There is quite a read ahead, but the actual questions are at the end, if you wish to skip the backstory. This draws heavily from @sixofthebest thread about Inescapability. https://www.chastitymansion.com/forums/index.php?threads/inescapability.31770/ I am not trying to hijack that thread, but I feel the same way and there are some excellent points of discussion for those who haven't seen. I was wondering about what the process is for determining someone's sincerity in entering into a chastity / FLR. I, personally, feel the need to prove myself. I feel that in this community I have quite the pyramid to climb. The honor system doesn't work for me. Not that there is anything wrong with it. I am envious of those which the system does work for them. I wish I could be like that, but I lack self control, and I know this about myself, much to my shame. But for me there is a difference between a deterrent and an impossibility. I know myself, I know that I would get to the point where I would cheat if I could. Please don't hate me or think less of me, I just know that after I reached the limit of my self control I would cave in if I could. If I could pull out, I know I would. So I made sure that I can't cave in. In order to achieve fulfillment on my end I had to know that there is no way out and no escape until released. That it what led to me getting my PA. But even after that process I was still frustrated by failure in that I could still orgasm in whatever Chinese knock off device I tried, plastic or metal, even with every conceivable PA fixing. A magic wand was all it would take. And although that orgasm wasn't particularly satisfying, it was enough to cheat the system and gain some satisfaction. So, I continued searching. I posted in the intro section about how I made my account to grab a Rigid 5 that was perfect for me. (One good thing about the chinese devices is that it zeroed in on my sizing. To @remyruff : You are my hero. Thanks to you, I finally have what I was craving. See the attached picture for the aftermath of 1 hour with the wand. No orgasm. 1 hour of female worship videos, t&d, ruined orgasms and nothing to show for it, except that poor wand. . . It was worth every penny and everything I had ever hoped for in a device. But now to my actual questions. . . Both the topic I linked to above and reading the posts from @L-u-c-y have inspired me to this. Although directed at KHs I do want to know what everyone thinks. None of these questions are meant to try to create some sort of "divide" between the community. And none of these are meant to convey that sincerity or conviction is lacking if one doesn't have these. Not at all. I am actually pretty terrified that these may be seen as a thinly veiled attempt to distinguish those like me apart from those not like me. Nothing could be farther from the truth. I am not questioning anyone's loyalty or dedication. I will trust all until you give me a reason not to trust you . . . . perhaps that is how you as a KH feel, also. Again, I am not trying to assess "worth" just the initial appearance. 1. Is there a tiered echelon of sincerity and conviction that KHs see when considering a sub initially? Are those that are device-less and on the honor system at the bottom, followed by those with a generic device, followed by those with a custom device, and at the top of the pyramid those who are pierced? (Full acknowledgement goes to the point that having all of these does not actually mean a sub is sincere, anyone can be flaky) 2. What should someone do to show you their level of commitment and conviction? 3. Can someone compensate with enough sincerity and effort to the relationship over time to overcome not having the initial appearance of dedication? 4. Do any of the above things even matter to you in the first place? Perhaps my just asking these questions means that I still have much to learn about the community. If I am going about this the wrong way please let me know. I hope no one feels excluded, I swear that I am not any type of elitist. I like to think that I am a uniter and not a divider on this, bringing all together for this discussion (should one arise from this topic). I truly believe that everyone here is working towards something better. I also hope that I am not the only one that gains some insight. Thank you for your time. Thoughts?