of escape" have been turned down.
    It's not how it starts but how it ends! I'm thankful God made this fun, God knows I'm like a kid that won't do what needs to get done unless I'm bribed. I'm on the same page in regards to it being "iffy", but anything can be iffy. What are you doing with your chastity play that makes it iffy?

    Agreed! We can do nothing without Him. It's kind of pathetic that for me to clean up my sexual self and build a better marriage God had to make this fun with a chastity cage.
     
  2. captivatedbyher
    Offline

    captivatedbyher romantic want to be

    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2018
    Messages:
    222
    Likes Received:
    307
    Trophy Points:
    73
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Farmer
    Location: (Country, Region - and perhaps even City?):
    Northern NY
    Local Time:
    2:02 PM
    People get bashful and blush when they do something a bit outside the norm, and pissed off when others don't follow a script. Jesus ate with sinners, traveled through Samaria, did good on the Sabbath, and look what happened to Him!

    I think your doing it right, but where are you headed with this?
     
    Lazlo Toth likes this.
  3. IB-Chaste
    Online

    IB-Chaste Chastity Superman.

    Joined:
    Jun 20, 2022
    Messages:
    2,870
    Likes Received:
    5,606
    Trophy Points:
    143
    Gender:
    Male
    Local Time:
    6:02 PM
    Putting this out there…

    Can you be Christian and not believe the Bible?

    Asking for a friend
     
    captivatedbyher likes this.
  4. captivatedbyher
    Offline

    captivatedbyher romantic want to be

    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2018
    Messages:
    222
    Likes Received:
    307
    Trophy Points:
    73
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Farmer
    Location: (Country, Region - and perhaps even City?):
    Northern NY
    Local Time:
    2:02 PM
    Can you be a fish and live on land?
    Can I be your friend even if we disagree?
     
  5. IB-Chaste
    Online

    IB-Chaste Chastity Superman.

    Joined:
    Jun 20, 2022
    Messages:
    2,870
    Likes Received:
    5,606
    Trophy Points:
    143
    Gender:
    Male
    Local Time:
    6:02 PM
    So as the Northern Snakehead fish can live on land, you’re saying yes?

    It wasn’t a stupid question. I think a lot about religion at times. Something eats me up though, the Bible was written by men and so is open to scrutiny.
    Creationism for me is almost ridiculous (sorry if that offends) but could that just be a story to help understanding… or does not believing every passage ensure you are not in fact Christian at all?

    Obviously, a site for male chastity is where i come to for my insight
     
  6. captivatedbyher
    Offline

    captivatedbyher romantic want to be

    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2018
    Messages:
    222
    Likes Received:
    307
    Trophy Points:
    73
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Farmer
    Location: (Country, Region - and perhaps even City?):
    Northern NY
    Local Time:
    2:02 PM
    You have added gas to this tread for twenty more pages! I LOVE the question! I think it is important to acknowledge the difference between not believing everything in the bible and rejecting something in the bible. God works with unbelief.
    No offence taken, but why is it so ridiculous? I view it as the only logical option.
     
  7. Lazlo Toth
    Offline

    Lazlo Toth C/D on the TomAllen-Rectrix scale: 9/9

    Joined:
    Apr 7, 2019
    Messages:
    2,830
    Likes Received:
    4,733
    Trophy Points:
    143
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Contractor
    Location: (Country, Region - and perhaps even City?):
    Upstate South Carolina
    Local Time:
    11:02 AM
    Short answer IB: The Bible is the inspired Word of God. It’s our guidebook because we trust that inspiration. It’s not a cookbook. Until I digested the whole thing (took me a very long time) I didn’t see it as anything more than a book.

    Yes, you can be a Christian without reading it. A Christian believes that God came to Earth as man to redeem ALL who believe in Him (Jesus) from sin and grant eternal life.

    If you believe that. Your life will change.

    I humbly suggest simply asking Him who he is. If your heart is open, God will take you where you need to go.
     
    cj0434 and Fit To Be Tied like this.
  8. Lazlo Toth
    Offline

    Lazlo Toth C/D on the TomAllen-Rectrix scale: 9/9

    Joined:
    Apr 7, 2019
    Messages:
    2,830
    Likes Received:
    4,733
    Trophy Points:
    143
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Contractor
    Location: (Country, Region - and perhaps even City?):
    Upstate South Carolina
    Local Time:
    11:02 AM
    I did not attempt to create an analogy. I said as much. I was illustrating my opinion why you feel others are not understanding you. Christians do not agree with your premise.
     
  9. peqe75
    Offline

    peqe75 New member

    Joined:
    Dec 2, 2020
    Messages:
    9
    Likes Received:
    7
    Trophy Points:
    13
    Gender:
    Male
    Local Time:
    7:02 PM
    I think God wants us to give ourselves to our wife, to love her and be faithful to our wife.

    The question is, does the chastity cage help us better surrender to it or does it take us away from that goal?

    The answer we had to that question answers your question.

    The feeling of submission can be channeled towards that surrender/love without conditions or it can be channeled towards the selfish search for one's own pleasure.... It is in our hands...

    It's like atomic energy, which can power a city or destroy it if used in a bomb. BDSM, keyholder chastity, submission...they don't have to be intrinsically bad or intrinsically good. It depends on whether they bring us closer or further away from the goal that God seems to tell us to aspire to.
     
    KyDave, cj0434 and Lazlo Toth like this.
  10. Jay Sub
    Offline

    Jay Sub Married with Cage

    Joined:
    Jul 21, 2022
    Messages:
    1,790
    Likes Received:
    2,253
    Trophy Points:
    143
    Gender:
    Male
    Location: (Country, Region - and perhaps even City?):
    England - South-East
    Local Time:
    6:02 PM
    There is much beauty in nature, so much so as to give the appearance of design, especially on the surface. However, look beneath the skin and you find imperfection. The recurrent laryngeal nerve being one example, the fact that our brain turns an upside down image into one that is useful another.
     
    littleguy3 likes this.
  11. Jay Sub
    Offline

    Jay Sub Married with Cage

    Joined:
    Jul 21, 2022
    Messages:
    1,790
    Likes Received:
    2,253
    Trophy Points:
    143
    Gender:
    Male
    Location: (Country, Region - and perhaps even City?):
    England - South-East
    Local Time:
    6:02 PM
    Why is chastity play iffy? I don't see that in itself it can be.
     
  12. Jay Sub
    Offline

    Jay Sub Married with Cage

    Joined:
    Jul 21, 2022
    Messages:
    1,790
    Likes Received:
    2,253
    Trophy Points:
    143
    Gender:
    Male
    Location: (Country, Region - and perhaps even City?):
    England - South-East
    Local Time:
    6:02 PM
    In pondering we hope to come to our truth. You may begin fooling yourself, but the journey weeds out the foolishness hopefully.
     
    Lazlo Toth likes this.
  13. Jay Sub
    Offline

    Jay Sub Married with Cage

    Joined:
    Jul 21, 2022
    Messages:
    1,790
    Likes Received:
    2,253
    Trophy Points:
    143
    Gender:
    Male
    Location: (Country, Region - and perhaps even City?):
    England - South-East
    Local Time:
    6:02 PM
    This doesn't make sense to me. Please explain further.
     
    littleguy3 likes this.
  14. GoodBoy1122
    Offline

    GoodBoy1122 Active member

    Joined:
    Feb 28, 2019
    Messages:
    91
    Likes Received:
    266
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Gender:
    Male
    Local Time:
    2:02 PM
    I need to jump in on this thread. As @Lazlo Toth said, you just need to accept Jesus as your savior who died for our original sin. Regarding the Bible, it depends on what Christian sect you are a part of. A Fundamentalist would take the Old and New Testament literally. I was raised Catholic. In high school I had a teacher that referred to the Old Testament as a book of faith and the New Testament as a book of fact. Please nobody debate me, I’m just telling you what I was taught etc. @IB-Chaste, I think what you were getting at is that creation for example has conflicting stories in the Old Testament. Good point that it was written by man; what I think about more is the concept of the written word itself. I’m sure religion has existed since we’ve had intelligence. But before the written word, they evolved fluidly over time. Enter the written word. Some of the rules still make sense, but do they all? No sex before marriage makes sense when you get married at like 13, but how about now? Not bending on female priests, or not allowing priests to marry does that still make sense? I’m not sure. Some sects have evolved but many have not.

    Regarding the intent of this thread of chastity and Christianity: is it deviant, is it bad, the need to reconcile that I am into chastity etc?

    I can’t quote the bible, but I’ll paraphrase what I’ve been taught from a Catholic background around sex. I always asked a lot of questions on this topic mainly because I wanted to get to the formal answer on homosexuality. I kind of think this is objective, but I guess it is my subjective opinion that you’re born how you’re born. So how can it be a sin to be gay? That didn’t sit well with me. So I was taught that it turns out that it’s not a sin to be gay. Gay sex however is a sin. But wait a minute, zoom out on that. Any use of sex other than the purpose of having a child is a sin. You can only have children in wedlock so premarital sex and masturbation are both sins. They are all equal sins. So in typical Catholic faith, we’re all sinners ; ). Not supporting gay marriage doesn’t sit well with me, but this is the logic I was taught. I will say I do at least like that being gay in itself is not a sin whereas many religions see that in itself as a sin.

    With that said, let’s talk about chastity. How is this deviant, how is it bad and what do I need to reconcile? If I’m playing by the rules I was taught, I’m not masturbating and all sexual activity is solely through and dependent on my wife. When all cylinders are firing for us on the chastity front (which is almost all of the time), I feel like I’m perpetually falling in love with her. This is a great thing. If you’re a male with normal sex drive, you have a feral animal inside of you. It’s natural. Maybe think of it that god gave you this feral animal – it is good. For me, chastity directs that feral animal into loving my wife any way possible. Ok, maybe I can think of some things that don’t thrill me about myself: I still watch porn, I have a ghost Instagram account where I ogle hot women, a ghost tumblr account where I look for chastity and FMLR memes and my mind races with sexual energy frequently. Again though, that’s the feral animal that god gave me and I’ve channeled all of it on my wife.

    Frankly, I’m bummed that I can’t share and suggest this openly with our friends and couples in the vanilla world. None of my friends know and none of my wife's friends know. My wife will point out lack of intimacy in some of our friends where they seem like the relationship is struggling. No references to chastity, just point out some of the leading indicators that things aren’t going well for a couple. Not that chastity is required but she places a great value on the bond that intimacy brings. Anyway, the audience here is such a wide gamete. Sure things can get kinky one way or the other, but they don't have to. It’s just not jerking off and letting whatever comes out of that cascade into your partner. One of my friends recently was telling me things aren't the same with his wife. In the interest of spreading the good word, I talked about semen retention and used that as my guard rails. I said try not jerking off for a few days and see if you look at your wife in a different way. I made reference to Taoist beliefs. He said I'm his new life coach ; ). I would have loved to share my full situation, but it just wouldn't work. I'd love to share it with my friends without having them think I’m some sort of freak which is how it would go over for me in the school / sports activity network that comes with 3 kids etc
     
  15. Jay Sub
    Offline

    Jay Sub Married with Cage

    Joined:
    Jul 21, 2022
    Messages:
    1,790
    Likes Received:
    2,253
    Trophy Points:
    143
    Gender:
    Male
    Location: (Country, Region - and perhaps even City?):
    England - South-East
    Local Time:
    6:02 PM
    Though I come from a different perspective, that is a brilliant commentary.
     
  16. Lazlo Toth
    Offline

    Lazlo Toth C/D on the TomAllen-Rectrix scale: 9/9

    Joined:
    Apr 7, 2019
    Messages:
    2,830
    Likes Received:
    4,733
    Trophy Points:
    143
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Contractor
    Location: (Country, Region - and perhaps even City?):
    Upstate South Carolina
    Local Time:
    11:02 AM
    Hi Cap,

    I’m suggesting that we can easily sexualize the chastity device itself. Tom Allan makes a strong case that chastity tubes are just sex toys.
     
  17. Lazlo Toth
    Offline

    Lazlo Toth C/D on the TomAllen-Rectrix scale: 9/9

    Joined:
    Apr 7, 2019
    Messages:
    2,830
    Likes Received:
    4,733
    Trophy Points:
    143
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Contractor
    Location: (Country, Region - and perhaps even City?):
    Upstate South Carolina
    Local Time:
    11:02 AM
    Thank you for this explanation.
     
    littleguy3 likes this.
  18. Lazlo Toth
    Offline

    Lazlo Toth C/D on the TomAllen-Rectrix scale: 9/9

    Joined:
    Apr 7, 2019
    Messages:
    2,830
    Likes Received:
    4,733
    Trophy Points:
    143
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Contractor
    Location: (Country, Region - and perhaps even City?):
    Upstate South Carolina
    Local Time:
    11:02 AM
    Fair question Jay. I’d have to agree it’s (chasity) is not inherently iffy.

    But there DOES seem to be things closely attached to it like cuckoldry that are clearly over the Godly line.

    So I stand corrected.
     
  19. Lazlo Toth
    Offline

    Lazlo Toth C/D on the TomAllen-Rectrix scale: 9/9

    Joined:
    Apr 7, 2019
    Messages:
    2,830
    Likes Received:
    4,733
    Trophy Points:
    143
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Contractor
    Location: (Country, Region - and perhaps even City?):
    Upstate South Carolina
    Local Time:
    11:02 AM
    @GoodBoy1122, I just love clear thinkers. Great post. Thanks for adding nicely to the party.

    I think your point about intent is a good one.
     
  20. peqe75
    Offline

    peqe75 New member

    Joined:
    Dec 2, 2020
    Messages:
    9
    Likes Received:
    7
    Trophy Points:
    13
    Gender:
    Male
    Local Time:
    7:02 PM
    I quite agree with you. If chastity, like me, helps you feel more for your wife and want to love her more and more, I think it's positive.

    I am also Catholic. I was taught before I got married that the end of sex in Catholic marriage was twofold:

    1) the one you already mentioned: reproductive
    2) Unitive: unite the couple

    (Neither is more important than the other. There are couples who cannot have children and that does not annul the catholic marriage if they had the intention and desire to have them!)

    If chastity helps the unity of the couple, I think it's on the right track. But beware! without chastity it leads to paths that separate the couple, then chastity becomes a tool of sin.

    That would be my conclusion: BDSM, submission, chastity... are neither good nor bad in and of themselves. It's like nuclear energy you can use it to light and heat a city or you can use it to destroy the same city.

    As Jesus Christ said "if an eye scandalizes you tear it out" The eye is good, it serves to see, we need it to know where we are going, but if it begins to serve you to get away from God, to get away from others, to get away from your wife. .. be careful: buy yourself a very opaque patch!
     
    littleguy3 and Lazlo Toth like this.
  21. littleguy3
    Offline

    littleguy3 Adoring husband

    Joined:
    Apr 26, 2022
    Messages:
    2,606
    Likes Received:
    3,519
    Trophy Points:
    143
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Bondservant to my wife
    Location: (Country, Region - and perhaps even City?):
    USA - Virginia
    Local Time:
    2:02 PM
    That would be extremely difficult to conceive since 99.9% of what is recorded about Christ is found in the Bible. There are a few other non-biblical sources from that time period that mention him, but there is not enough descriptive content to develop an understanding about what he taught.
     
    Lazlo Toth likes this.
  22. littleguy3
    Offline

    littleguy3 Adoring husband

    Joined:
    Apr 26, 2022
    Messages:
    2,606
    Likes Received:
    3,519
    Trophy Points:
    143
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Bondservant to my wife
    Location: (Country, Region - and perhaps even City?):
    USA - Virginia
    Local Time:
    2:02 PM
    I think what you are saying is that chastity has been popularized for purposes that aren't good like for the degradation of one human being by another or for selfish pleasure of one over another. I'm not sure who initially invented the first chastity device or what his or her purpose was but that doesn't make it inherently good or bad. It's what we do with it. It may trigger some desire or arousal within us that, if used in the context of marriage to benefit our spouse, is a good thing. Is what you are concerned about that it's triggering a dopamine rush in us that we are using for our own selfish pleasure?
     
    Lazlo Toth likes this.
  23. littleguy3
    Offline

    littleguy3 Adoring husband

    Joined:
    Apr 26, 2022
    Messages:
    2,606
    Likes Received:
    3,519
    Trophy Points:
    143
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Bondservant to my wife
    Location: (Country, Region - and perhaps even City?):
    USA - Virginia
    Local Time:
    2:02 PM
    God is not limited in what He can do (Omnipotence). But as you say He is perfect and can't act in contradiction to His moral character. But we understand that He is spirit and has created space, time and matter out of nothing (what science calls the Big Bang). Logic dictates that this creative event had to have a cause. The Christian believes that this cause was God because of the convincing appearance of Jesus Christ who demonstrated God to us in a physical form that we can understand and relate to. Jesus also confirmed the Bible as God's revelation to man in written form.

    What you seem to be trying to say is that this cause that created the universe out of nothing can't be God because the universe is not perfect. But that doesn't follow any proven scientific or philosophical maxim.
     
    Lazlo Toth likes this.
  24. Lazlo Toth
    Offline

    Lazlo Toth C/D on the TomAllen-Rectrix scale: 9/9

    Joined:
    Apr 7, 2019
    Messages:
    2,830
    Likes Received:
    4,733
    Trophy Points:
    143
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Contractor
    Location: (Country, Region - and perhaps even City?):
    Upstate South Carolina
    Local Time:
    11:02 AM
    Thanks for helping to phrase the topic clearly.

    I’m saying that chastity CAN be used in a manner that is very sinful. Therefore, we should be careful and honest about our intentions with it.
     
    littleguy3 likes this.
  25. Lazlo Toth
    Offline

    Lazlo Toth C/D on the TomAllen-Rectrix scale: 9/9

    Joined:
    Apr 7, 2019
    Messages:
    2,830
    Likes Received:
    4,733
    Trophy Points:
    143
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Contractor
    Location: (Country, Region - and perhaps even City?):
    Upstate South Carolina
    Local Time:
    11:02 AM
    I fully agree. My answer to IB is that it’s POSSIBLE to learn and accept the Gospel via other means such as personal teaching in a verbal fashion.

    I feel IB has a valid concern in that the Bible isn’t a casual undertaking. I can’t tell you how many times I attempted to plow through it as an academic exercise rather than a spiritual one with an open heart. But once I changed my approach those pages came to life.

    We Christians need to do a better job sometimes. Telling folks to “read the book” is not always the best idea. Our job is to share the good news. Unfiltered. But in a manner that helps others to see God’s love for them through Christ.

    Thank you again for doing such a great job helping to bring clarity to the topic.
     
  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
    Dismiss Notice