A loving couple, both love PiV, but he wants to be locked, and unlocked by her. She isn't interested

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    We love PiV, oral, whatever one could call vanilla sex. We'd been in a monogameous relationship for more than 3 decades. And me, male, wants to add enforced chastity into our life. Which means not to stop fucking, licking, kissing, comforting, cuddling, talkin,... I simply want to be in a chastity device when we are not to make love, to remember her, to feel being a sexually fulfilled man, when at work, in subway, on a bike, walking among beautiful girls in the city. I want to be closed by her, as mine keyholder, I mean in the meantime, while she doesn't need to be penetrated by her/our penis or carressed other way... I want to remember her love at work, on a bus,..., and be reminded by grip of the ring and the cage, that it belongs to Her, all the time, that it's her penis, that myself, I'm Her..... I love that feeling and chastity device is a fantastic invention giving me a lasting mark of my status as her man.

    In our relationship it had been me that brought spicy additions to what is a loving vanilla sex life. She accepted "novelties" with some hesitation in many cases, with reluctance or rejection in most cases of my fetishes revealed...

    But chastity device is something different from latex dress. It's very important to me, since first try. It's about butterflies on a walk in a shopping mall, about delight in cleaning up the house, pleasure of cuddling to her after fuck, a unique feeling with early morning erection... It's a fetish uncomparable to any other. Much more than a fetish add-on. A way of life. A way of love, a touch of Her brought with me to the world to remember my lady.

    After few years, we are in a stage of chastity device tolerance. She knows that I wear it sometimes (more often than she expects, I think), that it brings me a lot of pleasure. She tolerates it, but doesn't agree to learn more about it, she is not interested. Kkeyholding seems to be not for us.

    Am I a unique case or rather a very typical one?
     
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    There are certainly a number of us in your situation, yes. Varying degrees of acceptance of sorts to down right rejection whilst others might now be wishing they had never mentioned chastity!! :eek:
     
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    Not as long into it (mere weeks) and sort of very similar. I wear my cage 6 days out of 7. Our sex life rotates around weekends (about the only time we have time) so I get unlocked Saturday morning before PIV, locked up again Sunday morning after whatever Sunday brings.

    She plays along a bit when the mood suits, but for the most part just goes along with "my thing". Its not that shes vanilla, she can be quite kinky and when in the mood, very sexually secure, but sex is down her list of priorities and not something she actively thinks about a great deal.

    I have been trying to get her to read a couple of guides on keyholding over the last month or so, but there are always roadblocks thrown up as to why she hasn't gotten to it, its her way of deflecting / deferring when theres something she doesn't want to do.

    Im not pushing, I keep wearing my device, I guess you could say voluntarily at the moment and I try and be attentive to her needs (not just sexual, but household and daily life stuff) and when it comes to removal of the cage for maintenance (shaving), sport or play, I ask permission, hoping that she will start to take more interest and then maybe take charge more.

    If she doesn't, I don't know what will happen. I doubt I'd go years waiting for her to participate, but for now I like the sensation of being caged. Only time will tell I guess......
     
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    Thanks a lot for sharing your experience. we had more time this days and we are now both very close and actively sharing our interest in sex, that results in sex almost every evening. That is different, it raises my hopes for sharing chastity with her, but because I'm fulfilled sexually, I don't feel alone.
    When I remember days like the ones you're now in, I woul rather concentrate on pleasure of cuddles, talk sex, shared as much as possible with no mention of chastity cage, instead building intimacy by all other means that you both share and like. If she is not interested in chastity she would rather not get into it by reminding her "duties" of KH, that she never was interested in taking up. When I hope for my lady to share ch.with me, this hope is in shared love, intimacy, compassion, brought by more time for her, and less concentration on my own needs. When man discover and fulfils more of partners needs, when she will feel fulfilled in love with him, he could expect to be questioned about his needs, and receive more acceptance for chastity play or even lifestyle from her. That's wha I hope for, even if chance for it is bleak, it is the only one;)
     
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    #5 elias, Jun 22, 2020
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    Your issue is not unique. I also brought chastity around 18 months ago in our relationship and she was rather shocked. Although accepting my wish to be come chasted, my Love showed initially a significant reluctance to my cage. I guess there were a lot of things she did not understood, once I brought her "my message".

    After this, I started to focus on changing my "traditional" behaviour - abandon masturbation and porn - and we "slided" into orgasm denial first. I asked her to take over full control over my orgasms, to which she agreed. This was much less "confrontating" than discussing about my cage. She really liked excercising on me to let me stay denied during PIV and pleasuring her without orgasming myself first. During that period the frequency of our intimate moments increased and simultaneously I started her to explain about my feelings and elaborated on my experiences of "mood swings" after orgasm. Once she recognised this phenomena, she was convinced that denial and stay chasted is something we both like and needed in one way or another. This process took more than a year. Now, I am allowed to orgasm every 4-6 weeks and I wear my cage every day 16/24. During the night my Love prefers unrestricted access to her property, but after a release I am allowed to wear my cage 24/24 to "build up the chemicals in my brain a bit quicker". Now, we can discuss everything about staying denied and chasted, and she becomes much more familar with it.

    What I have learned is that the entire process should have started with myself first, rather then confrontating her with a cage - and all the things I read from the www. This seems to be a less optimal start. Once stopping masturbation and watching porn, I felt gradually a change in my behaviour and a significant different kind of interest towards her. I could have done this also without bring her my message about the cage first. Sex and orgasming in the "traditional way", became now less relevant for me. Treating and pampering her became paramount.

    So, perhaps, keep "chastity and cage" for a while out of the discussion and concetrate on the mental aspects first. If you have sex all days like you describe, just ask her to keep you denied and let her enjoy orgasming only. Tell her that you still want to pleasure her, but at the same time you want to learn from your own brain and body. In the mean time make sure you forget about "possible old habbits" yourself. Then, you both should evaluate the results after two weeks...she might be amazed on what this can do to her own benefits and how a man can change!.
     
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    Thanks a lot for sharing your experience. This helps me a lot to assess and realize specific mutual needs in our real sexual life, that is absolutely satisfying for both of us, with chastity already introduced, with her being tolerant to this form of my pleasures. So, we could stay in our present status of unilateral use of male chastity without keyholding and O control, which is OK for us.

    But man always wants to conquer new mountains, trying to reach horizon. That's my case to try new experiences, which in my sexual life includes trying out keyholding, dreaming about passing to her control over my penis. And she is not a dominatrix, we are partners everyday, including sex.
     
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    It might be the untipical in our case that we are both not interested in limiting my orgasms to, as #Elias put it only one every 3-4 weeks. We want mutual orgasms, point of my dream is to be caged by her, when we not make live, to be locked when I go alone or together to the city, for dance party, shopping or biking. Pleasure of being kept under testicles, with penis encased is reminding me moments when she pulls my testicles down and we have PiV sex.

    Chastity is a way of memorizing sex with my lady 24/24 and 7/7. Chastity is a sign of my devotion to please her and be pleased by her. It's a reminder that when I appreciate beautiful girls in the street, she stays with me by the touch of her hand at the key licking my penis and testicles. That is an amazing idea. Orgasm denial for a long term doesn't make sense for me, although I would accept it, as well, if that would've been her wish.

    That approach to chastity doesn't dominate forums like aChM. Which doesn't diminish my appreciation for this website, and it's beautiful owner.:)
     
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    Ask her if you can keep a key in her purse so you can lock up when she gets home or you are both home an you just lock up in the morning and let it evolve from there. She would have no responsibilities with any of it and would hardly ever see it.
     
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    #10 elias, Jun 22, 2020
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    And that is exactly were I think staying denied should help you. Chastity, but denial in particular, learns you to climb a mountain without putting yourself at first. Your Queen is mandatory to be served, not the goal of yourself….So, your Queen may reach plenty of orgasms whilst you reach only a minimum at her wish and instructions. And staying denied is a huge mountain to climb...
    If this is what you want to achieve, you will need your Queen isn't it? I am definitly not a master in teaching here, but what helped me enormously to get my Love onboard, is to forget about myself and start to learn that a e.g. a foot pampering massage to my Love is even satisfying a lot....

    I can only share my experiences with you, and conclude for myself that chastity is not equal to sex and sex is not chastity. It is all about your ability to put your Queen always at first and forget about yourself...
     
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    That's nice idea. Thanks. a lot.
     
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    I would be delighted to give her power to decide on it, yes, but don't expect her to deny me and use this power eccessively. And for now she doesn't like this idea of denial and inequality. Me as well, which is contradictory to my interest in KH. Which reveals that myself, I'm as well quite vanilla, rather looking for a spice to our couple sex, not to change our lifestyle for real chastity.
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    I got your point, in that case you both should enjoy playing and see what is comming across. Have fun!
     
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    My wife and I also do not do denial. But we find a lot of value from chastity due to the increase in communication and intimacy. Also it is a lot of fun. The only right way to do this is the way that works for you both.
     
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    your Queen may reach plenty of orgasms whilst you reach only a minimum at her wish
    I agree, but as I see, there are not so many of people like us, sharing intimacy with male's wish to be caged for mutual pleasure, with her command between PiV and other sexual intimate acts with a lady's exclusive decision of penis release. Majority here seems to be into long term chastity and orgasm denial, a lifestyle that I don't understand.

    Is it how female control of penis is to develop when introduction of her to keyholding succeeds? Is it every man destiny to be long term denied, when she catches it?
     
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    Not in my opinion. Everybody involved has a say in this. If it is not something you are interested in you should simply say so. There is another post going on where a Keyholder is asking people what their limits are and what their safeword is. I thought about it and my safeword is 'No'. If there was something I don't want, I would talk about it with my wife.
     
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    But one's sexual interests do evolve. What was unthinkable two decades ago is now amongst our preferred pleasures. So, I don't wish to be denied PiV long term, but who knows? If she will one day get into KH?
     
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    It sounds like you are looking for the same things from the chastity cage as me and my wife. She also had a very hard time getting used to it now she makes sure I am locked even though we have PIV often and we are in no way a dom/sub relationship. I think discussions around your first post are a great start plus I will add a few suggestions. I definitely have a jerking issue that hinders my interest and performance. I changed the phrase to asking if she will manage the cage and my penis because I am not good at it and not use the word control. I said similarly to how I am better managing finances. We also call it my cage not chastity device. We also discussed how she had done "duty sex" many times because she knows my drive is stronger, even though she was obviously not in the mood. . Neither of us enjoyed that kind of sex. The most impactful discussion that really changed everything is when I told her if she helps me manage my urges by keeping me locked until she is really ready that being inside her feels like the first time we made love every time. She was glowing after that comment and she finally admitted that she could tell how I felt and she really enjoyed sex plus it never feels like it is something she ever has to do if not in the mood. We never set time limits but on occasion it has gone for weeks when things in life get crazy and I never pressure her to take it off.
     
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    Thanks for sharing ypur experience. It's not exactly my case. I do not masturbate often, this is not a problem. We do have very similar libido now, at our age ;). It's more an estetical obstacle, with my lady disk=like for such complicated way of life, and dislike for penis in a cage. But I don/t stop trying to ask her fo some form of keyholding.
     
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    I understand that it is not exactly the same but I figured out my wives issues and ways to show her the benefits. I think you need to figure these things in your relationship. Why does she feel it is complicated? What is the reason for her dislike? How can you show her a benefit? I think you need to have some long discussions on your needs and more importantly on her needs and figure out if she will try it to improve your relationship.
     
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    Thanks for advice. She's so loving, we care for each other, have such a good time together, than a day will come in which she will enter into something more than tolerance for my strange pleasure of being self-caged.
    we were swimming today in a lake, alone, me in a holytrainer2 on, which was so pleasurable, but I didn't have mentioned it, she didn't realised it when we were embracing each other.
    I,m not to hurry up, I believe now, that a day will come for a key in her hand.
     
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    you just gave yourself the best advice, take it slow and don’t be pushy! Good luck on your journey!
     
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